KP Pashtuns in PF

[Toramana]

Yes KPK was a part of Afghanistan before the Durand Line Agreement..
Now let me ask you something

1) Was it written in the same Durand Line Agreement that Afghanistan can claim for this land? If Yes, where? Under which clause?

2) The second party with which you made that agreement isn't available? Go and ask that party to give you that land back?

3) Do you think that the current leaders in Afghanistan will be able to control the whole area? I mean they are unable to hold even the current Afghanistan so when they get the burden of all these people of KPK than what?

4) What is the guarantee that once you get this land back you won't sell it again?

5) What will be the future of all those Pakhtuns staying abroad having a Green Passport?

Let us not comment about Durand Line...Neither you nor Sahil are qualified to do that (not being learnt in international law)...

Sell it sell it ... what sell it...? Before KPK was sold, many Pashtuns have sold themselves to British even Sikhs before them...(see 1857 freedom war as how many Pashtuns sided with British against the indegenous freedom movement)...

And you yourself are TIP....Imran Khan that Punjabi...why not you be called a sell out at least in political sense...

Freedom and sovereignty are not desirable because Pashtuns for Afghanistan want it...We should seek them for our own right, self-respect, and dignity... and secure future...(assume Pashtuns of Afghanistan were not there wouldn't they be then important?) Why link it with their wishes ?...

[Gulbabo]

[QUOTE=Shehbaz Khan;391261]Yes KPK was a part of Afghanistan before the Durand Line Agreement..
Now let me ask you something

1) Was it written in the same Durand Line Agreement that Afghanistan can claim for this land? If Yes, where? Under which clause?

have u reviewed the agreement? you are speaking as if u have the document with you and it doesn't state anything of that matter.

the reason why our country is stable is because after the end of agreement, that part of the land was to be part of Afghanistan once again.... hence, motivation for pakistan's government to interfere in our political affairs.

2) The second party with which you made that agreement isn't available? Go and ask that party to give you that land back?

this is something very stupid to say. you are talking like a 13 year old child who has refuses to give back what he he owes.

3) Do you think that the current leaders in Afghanistan will be able to control the whole area? I mean they are unable to hold even the current Afghanistan so when they get the burden of all these people of KPK than what?

the current leaders of Pakistan are not capable of controlling KPK or the other parts of Pakistan either... our country is a war torn country, what is the excuse of your government? the current government doesn't represent people of Afghanistan, its a puppet and you know it very well... but they are doing far better than your government, in developing their country. before pointing fingers at others, look at urself....

4) What is the guarantee that once you get this land back you won't sell it again?

lol.. how old are you? the durand agreement was not as simple as buying and selling candies, it happened after a lot of trauma that Afghanistan has gone through. and no one can guarantee future foreign interventions.

5) What will be the future of all those Pakhtuns staying abroad having a Green Passport?

we will think about it once Loy Afghanistan is formed

[Toramana]

Toramana: The point is, our Pashtun brothers from Afghanistan are the ultimate victim of the 3 decades of war and feel alienated/'deprived(the feelings sound to me extreme)...It is natural that they are expecting from us that we cannot deliver due to our own situation and the siuation of Pashtun nation as a whole...One should be at least courteous to them...and should not come and assert ones Pakistaniyath or KPKiyath....


The Pakhtuns from KPK have helped them. I remember back when I was in school and US attacked them the zeal with which the people helped them was marvellous. Pakistan is blamed for proxy wars I never said Pakistan is a clean baby and have nothing to do with it .. But that doesn't mean that anyone loving this country Pakistan for the million reasons should be treated in such a way at this forum. If a Pakhtun can be proud American why he can't be Proud Pakistani?

An example is the following post, look at it how the reply starts by calling me a very soft nick name:

http://www.pashtunforums.com/390560-post38.html

I know very well how much did your Paki country help others...In fact, the rentier state would not exist for one decade if not for the huge amount of the Western aid it has swollved by spilling and selling Pashtun blood...

As for the green passport or proud American, the difference is, I became an American or any other "can" of my own volition unlike my status in the land of the pure (Panjab land factually) where I have been forced to....And what is that green passport ...merely a piece of paper that I can throw onto fire....On the contrary I cannot tear my Pashtun identity off myself...


Don't try to sow division...if you feel alienated here go join some Punjabi/Indic forum where you will blend well...

[Shehbaz Khan]

1. it has a date which has now expired so hence the durrand line agreement is over.

Is it written that Afghanistan can claim it back? No its not !! And if Afghanistan is so desperate about having it why Afghanistan sold this land in first place?

