What is the history of the Lungee?

[Kushan Prince]

No more of something like this








Coincidence?

I think not! Proof of pashtun culture in india.

[Tjanaparh]

[Khostai]

Here's a persian turban it looks really similar to the lungee. this whole thing has been really bothering me.

I don't know what is you problem man???
Pashtun were nomads and traveled a lot, its no shame that we took some cultural things from other peopel, every culture on this planet is like that, only rare few who were quite unique and influenced others, like the greek, old babylonian and Egyptian, but even they were in the begining influenced by numerous older cultures who melted toghether and produced them, the other cultures including the one of Pashtuns have some aspects of other peopel culture in it, no culture in this world is on its own, its not possibel, and Afghanistan, was part of the silk road, so its quite normal that some aspects of our culture is borrowed from peopel around us.

[Manzareh]

Here's a persian turban it looks really similar to the lungee. this whole thing has been really bothering me.

dude the Tajiks only came into being from Persian migration to Central Asia, Pashtuns were definitely wearing the Lungi long before that, so if anything the Tajiks adopted it from Pashtuns, kinda logical.

Besides, the Lungi is a piece of cloth, it has many practical uses which is why its used by so many races across the world, therefore there is bound to be some similarity's on how Pashtuns, Tajiks, Persians wear/wrap/tie it round the head.

[Admin Khan]

I am interested in this question as well.

[Tjanaparh]

I think turbans like Pashtuns wear exist long before the modern nations and are sure one of oldest kinds of headwear

[DaZahroJaam.]

when you look at it, in every other culture, it's worn by the ordinary man as a part of his daily routine which makes it a necessity.. pashtun men wear it for a different reason. for pashtuns it's more of a valour thing. it's worn like a crown. so i don't think they originated from the same place.

[Tjanaparh]

To me older clothes were similar in many aspects. For example the oldest kind of Armenian clothes(not used today even as traditional cloth on festivals) was somehow smilar to what You Pashtuns wear now.

[Tjanaparh]

when you look at it, in every other culture, it's worn by the ordinary man as a part of his daily routine which makes it a necessity.. pashtun men wear it for a different reason. for pashtuns it's more of a valour thing. it's worn like a crown. so i don't think they originated from the same place.

Do You think it has always been that way?
I would doubt it!
We had also this time when men head a special hadwear as value (similar to the one Turkmens wear), also in older times this headwear was not a valour thing.

[Kushan Prince]

Do You think it has always been that way?
I would doubt it!
We had also this time when men head a special hadwear as value (similar to the one Turkmens wear), also in older times this headwear was not a valour thing.

She is right, back then pashtuns kings would wear big golden lungee's as a crown to show their power. Heck even when afghans invaded india they would wear black lungees to show they decelared jihad. The indian marathis adopted the hearwear of the pashtuns as did a few tajiks.

[Kushan Prince]

I don't know what is you problem man???
Pashtun were nomads and traveled a lot, its no shame that we took some cultural things from other peopel, every culture on this planet is like that, only rare few who were quite unique and influenced others, like the greek, old babylonian and Egyptian, but even they were in the begining influenced by numerous older cultures who melted toghether and produced them, the other cultures including the one of Pashtuns have some aspects of other peopel culture in it, no culture in this world is on its own, its not possibel, and Afghanistan, was part of the silk road, so its quite normal that some aspects of our culture is borrowed from peopel around us.

I think you are quiet wrong, as manzerah said, persians migrated into central asia (Afghanistan) and borrowed a lot of our customs, and then it was introduced to the tajiks and vice versa. Even Rumi, used the attan for a mediation dance and introduced it in turkey falsely as the "Rumi dance". Seems like tajiks love to steal everything. Even historians say that pashtun culture is very unique and his very little outside influence, and the persians were not interested in spreading their culture like the arabs. However, if what you say is true, then all i can say is that pashtun culture is nothing but a melting pot of other peoples cultures (since Afghanistan was invaded a lot) and pashtuns have no culture of their own.


BTW, not all Pashtuns were nomads only the kuchi were.

[Kushan Prince]

dude the Tajiks only came into being from Persian migration to Central Asia, Pashtuns were definitely wearing the Lungi long before that, so if anything the Tajiks adopted it from Pashtuns, kinda logical.

Besides, the Lungi is a piece of cloth, it has many practical uses which is why its used by so many races across the world, therefore there is bound to be some similarity's on how Pashtuns, Tajiks, Persians wear/wrap/tie it round the head.

I agree completely bro. But every other culture who wore turbans had their own unique way of wrapping them. All i can say is, if the lungee was actually tajik (which i know is not) then why do pashtuns wear it and tajiks don't?


I think i just answered my own question.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Hey guys,

Here is some information from an excellent historical text one of the mods posted here previously. The Pashtuns have been wearing the turban in one fashion or another for some time. Dont assume we are not original people with our own culture and unique garb.

The modern incarnation of the turban, has been influenced by local empires, but this information gives us some historical basis for two things:

1) Our turbans
2) Our flag collars (though the turbans had a white color strip and not black)

Though the translation is by a Westerner, the original information comes from the Turkish translation of work written down by a Polish diplomat/missionary based on Ispahan when Mir Wais's descendents took it:


http://www.archive.org/stream/chroni...fgoog_djvu.txt

"They wind around their heads pieces of white, red, and green cotton, joined together, raising them up in a peak in front, but letting them
hang down behind as far as the loins. Since the con-
quest of Persia, they have assumed the turban of that
country, and adopted gold-embroidered robes, which
reach as far as their knees, but have not abandoned
the use of their sock"

So once again, the above is a direct chronical of what we wore as a people in the more independent times when we were on the rise. This is his description of what he eye witnessed of the Hotak Ghilzai invading Ispahan.

As I wrote previously

"perhaps to validate here is a supposed picture of the turban casing of Ahmad Shah Abdali:

http://www.pactradio.com/transform/4597015/m690x/p2100044.jpg

Enjoy guys, and take fair pride in our people being an original people.

[Kushan Prince]

"and adopted gold-embroidered robes, which
reach as far as their knees"

WHAT? are they claiming our kameez partog is also influenced by persian clothing?

LOL another persian lie, the so called long shirt is a tunic, it was never considered a robe. This information looks too pro persian therefore i don't trust it.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

"and adopted gold-embroidered robes, which
reach as far as their knees"

WHAT? are they claiming our kameez partog is also influenced by persian clothing?

LOL another persian lie, the so called long shirt is a tunic, it was never considered a robe. This information looks too pro persian therefore i don't trust it.

Kameez partog is a change from what was even worn just 100 years ago. There was a guy in Peshawar named Sultan Muhammad "Telaye" who used to wear golden robes. He was the brother of Dost Muhammad and was referred to as "Telaye Bibi" for his clothing.

The author may be alluding to the royal conquerers like Ashraf.... its not far fetched that the conquerers adopt some of the clothing of the conquered. That is after all what Alexander did when he sacked parts of Persia and what his Macedonians criticized him for.

To see the difference between the current clothing styles and the rugged tribal ones from before look up pics of Faqir e Ipi and you can see the rather obvious differences between the basic Pashtun clothes of the past age and the new age.

I think the turban of Ahmad Shah covering his war helmet lends some credence to the description of what they used to wear.