KP Pashtuns in PF

[Manzareh]

you are right stick to the ABC cuz thats your level and thats where you will stay.

here is your history in short pants fighting the Afghan tribesmen in Qabayel

YouTube - British Empire's War In The North Western Fronteir

your a stupid little angry kid that talks absolute crap and can never debate in a streight line, everysingle one of your conversations tend to go bent, someone will ask you something and youl give a totally unrelated answer, talking to you is like talking to a neanderthal so even if you spent your whole life on PF or youtube you wouldnt reach my level. do yourself a favour and purchase a stress-ball and if that doesnt work then swear at peoples mothers or call people kafir maybe it will make you feel better. angry kid

[graveyardofempires]

your a stupid little angry kid that talks absolute crap and can never debate in a streight line, everysingle one of your conversations tend to go bent, someone will ask you something and youl give a totally unrelated answer, talking to you is like talking to a neanderthal so even if you spent your whole life on PF or youtube you wouldnt reach my level. do yourself a favour and purchase a stress-ball and if that doesnt work then swear at peoples mothers or call people kafir maybe it will make you feel better. angry kid

hmm intersting.

how much time will it take me to have an identity crisis and abuse my ancesters,lets see......

like i said i dint swear at your mother but your boy luffy is using your mothers name to continue with his agenda.
I wont call you kafir but a hypocrite deluded moron.

Im not angey cuz i know what im talking about on the other hand you are making no sense and attempting to change history,you have a lost cause.

beat it

[Manzareh]

ok let me say something first then ask you a question
kp belonged to afghanistan before the durrand line was made so technically kp belongs to afghanistan as the durrand line expired. but that aside let me ask you

your living in the UK, your going to have kids inshallah, are they going to be british and forget thier ancestors and where they are from or are they going to be afghans and pashtuns and rember where they are from? from the way you sound its like 1. your a pakistani and 2. your kids are going to be british but i would just like to break it to you that you are afghan and so were your grandparents and thier parents etc so stop kidding yourself that your not.

listen bro il be honest with you, when people ask me what i am i say Pashtun, yes afghan means pashtun but im not saying it doesnt but i dont say afghan because afghan to alot of people means a country 'afghanistan' which i have nothing to do with, to them id be lying, i dont tell people im pakistani if they ask were swat is i say yeah its in pakistan. i tell the truth. i dont care about names or countrys i care about my people, i dont agree with mixing with persians neither do i agree with mixing with urdu/punjabi people.

[Admin Khan]

Salam Manzareh wrora,
Aside from your post consisting of false information such as there are more non Pashtuns here, etc. Not that it matters(since we are one people), the staff and the community is dominated by Pashtuns of Pashtunkhwa. so lets refrain from generalizing and making baseless assumptions.

As far as criticizing goes, we all criticize each others. lets not pull out that card. I can give out many examples of you, scaring your own people away. Take Nangialai Pashtana for example. I don't want any explanation cause that's not the point. The fact here is my brother, you are allowed to speak your mind just like anybody else. As long as you stay within our rules(which you have). Please, for the sake of Allah don't turn everything into a Afghan vs Pakistan thing. just because the majority who are from KP have different views than you doesn't mean you have to assume they are actors. BLS, Toramana, who have opposite views than you are from Pashtunkhwa, and I met them personally.

No to division.

My brother, if anyone attacks you (this goes for everyone) contact a staff member and they will take care of it.

[Nokia_Apridy]

Sahila Rora good point.....Khu da Anzor (pic) dwa (2) Makha (face) wi ...

YU MAKH (front) ta awo (back) Sha ta....

Maznrah ror dlta ror mung da KASHMIR mesal da

Rabnday SEYSAT kegey KHU HAQ AWO INSAF na rakye PF ka.......dar deep na zam

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[Manzareh]

It matters a lot. So you can lord over others and pretend to be Captain Pashtunkhwa, then sideline others as terms that are convenient for you? That is pretty "straightforward", no? It is entirely the point. If you knew where you stood, then maybe everyone could gauge where you stand...hence the point of discussion. That is why we have forums.

I will obviously come up with history, it is a political discussion. Would you rather I jump around and make things up? Maybe I should go with my gut....that is right, eh?

You still don't get it, and I doubt you ever will. It isn't about pro-afghanistan or anti-pashtunkhwa, it is about what you as an individual see as the best for your people. If you justify it, then by all means put it forward. None of us have the mandate of our people. All you need to know he was pro-Pashtun.

Just because you cannot grasp were im coming from, why assume everybody has the same understanding as yourself?? my views have been the same since my first post in PF till the last post and thats unity of my people, loving muslims but at the same time aspiring for a pashtun country with no influence from punjabis/persians as they are extincting our race. so yes it sounds pretty straight forward to me. im not pro pakistani but neither do i hate the 170 million people in pakistan. you on the otherhand dont seem as streight forward as you presume so, you come accross someone that wishes for a pashtunistan as we call it and yet at the same time have support for afghanistan which doesnt make sence as supporting afghanistan is not supporting pashtunistan, maybe you need to define your stance before commenting on other peoples positions.

now then il ask the question in the most simplest manner i'l give it a little change to make it more simpler, i hope this thread is not going to be derailed by a moderator out of all people:

Q - Why is there so little pro-pakistani pashtuns in PF when there are known to be millions around the world active on the internet.