2. it does not matter about who made the agreement at the time, it has now run out and kp rightly belongs to afghanistan

It does matter !! If you have a deal with me and tomorow I don't exist where the deal goes lol

3. once the foriegn forces leave easily can.

Like before the foriegn forces you were able to handle? Am I right? NO!! And when will the foriegn forces leave and who will be there after them to govern the matters?

4. if we have been fighting so hard for it for so long i dont think we will "sell" it again.

May be tomorrow you wouldn't like it Than what

5. what? what has a green passport have to do with anything and what is a green passport?

A Pakistani Passport and I am talking about the thousands of Pakhtuns abroad earning a piece of bread for their family on the basis of that passport what will be their status? Will this not create a vacuum?

just to add my own points now.

durrand line was made during the british raj before your beloved pakistan even exsisted the agreement was only bound for 100 years and run out in 1993 and let me also say true pashtuns not you dont worry im talking about actual pashtuns with pashtun intrests at heart have said that they do not want this border dividing thier own people. parties on both side have clearly stated this becouse this line is what divides us pashtuns and once kp is back in afghanistan hands hey you pakistanis are more them welcome to go to karachi or whatever part of panjab you want to nd hail your 60-70 year old country

Ok the actual Pashtuns now for you I am not even a true pashtun right? Believe me have a survey Pashtuns in KPK don't even give a **** about the Loy-Afghanistan thing. The common man is too stuck, he is already busy trying to live and survive. Have a survey in KPK you will get the answer? Plus Pakhtuns of KPK in the past 60 years never accepted the party which supported this cause of Lar Aw Bar Yao Afghan in KPK. And to my surprise when finally they got the support they are not interested in this Loy Afghanistan thing now. I don't know which people are you talking about and what percentage they are in .. which support this cause.
So to make it clear you said it yourself you don't care about Pakhtuns like me and thousands like me all you care about is to have the land back not the people :P First try to win the hearts of the people you will get the land yourself

Manana !!

[Shehbaz Khan]

I know very well how much did your Paki country help others...In fact, the rentier state would not exist for one decade if not for the huge amount of the Western aid it has swollved by spilling and selling Pashtun blood...

As for the green passport or proud American, the difference is, I became an American or any other "can" of my own volition unlike my status in the land of the pure (Panjab land factually) where I have been forced to....And what is that green passport ...merely a piece of paper that I can throw onto fire....On the contrary I cannot tear my Pashtun identity of me...


Don't try to sow division...if you feel alienated here go join some Punjabi/Indic forum where you will blend well...

Fell the difference in the post to which I replied with the lines you quoted. you said that we (the common people) should help the Afghans and when I replied we did you went to Army lol isn't that a joke? Going further What about Pak Army training Afghan Army? What about the current news shared in the forum Pak Army building road link to Afghanistan? There are many things that one needs to see.
Haha again the same punjabi **** !! Don't want to counter that be happy with that thinking

[Toramana]

Is it written that Afghanistan can claim it back? No its not !! And if Afghanistan is so desperate about having it why Afghanistan sold this land in first place?


It does matter !! If you have a deal with me and tomorow I don't exist where the deal goes lol


Like before the foriegn forces you were able to handle? Am I right? NO!! And when will the foriegn forces leave and who will be there after them to govern the matters?


May be tomorrow you wouldn't like it Than what


A Pakistani Passport and I am talking about the thousands of Pakhtuns abroad earning a piece of bread for their family on the basis of that passport what will be their status? Will this not create a vacuum?



Ok the actual Pashtuns now for you I am not even a true pashtun right? Believe me have a survey Pashtuns in KPK don't even give a **** about the Loy-Afghanistan thing. The common man is too stuck, he is already busy trying to live and survive. Have a survey in KPK you will get the answer? Plus Pakhtuns of KPK in the past 60 years never accepted the party which supported this cause of Lar Aw Bar Yao Afghan in KPK. And to my surprise when finally they got the support they are not interested in this Loy Afghanistan thing now. I don't know which people are you talking about and what percentage they are in .. which support this cause.
So to make it clear you said it yourself you don't care about Pakhtuns like me and thousands like me all you care about is to have the land back not the people :P First try to win the hearts of the people you will get the land yourself

Manana !!

Who told you that ... Are you sure...? Don't you know about long-term goals and tactical politics...? The actual reason isn't people not wanting it...the real cause is Punjab's strangle hold over media, education, institutions, and other means of information combined with the ruthless suppression of people will...

