Support shuttlecock burqa

[IamDZJ]

this is ridiculous.

This is supposedly a platform for pashtuns to unite in the advocating and practicing of our cultural values which includes minors and here you're spoiling the atmosphere with language you learned in the ghetto. Keep that kinda lingo for when you're out on the streets, you're in the wrong place.

choke yourself out of the misery. Don't get on my nerves.

[qunduz92]

and catya's business is my business. i consider her as my guest, my friend, my elder, and a highly polite and intelligent individual worthy of respect.

i dont want you insulting her again in front me.

[IamDZJ]

and catya's business is my business. i consider her as my guest, my friend, my elder, and a highly polite and intelligent individual worthy of respect.

i dont want you insulting her again in front me.

your wish is my command your highness.. anything else while we are at it??
see, you act like a clown, and then when i treat you like one, you are not happy.
let's talk about burqas..

[Catya Sher]

Good idea about the royalty...
in fact that is appropriate and here is more recognition for Qunduz's work in standing up for ALL the right causes:

[roadrunner]

dear kutiya sher
i wish you had been a bit more forward with what it was that you intended to say in this post. are you suggesting that i am having an affair with the moderators?? or that they are under my spell of the magical powers of black magic?? i am sorry to disappoint you but nothing of that sort is happening.
i get my posts deleted all the time. i have been warned to be banned from this site many times. i have been approached about my choice of adjectives many many times by various moderators as well as the admin himself. just because i don't make a public scene out of it every time doesn't mean i get off the hook that easily or that anyone is in my favor. as a matter of fact, i avoid interacting with moderators and the admin on the base of the fact that i don't want them to do their job and not be on my "side". i haven't talked to bls ever since he became a moderator and i have barely exchanged a few words with mayana.
don't assume that i make my way through life the way you do. you and i are two totally different people. i am not going to compromise with my principles by sugar coating my words and dipping them in honey before presenting them to people like you in exchange for assured access in this place. there is absolutely no satisfaction for me in that. this is the way i deal with life and this is exactly how i well behave in here. i will hold nothing against the admin or the moderators of this site if/when they decide to ban me from here. until then i suggest you gather yourself a posse deal with your frustration some other how.

I AM DONE WITH THIS THREAD.

o, and don't forget to brush your teeth twice a day. before you go to sleep and after you wake up. it will help you not smell fish all time.

I would agree.

You have posters grouping together on here, all the ones usually with claims of having met warlords, interviewed them, drove their jeep, fired their AK, had dinner with them, and then you have the realistic posters.

I'm not sure if this is an age thing. Could be a mental age thing, or a cultural thing. Could all be from Bangalore perhaps.

[roadrunner]

I have to say that this Burqa is atleast an Afghan invention compared to the Iranian/Arabian black one, so I prefer it. But I am against it in the first place.

I wouldn't call the Burqa an invention.

It's a foreign idea to Pashtuns. Someone took the Persian or Arab or Chinese veil and decided to create a fashion out of it.

It is still a foreign invention, though the embroidery might not be.

[roadrunner]

old pic i found on google search

Photography wasn't invented until 1879.

I'll repeat. The veil/Burqa is not a Pashtun tradition. It has only been used by Pashtun women in the last few hundred years as a result of foreigners trying to attack Pashtun lands.

Find something from 1400. That would strengthen your argument. I say 1400, because I know before 1100 there was no such veiling at all.

[roadrunner]

roadrunner, this thread is about support for a form of hijab that women can choose to wear. No one is debating the roots of this.

I assure you the burqa did not originate in Pakistan, Europe, or Africa.

where on earth did i state the burqa originated in Pakistan, Europe, or Africa?

The Burqa is modification of the face veil worn by women in pre-Islamic Persia and pre-Islamic Arabia.

[roadrunner]

lol whats this got to do with the burqa, your losing and you cant take it i will pm you all this antecedents of pashtu 1st spell the word right at least ,lol as your asking for nouns plurals lol zarbrdast, why dont you read rahman babas poem hadayat a perfect example of antecedents may be it will give you some hydayat too as you cant face the truth and answer nothing your self but want to know everything about others mine is all over the forum but no one knows who you are ,if i list everything the burqa thread will get lost so don't derail the thread find me proof of the veil and stay on subjeclong live afghanistan and the veil.

that's fine. So you dont know the antescendents of the Pashto language.

