Are Muslim women in the West averse to going back to Pakistan/Afghanistan?

[Elite Pakhtun]

Are the women in the west, who were born and raised in whichever country they're in, highly averse to moving to Pak/Afg in the future?

A buddy of mine tells me they're very much like this. He's been talking to a few women, just to see what's out there (I guess there's a bit of pressure on him, and he wants true love or something, because age), and he's telling me that the vast majority who grew up in Canada/USA are very much against the idea of spending "a few years" in Pakistan/Afghanistan.

Anyone with insight on this? What's the deal? Spoilt bratz? Are they stupid? Both?

[toughpashtun]

Are the women in the west, who were born and raised in whichever country they're in, highly averse to moving to Pak/Afg in the future?

A buddy of mine tells me they're very much like this. He's been talking to a few women, just to see what's out there (I guess there's a bit of pressure on him, and he wants true love or something, because age), and he's telling me that the vast majority who grew up in Canada/USA are very much against the idea of spending "a few years" in Pakistan/Afghanistan.

Anyone with insight on this? What's the deal? Spoilt bratz? Are they stupid? Both?

I don't think you can generalize this really.I am sure it differs from person to person.
And those women who are reluctant to go back to Pak/Afg , then they will have different reasons for that. Change in lifestyle , cultural restrictions , family matters could all play a role.

[Kakar-Wardak]

Yes 99% if them, for this simple reason I won't be marrying A Muslim women raised in the west, I don't want the baggage that comes with them, all most guys want is a good looking girl who can cook, clean and look after the kids, we don't want Some 'Career women, plus the laws favour women so there is no incentive to get married in the west for guys.

If women want to abandon their natural role as mothers, than men can also abandon their natural role as fathers and simply walk away from marriage, two can play this game.

[Kakar-Wardak]

Also if you want your kids to speak Pashto, you must not absolutely not marry a western raised pashtana, forget your kids ever speaking Pashto.

Best thing to do is Marry back home but don't bring her over, or just move back, accumulate some wealth whilst still single so you can start some business once you go back.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

What women want and need from a relationship is love and stability. They are biologically programmed to seek those things so that the can settle and bare children.

It is therefore counterintuitive to go and spend time in a highly unstable, violent and dangerous place. Afghanistan is a real hellhole and for women it's unbearable to live there. Pakistan is a little better but it is still one of the worst places to live in the whol world.

Why would anyone want to move back and live there?

If there is a specific reason, like providing aid and assistance or education, the. People may want to go back and live there. But when you don't have any such goals and objectives then there is absolutely no reason to go back right now.

[Nekrofrost]

What women want and need from a relationship is love and stability. They are biologically programmed to seek those things so that the can settle and bare children.

It is therefore counterintuitive to go and spend time in a highly unstable, violent and dangerous place. Afghanistan is a real hellhole and for women it's unbearable to live there. Pakistan is a little better but it is still one of the worst places to live in the whol world.

Why would anyone want to move back and live there?

If there is a specific reason, like providing aid and assistance or education, the. People may want to go back and live there. But when you don't have any such goals and objectives then there is absolutely no reason to go back right now.

This is the best way to put it. Also western born women(or rather even men) dont have the same level of thick skin to handle pak/afg eithe.

[Karachi]

no right minded women in the world will ever move to those hellish places. Women want freedom, this is why they want to live in the west, in fact almost every human wants freedom. Countries like Pakistan/Afghanistan, suck the life out of you, might as well be dead instead of going there

[Kakar-Wardak]

What women want and need from a relationship is love and stability. They are biologically programmed to seek those things so that the can settle and bare children.

It is therefore counterintuitive to go and spend time in a highly unstable, violent and dangerous place. Afghanistan is a real hellhole and for women it's unbearable to live there. Pakistan is a little better but it is still one of the worst places to live in the whol world.

Why would anyone want to move back and live there?

If there is a specific reason, like providing aid and assistance or education, the. People may want to go back and live there. But when you don't have any such goals and objectives then there is absolutely no reason to go back right now.

Isn't there Ijma that living in non muslim lands for other than dawah is impermissible?