[Shehbaz Khan]

^ And Punjab's hold over the people of KP. Are you sure you are not Punjab Sick? For everything you blame punjab? Tactical politics? Comeon telling the Afghan Mohajireens to leave KPK and go back to Afghanistan this is what you call tactical politics? Are you sure about it? Haha Zargiya lag soch kawa zaan ta

[Toramana]

Fell the difference in the post to which I replied with the lines you quoted. you said that we (the common people) should help the Afghans and when I replied we did you went to Army lol isn't that a joke? Going further What about Pak Army training Afghan Army? What about the current news shared in the forum Pak Army building road link to Afghanistan? There are many things that one needs to see.
Haha again the same punjabi **** !! Don't want to counter that be happy with that thinking

Yes, I know you are very happy with army-****...don't run away now...you are the ultimate symbol of "more loyal to the king than the king himself"...Even Punjabis are not that loyal to the so-called land of the pure as you want its super-hero to be...

Punjabi army should stop killing Baluchis and FATA people...instead of helping others...Right now, the pre-dominently Punjabi force is sucking the blood of its own people...(esp the oppressed nations whose resources it is plundering)...

[ScimitarXEdge]

@ BLS

because your a prime example of someone ashamed of were your from, i dont believe i represent others but i know for a fact thers millons of people i can represent for and am speaking for and yet they are not here, my question is why. sure your here but your not the people which im talking about that are absent in this afghan forum do you understand what i mean? if you even said anything positive about pakistan or even uttered anything negative about afghanistan by even a mistake do you think youd be a moderator? ovcourse not, your only a moderator because you hate pakistan and label yourself an afghan. you think alot of these afghans embrace you as their brother and dont call you an artificial punjabi looking dhaal khor behind your back.

and you think the opposite doesn't happen with KP Pakhtuns? Now I do admit Afghans tend to back bite people a bit more, BUT It's not as if KP Pakhtuns are immune

how many times I have been accused of being a "chamakoni" by Peshawaris I have lost count.

[Shehbaz Khan]

Yes, I know you are very happy with army-****...don't run away now...you are the ultimate symbol of "more loyal to the king than the king himself"...Even Punjabis are not that loyal to the so-called land of the pure as you want its super-hero to be...

Punjabi army should stop killing Baluchis and FATA people...instead of helping others...Right now, the pre-dominently Punjabi force is sucking the blood of its own people...(esp the oppressed nations whose resources it is plundering)...

Sweetheart this is where the problem lies .. Were we discussing Army? Did I say that Army never did anything wrong? NO I didn't .. I am not a person to run away .. So re-read my posts from the vary first one .. And than you may be something will click you.. Plus stop blaming Punjab for everything

[Toramana]

^ And Punjab's hold over the people of KP. Are you sure you are not Punjab Sick? For everything you blame punjab? Tactical politics? Comeon telling the Afghan Mohajireens to leave KPK and go back to Afghanistan this is what you call tactical politics? Are you sure about it? Haha Zargiya lag soch kawa zaan ta

One thing I am very much sure about...that you are some kind of admixture of non-Pashtun and may be Pashtun blood (which is not wrong as long as you declare it for us to know where the center of your political gravity lies...not at all any thing wrong about that)...

Rest, I know ANP walla..so don't try to be their spokeperson or public relationing officer...

[ScimitarXEdge]

debate his points, not your paranoid delusions of what you think his actual ethnic background is

Mister Indo Prakrit speaking Toramana

[Shehbaz Khan]

and you think the opposite doesn't happen with KP Pakhtuns? Now I do admit Afghans tend to back bite people a bit more, BUT It's not as if KP Pakhtuns are immune

how many times I have been accused of being a "chamakoni" by Peshawaris I have lost count.

I never said that to you !!

[Shehbaz Khan]

One thing I am very much sure about...that you are some kind of admixture of non-Pashtun and may be Pashtun blood (which is not wrong as long as you declare it for us to know where the center of your political gravity lies...not at all any thing wrong about that)...

Rest, I know ANP walla..so don't try to be their spokeperson or public relationing officer...

Haha, No I am not!!

You know that than why you countered my comment when I spoke about it so

[ScimitarXEdge]

I never said that to you !!

Lol I didn't say everyone does that, but it has happened; I'm just telling Manzerah it's a two way street, each side being manipulated by the power dynamics of their respective Nations

on one end in Afghanistan it's the Mohmadzayan elite who wish they were Persian, in Pakistan it's the Pakhtuns who wish they were apart of some Urdu speaking Mughal Dynasty.