It's probably why you don't know about the veil being a foreign phenomenon.

[roadrunner]

Conan the babarian don't flatter yourself lol, my veiws still stand chadri have been a part of our culture always , i want you to give more concrete proof, you've given me nothing yet chop chop road runner find something then tell me.

I've given you one solid link.

You seemed to ignore it. So if I gave another hundred links, I think you would ignore them too.

[IamDZJ]

I would agree.

You have posters grouping together on here, all the ones usually with claims of having met warlords, interviewed them, drove their jeep, fired their AK, had dinner with them, and then you have the realistic posters.

I'm not sure if this is an age thing. Could be a mental age thing, or a cultural thing. Could all be from Bangalore perhaps.

our member dervaish said something that made me laugh the other day. Man tura haji bagoyam, tu mra mullah bego.

[roadrunner]

what the hell are you going on about. There is not linkage evidence that links Pashtuns to anyone. The origins are obscure ok.

No research done by some retard German ethnologist will answer this.

Since when did "language" mean "person"? doh

[roadrunner]

the Burqa is Afghan OK.

You want to say the Burqa is Chinese?

Next you will be saying the attan is Punjabi !!!

I didn't say the Attan was Punjabi.

Whenever you can't answer something or get cornered, you start putting words into people's mouths.

It's a weak method of arguing.

I did however say that the Burqa/face veiling is not a Pashtun tradition. And I'm pretty much 100% sure of it. It is clear that you all can't prove it to be a tradition since you would have presented the evidence already.

[Fahd]

Photography wasn't invented until 1879.

I'll repeat. The veil/Burqa is not a Pashtun tradition. It has only been used by Pashtun women in the last few hundred years as a result of foreigners trying to attack Pashtun lands.

Find something from 1400. That would strengthen your argument. I say 1400, because I know before 1100 there was no such veiling at all.

LOL ok the pic was fake and i did make it , but there was few reason to show ppl here dont search about the info if its true or not
and want to show if me did this and make some belive me ( u were going to belive me too if i give didnt put 1779 LOL but i want to give chance to see if u will know its fake :p lol
oh btw Photography invented in 1839 Louis Daguerre and first pic taken in Boulevard du Temple", taken in 1838 in Paris.


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back to the topic :p
okey Gulalai found this pic hehehe we would thank her


An 1842 Lithography work by James Rattray showing a Persian (Qizilbash) woman in Afghanistan with a burqa next to her .


okey i give this thread too much time i would also say we were not muslim and become muslim and if it was not a Pashtun tradition now its a Pashtun tradition .
but it was a Pashtun tradition LOL

[roadrunner]

LOL ok the pic was fake and i did make it , but there was few reason to show ppl here dont search about the info if its true or not
and want to show if me did this and make some belive me ( u were going to belive me too if i give didnt put 1779 LOL but i want to give chance to see if u will know its fake :p lol
oh btw Photography invented in 1839 Louis Daguerre and first pic taken in Boulevard du Temple", taken in 1838 in Paris.


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back to the topic :p
okey Gulalai found this pic hehehe we would thank her


An 1842 Lithography work by James Rattray showing a Persian (Qizilbash) woman in Afghanistan with a burqa next to her .


okey i give this thread too much time i would also say we were not muslim and become muslim and if it was not a Pashtun tradition now its a Pashtun tradition .
but it was a Pashtun tradition LOL

Pre-Islamic Persian women wore face veils. So it would be their tradition.

The possibility here is that the Burqa was a tradition in Persia and it got shifted to Afghanistan through these Qizilbash women.

So it's not a Pashtun tradition imo.

Wiki proof that face veiling is a pagan Persian and Arab tradition:
There is evidence that this type of dress was worn by some Arab and Persian women long before Islam. For example, the Roman African Christian Tertullian, writing in Chapter 17 of The Veiling of Virgins around 200 AD, praises the modesty of those "pagan women of Arabia" who "not only cover their head, but their whole face...preferring to enjoy half the light with one eye rather than prostituting their whole face." Strabo, writing in the first century AD, also refers to covering the face as a practice of some Persian women (Geography 11.13. 9–10).