[UnknownUser]

no right minded women in the world will ever move to those hellish places. Women want freedom, this is why they want to live in the west, in fact almost every human wants freedom. Countries like Pakistan/Afghanistan, suck the life out of you, might as well be dead instead of going there

Material comfortablity/high standard of living is a bigger selling point of the West than ''freedom''.

''Freedom'' is a subjective/relative term.

[Karachi]

Material comfortablity/high standard of living is a bigger selling point of the West than ''freedom''.

''Freedom'' is a subjective/relative term.

Um no since, Material comfortablity/high standard of living is also avialble for rich Pakistanis and Afghans. It basically comes down to one thing (security). In the west, most of us feel secure, while liviing in most parts of the muslim world, you will never feel that, you might just say something and get killed the next day, there is no security at all in the muslim world, heck people might just accuse you of something and a mob will kill you, this is what happens in the great land of Pakistan or Afghanistan, the hell with those places, the whole world knows west is a much better civilization and is much more civilized, this is the reasons thousands and thousands of people are willing to die to come to the west from muslim world

[Baserka]

What is there for a woman to do in places like Afghanistan or Pakistan? Who wants to be locked up and have 5 or 8 years of their life wasted and be imprisoned willfully. Women who have been raised in the west have put themselves through the trouble of getting an education. There is no pointing of wasting one's life at that point unless there is a good reason behind it and your partner is not the type that would take advantage of the vulnerable position you would be placed in. Men who claim women with education from the west are not worth marrying, are the men who have trouble with not being fair to their partners on places like Afghanistan or Pakistan.

[UnknownUser]

Um no since, Material comfortablity/high standard of living is also avialble for rich Pakistanis and Afghans. It basically comes down to one thing (security). In the west, most of us feel secure, while liviing in most parts of the muslim world, you will never feel that, you might just say something and get killed the next day, there is no security at all in the muslim world, heck people might just accuse you of something and a mob will kill you, this is what happens in the great land of Pakistan or Afghanistan, the hell with those places, the whole world knows west is a much better civilization and is much more civilized, this is the reasons thousands and thousands of people are willing to die to come to the west from muslim world

security is part of a high standard of living.

the avarage person in the west is probably as rich or richer than richest pakistani and afghan. the rich afghans and pakis live good lives, even in pakistan/afgh.

[toughpashtun]

What women want and need from a relationship is love and stability. They are biologically programmed to seek those things so that the can settle and bare children.

It is therefore counterintuitive to go and spend time in a highly unstable, violent and dangerous place. Afghanistan is a real hellhole and for women it's unbearable to live there. Pakistan is a little better but it is still one of the worst places to live in the whol world.

Why would anyone want to move back and live there?

If there is a specific reason, like providing aid and assistance or education, the. People may want to go back and live there. But when you don't have any such goals and objectives then there is absolutely no reason to go back right now.

I wasn't expecting that from you. How are Afghanistan and Pakistan 'hellholes' and worst places to live? And what about Afghanistan makes it 'unbearable' for women to live there?

[toughpashtun]

Also if you want your kids to speak Pashto, you must not absolutely not marry a western raised pashtana, forget your kids ever speaking Pashto.

Best thing to do is Marry back home but don't bring her over, or just move back, accumulate some wealth whilst still single so you can start some business once you go back.

All of them won't be the same, no? I am sure there are Pashtanas' who have been born and raised in the West but have good Pashto

[Elite Pakhtun]

I don't think you can generalize this really.I am sure it differs from person to person.
And those women who are reluctant to go back to Pak/Afg , then they will have different reasons for that. Change in lifestyle , cultural restrictions , family matters could all play a role.

My buddy is saying it's far too common. It is easily the norm. For some reason the idea of spending any time back home is a deal breaker. Lol. I laugh because the girls aren't anywhere near attractive enough to be that picky.

Yes 99% if them, for this simple reason I won't be marrying A Muslim women raised in the west, I don't want the baggage that comes with them, all most guys want is a good looking girl who can cook, clean and look after the kids, we don't want Some 'Career women, plus the laws favour women so there is no incentive to get married in the west for guys.

If women want to abandon their natural role as mothers, than men can also abandon their natural role as fathers and simply walk away from marriage, two can play this game.

https://20somethinghuh.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/the-marriage-zone-analysis-and-findings-pdf.pdf

Read this. It is a classic. Also very accurate.

Will answer the others in my next post.