[sahil112]

listen bro il be honest with you, when people ask me what i am i say Pashtun, yes afghan means pashtun but im not saying it doesnt but i dont say afghan because afghan to alot of people means a country 'afghanistan' which i have nothing to do with, to them id be lying, i dont tell people im pakistani if they ask were swat is i say yeah its in pakistan. i tell the truth. i dont care about names or countrys i care about my people, i dont agree with mixing with persians neither do i agree with mixing with urdu/punjabi people.

then we have no issues.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Just because you cannot grasp were im coming from, why assume everybody has the same understanding as yourself?? my views have been the same since my first post in PF till the last post and thats unity of my people, loving muslims but at the same time aspiring for a pashtun country with no influence from punjabis/persians as they are extincting our race. so yes it sounds pretty straight forward to me. im not pro pakistani but neither do i hate the 170 million people in pakistan. you on the otherhand dont seem as streight forward as you presume so, you come accross someone that wishes for a pashtunistan as we call it and yet at the same time have support for afghanistan which doesnt make sence as supporting afghanistan is not supporting pashtunistan, maybe you need to define your stance before commenting on other peoples positions.

now then il ask the question in the most simplest manner i'l give it a little change to make it more simpler, i hope this thread is not going to be derailed by a moderator out of all people:

Q - Why is there so little pro-pakistani pashtuns in PF when there are known to be millions around the world active on the internet.

lol that is the point. No one can barely grasp where you stand. You were the one who decided to speak for us all, and on top of that alleged that I was fake or the people who sided with me were. I never said I speak for millions. Didn't you read my previous post? I just clearly said I don't have mandate to speak for my people, so I speak for myself and what I perceive to be in our benefit.

Khaana to me Loy Afghanistan and Pashtunistan are the same concept, it is just down to the northern areas (which is a debate onto itself). BTW the domination of the Northerners and pakistan are two inherently different things. One is state and institution and the other one has its roots in a civil war. You have to differentiate the two. I, for one, don't hate anyone, I have yet to insult Panjabis, or sindhis or parsibaan for that matter. I focus on the institutions. That is the difference between you and I.

I am straight forward, the fact that I have been clear about my views from the very onset shows the difference and also people here know where I am from. When they have asked to meet me personally, I have not shyed away and have met them. I have nothing to hide. What you read is what you see is what you get. There are people here who can attest to it. Go ask some of the members who have met me. Go ahead...khaana da gaz ao daa maidan.

P.S. Ye there are a lot who are online, it is called facebook, you will see more there.

[Manzareh]

lol that is the point. No one can barely grasp where you stand. You were the one who decided to speak for us all, and on top of that alleged that I was fake or the people who sided with me were. I never said I speak for millions. Didn't you read my previous post? I just clearly said I don't have mandate to speak for my people, so I speak for myself and what I perceive to be in our benefit.

Khaana to me Loy Afghanistan and Pashtunistan are the same concept, it is just down to the northern areas (which is a debate onto itself). BTW the domination of the Northerners and pakistan are two inherently different things. One is state and institution and the other one has its roots in a civil war. You have to differentiate the two. I, for one, don't hate anyone, I have yet to insult Panjabis, or sindhis or parsibaan for that matter. I focus on the institutions. That is the difference between you and I.

I am straight forward, the fact that I have been clear about my views from the very onset shows the difference and also people here know where I am from. When they have asked to meet me personally, I have not shyed away and have met them. I have nothing to hide. What you read is what you see is what you get. There are people here who can attest to it. Go ask some of the members who have met me. Go ahead...khaana da gaz ao daa maidan.

P.S. Ye there are a lot who are online, it is called facebook, you will see more there.

After all that you still didnt have an answer to that question, ok they are on facebook but why not on here (which is the question) ???

first you say you have no mandate to speak for your people and then you speak for everyone in the forum by saying 'no knows were you stand' a contradiction?

[sahil112]

they are on fb becouse they are looking for a wife visa^^^

[Shehbaz Khan]

kp belonged to afghanistan before the durrand line was made so technically kp belongs to afghanistan as the durrand line expired. but that aside let me ask you

Yes KPK was a part of Afghanistan before the Durand Line Agreement..
Now let me ask you something

1) Was it written in the same Durand Line Agreement that Afghanistan can claim for this land? If Yes, where? Under which clause?

2) The second party with which you made that agreement isn't available? Go and ask that party to give you that land back?

3) Do you think that the current leaders in Afghanistan will be able to control the whole area? I mean they are unable to hold even the current Afghanistan so when they get the burden of all these people of KPK than what?

