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[BarakzaiAbdali]

The Pashtun were not always Muslim. The Pashtun existed way before Islam. So, to shove Islam down every Pashtun's throat is not just.

This forum did not start off on the basis of Islam.

It's called PashtunForums.

All Islam is is Greek Philosophy and Judeo-Christian Philosophy. So, it is so sad to destroy your own communities for the propagation of these philosophies.

Would you like to take the Bullsh-it you are spewing and reinsert it in your backside?

Lets look at this logically. Every one of our heroes, masharaan, nekaay, babagaan da mellat were all, even in poetry COGNIZANT of their Islam and some even made sure to incorporate it into state policy (Ahmad Shah Baba)

Up until these jackals, hyenas, and straight up donkeys like Najibullah and some crypto minority Bangash types who were shiites and then endorsed marxism to try and destroy sunni ascendancy .. all the prominent names we celebrate were Muslim: Mir wais Neka, Ahmad Shah Baba, Khushal Khan, Abdallah Atsakzaay, etc were all described as Muslims. Amanullah even used muftis to declare his anti ango ambitions as holy war Islamically.

This stupid marxist secular atheist commentary were you morons come around here saying "we were Pashtun first" based on drunk Ghani and these other fools, denying the fact that the 1500s onward era of Pashtun heroes were all Muslims is what makes you look dumb.

At most some reach for apocryphal stories regarding Pir Roshan but even then the sources show his and Akhund Derwaza's debates centering on Islamic interpretation.

Your approach is to create a pseudo nationalist narrative of a people that are not discussed in recorded history.

None of our tribes in the structures and clans that we have currently have any recorded or oral memory of their pre Islamic leaders/era.

So your attempt to delink our religion from us will fail miserably. If Ahmad Shah Baba met a fool like you you know what he would do with your head and what it would get inserted into

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Yes, my Tamim is Arabic. The name existed way before Islam. In fact, Arabic existed before Islam.

Whether the Pashtun are Muslim now or not, is not the issue. There are people who want to leave or at least do not want to follow the tenets of Islam. Among the Pashtun, as is with many tribal mentalities, when the elder of a community accepts something, no one questions. So, as such Islam took root. For this reason, it does not mean it is the right religion for the whole Pashtun population. Heck, the Prophet married for politic reasons, simply to bring peace and understanding to the Arabian Peninsula. So, it would be absurd to say that Islam was accepted by individuals en masse.

Today, many Pashtun are killing their own elders for giving in to Western forces. These elders just want peace nothing more, yet they are being killed. Imagine, if 1400 years ago there were some Talibs who killed their elders for accepting Islam? Today, you would not have "Islam" as part of the Pashtun identity.

LOOL. Really so the by your logic, they are now killing the elders for working with the West for "peace" but these same independent zealous people just submitted to the elders? Laughable contradiction.

[Tamim]

I don't think you should turn this into a debate of how I ruffled your feathers. Take what I said for what it is.

It is a fact that Islam and the Pashtun were not naturally born together.

[Damir9000]

I don't think you should turn this into a debate of how I ruffled your feathers. Take what I said for what it is.

It is a fact that Islam and the Pashtun were not naturally born together.

If Arabs existed before Islam so did Pashtuns.

[Tamim]

Heck, humans existed before religion came.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

I don't think you should turn this into a debate of how I ruffled your feathers. Take what I said for what it is.

Nah, I take the lesson that you're full of bu-ll-sh-it. Hardly ruffles any feathers. I just enjoy the hilarity of the squirming actions and verbal gymnastics that follows when you drunkards try to piece together an argument that doesn't sound like the standard line you secular militants try to utilize.

It is a fact that Islam and the Pashtun were not naturally born together.

No looool, the fact is, that in Pashtun written and oral tradition and tribal pedigree you have nothing in our collective memory except in the latter most days of Donkey Najib that give us any other other frame work for who we have become as a described people and how we have known ourselves. Invented and contrived pseudo nationalism (with crypto fascist aims) does not a historical claim make dear bottom feeder lol.

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[Tamim]

I am reading your posts and I am not sure what you are talking about.

What I am saying and what you are saying have nothing to do with each other.

I am pretty sure that you are have a lot of love for Islam, but those who have left Islam should be allowed to. It does not make them any less of a Pashtun.

[Damir9000]

I am reading your posts and I am not sure what you are talking about.

What I am saying and what you are saying have nothing to do with each other.

I noticed that too about him.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

I am reading your posts and I am not sure what you are talking about.

What I am saying and what you are saying have nothing to do with each other.

I am pretty sure that you are have a lot of love for Islam, but those who have left Islam should be allowed to. It does not make them any less of a Pashtun.

Have you been alive for the last 30 years? These psychopaths have created massive death and destruction in Pashtunkhwa and Afghanistan with their crypto fascist approach to trying and impose their minority view onto our people. They are lecherous perverts and drunkards that claimed to want progress and instead set into motion a chain of events that resulted in lines being drawn in the sand and intense radicalization.

Take for instance that atheist wombat Farhat Taj Andersen. She concocted poor quality studies and created an organization of these sick f-ucks that lobbied for sustained drone strikes to murder sunnis. And when challenged regarding the fact that her "pro drone" data came from shiites in parachinar she slithered away like a slug. She crowed endlessly about how no one but terrorists are being killed ... yet what is the reality?

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/22/asia/us-pakistan-drone-kill-list/index.html

Lives like this man's and his children have been uprooted and ruined.

So absolutely not. They "will be allowed to do so" when they stop their fifth column citizenry cock roach behavior to galvanize and catalyze the murder of their own people under the guise of battling "saudis" and other drivel to explain away the radicalization they kicked into play.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

I noticed that too about him.

Roaches don't notice - they sense with vibrations via their antennae

[Manzareh]

I noticed that too about him.

You're vocabulary isn't big enough.

[Manzareh]

Aren't Muslims suppose to defend their faith? It's like part of your duty.
Or are you those hypocritical half ass Muslims?

It's so hilarious a person from a majority feeling soo uneasy about a minority.


P.S. You should really stop using Kafir. It makes you sound like a religious fanatic.
Use english.

It's 'like' part of our duty? What the fu*k are you talking about, you think it's part of our duty because your used to Muslims defending themself, in reality they shouldn't give retards like you the time of day.

And stop using 'like' in every sentence you little bitch, man up and speak like a man.

[Manzareh]

I love the logic of

Most Pashtun are Muslims,
therefore, non-Muslims must to respect & shut up about Islam on this INTERNET forum.

Precisely.

[Manzareh]

It is a fact that Islam and the Pashtun were not naturally born together.

So what, ooooh 'pashtuns existed before Islam, therefore we should be Pashtun not Muslim' what kind of crap is that. That's like saying you was bad before you was good, therefore carry on being bad. Illogical logic

[Damir9000]

Precisely.

too bad this is the internet & not your dream caliphate.