4) What is the guarantee that once you get this land back you won't sell it again?

5) What will be the future of all those Pakhtuns staying abroad having a Green Passport?

[Toramana]

After all that you still didnt have an answer to that question, ok they are on facebook but why not on here (which is the question) ???

first you say you have no mandate to speak for your people and then you speak for everyone in the forum by saying 'no knows were you stand' a contradiction?

Manzareh, what is your problem ....what do you want to prove and ultimately recommend....?

This is a Pashtun forum (a forum for Pashtun unity) and there can't be made any such distinction as this Pashtun or that Pashtun when assesing the the geographical distribution of PF Pashtun membership...I fear wth that thinking, you ultimately would reduce this forum to Durrani versus Yousafzai, Ghaljai versus Khattak....Swatay versus Paktiawall, etc...

Neither you can prove anything with regard to PF Pashtun membership nor have the exclusive right to recommend any thing ...

Rest, I myself have rejected all other identities (Pakistaniyath, Afghaniyath) except my Pashtun identity...and have no wish or desire whatsoever to be identified with or accepted as Afghan neither am feeling desperate to Kabul any time soon...

The point is, our Pashtun brothers from Afghanistan are the ultimate victim of the 3 decades of war and feel alienated/'deprived(the feelings sound to me extreme)...It is natural that they are expecting from us that we cannot deliver due to our own situation and the siuation of Pashtun nation as a whole...One should be at least courteous to them...and should not come and assert ones Pakistaniyath or KPKiyath....

[Shehbaz Khan]

Manzareh:

Sanga ye Janana

I know what are you talking about. The problem with PF is that no matter how much you love Pakhtuns and help them but if you spitted out the sentence that 'You love Pakistan' or 'You are against Loy Afghanistan' you are in the line of fire. And those telling you to hate Pakistan will be from Pakistan staying in some Western Country on the basis of a Green Passport and their family will be enjoying all the facilities provided to the people of Pakistan. This is sick, laka che pa kom taali ki khwri hum pa haghi ki ______ !!
Plus, I agree with you everyone over here comes just to make a point, just to speak his heart out, and you too silly to expect that you sitting behind a computer screen at your home are able to change the views of another person. Neither can another person sitting miles away from me will be able to hurt me through some foolish words that he will type.

So as you said you are here to learn believe me learn from those people too, and learn the fact that no matter how much differences you have with a person you should not talk that way

So just chill out buddy, love you family, your country and your people !! Work hard to make a difference

[sahil112]

Yes KPK was a part of Afghanistan before the Durand Line Agreement..
Now let me ask you something

1) Was it written in the same Durand Line Agreement that Afghanistan can claim for this land? If Yes, where? Under which clause?

2) The second party with which you made that agreement isn't available? Go and ask that party to give you that land back?

3) Do you think that the current leaders in Afghanistan will be able to control the whole area? I mean they are unable to hold even the current Afghanistan so when they get the burden of all these people of KPK than what?

4) What is the guarantee that once you get this land back you won't sell it again?

5) What will be the future of all those Pakhtuns staying abroad having a Green Passport?

1. it has a date which has now expired so hence the durrand line agreement is over.

2. it does not matter about who made the agreement at the time, it has now run out and kp rightly belongs to afghanistan

3. once the foriegn forces leave easily can.

4. if we have been fighting so hard for it for so long i dont think we will "sell" it again.

5. what? what has a green passport have to do with anything and what is a green passport?

just to add my own points now.

durrand line was made during the british raj before your beloved pakistan even exsisted the agreement was only bound for 100 years and run out in 1993 and let me also say true pashtuns not you dont worry im talking about actual pashtuns with pashtun intrests at heart have said that they do not want this border dividing thier own people. parties on both side have clearly stated this becouse this line is what divides us pashtuns and once kp is back in afghanistan hands hey you pakistanis are more them welcome to go to karachi or whatever part of panjab you want to nd hail your 60-70 year old country

[Shehbaz Khan]

Toramana: The point is, our Pashtun brothers from Afghanistan are the ultimate victim of the 3 decades of war and feel alienated/'deprived(the feelings sound to me extreme)...It is natural that they are expecting from us that we cannot deliver due to our own situation and the siuation of Pashtun nation as a whole...One should be at least courteous to them...and should not come and assert ones Pakistaniyath or KPKiyath....


The Pakhtuns from KPK have helped them. I remember back when I was in school and US attacked them the zeal with which the people helped them was marvellous. Pakistan is blamed for proxy wars I never said Pakistan is a clean baby and have nothing to do with it .. But that doesn't mean that anyone loving this country Pakistan for the million reasons should be treated in such a way at this forum. If a Pakhtun can be proud American why he can't be Proud Pakistani?

An example is the following post, look at it how the reply starts by calling me a very soft nick name:

http://www.pashtunforums.com/390560-post38.html