An impression about this forum

[شمله ور خراساني]

No one on this forum claims supermacy over other nations. Some religious people are too quick to judge people and if they find that they are working for the betterment of their nation instead of putting money in their pocket, they should nationalism, haram haram, bidah bidah. Its a good trick which has been used by the Pakistani government to quitten the national sentiments of pashtuns in pakhtunkhwa. Islam has been used as a tool for political ends and its time we wake upto it.

There is no harm to be concerned about ones identity. There is no harm in worrying about and working for the betternment of your countrymen. At the moment there is no khalifat and we are stuck with nationa states. We have to work within this concept for the time being. Helping pashtun nation is helping muslims. Aren't pashtuns muslim? Look at our state, we are in ruins. Let's first get our own house in order then worry about our dear muslim brothers in palestine and elsewhere. Who is in more need of attention than Afghans?

This is a great forum and lets not derail our efforts in bringing pashtuns together.

I know most Pashtun nationalists personally. I know the leaders of Afghan Millat ANP and all former communist and Khalqi leaders.

I've met most of them personally and I've talked about our cause with them. This was years ago before I became religious.

All they can say is, how evil people of other ethnicities are. They are not concerned with betterment of our situation. They are only concerned with gaining power by using language and ethnicity as a tool to rally people behind themselves.

They use famous slogans and poetry of Khattak and others to rally people behind their movement. But all they do is drink Vodka, listen to Naghma and talk nonsense.

Most of them have read a few books like Das Kapital, and Communist Manifesto. But none of them knows about social justice, progressiveness and development in Qur'an and in the life of rasul allah sal allahu alayi wasallam.

They think it is an expression of progressiveness to drink Vodka and dance to Naghma and talk politics.

But no action what so ever. When there was Soviet Union, they were Soviet Unions slaves. And now that there is America, suddenly all of them jumped on the lap of the "capitalist" and changed their slogans from "All proletariat of the world Unite" to "Damocrasi.

I don't give a damn about what dumb Mullah's and stoges of angrez have been telling you people in Pashtunkhwa. The truth is, you are frustrated by the fact that you are hopelessly trying to impose an alien concept of nationalism on Pashtuns trying to reject Islam.

But have a good look at what your counter-parts, the Arab nationalists have achieved in Arab world. Egypt, Iraq and other Arab nations are nothing but brothels and poverty museums were there is widespread corruption, famine and crime.

Nationalism in the Muslim world only brings about corruption and immorality. Because praise of your own tribe, and ethnicity is useless.

People need books, education, schools, hospitals, technology, self determination.

We don't need fancy parties with Ismael Shahid and a few fat ugly nasty *****s jumping back and fort on the stage singing Pashtunkhwa Pashtunkhwa while Asfandyar Wali khan is laughing and enjoying himself with Zardari and taking bribes from America.

Same problem in Afghanistan. Anwar ul Haq Ahadi is a filthy dog who stole millions of aid money intended to build schools, improve education, empower the young generation. We have now still no books in Pashto, no teachers, most of our young men suffer from war and mental problems, they don't have jobs. So they are forced to either blow themselves up or become mazdur and ghulam of angrez and get paid to conduct night raids to dishonor our women and mothers.

You nationalist have nothing to show for yourself. All you have is criticims of Islam and Islamic movements. You have not done anything beneficial yet. All you guys do is express your anger and frustration against Islam.

You all wish to see as dressed in white blouses and pantalons with shiny black shoes and silk ties drinking VODKA and talking nonsense while listening to Naghma.

None of you has ever dared to risk your life or loose your job for your cause. Most of you guys live on benefits in UK, Holland, Germany and North America. And those of you who do live in Afghanistan & Pakistan hold offices where you can pocket money and steal from your own fellow Pashtuns.

Today the entire Afghan government is filled with communists and nationalists. And it is no surprise to see Afghanistan in the top 5 most corrupt countries of the world.

This is because you people have rejected all morality and follow your own desires.

Pashtun this and Pashtun that nothing but cheap talk.

You have not done anything yet.

If any of you even had a drop of ghairat and really was a Pashtun, you would have opposed the gang-rape and indiscriminate killing of our people in Afghanistan. But no! You guys support Americans and Karzai and his dogs because you don't want to loose your chance to earn a few bucks while sucking up to the new masters.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Sangar, who are you talking to you when you say "You"

People who prefer nationalism and communist over Islam and accuse Islamic movements and Islam in general of being the cause of all of our misery.

[Admin Khan]

Hi Toramana, A pleasure and honor to have you here.

After few days of stay on this forum, the point I have noted about this site is, it is more on the conservative side of the ideological divide with radical Islamist elements dominating.

Care to elaborate? What exactly are you trying to say? Radical Islamist dominating?

The second thing I observed is, there are more Afghan nationalist sentiments expressed here than Pashtun nationalist sentiments.

I beg to differ, clearly you have not visited all the topics in our political,history and cultural section. We are working on unifying.

As the discussion in various threads show,

Can you point out which threads? Do a search on the word "Pashtun" and you will see how nearly ever topic involves us.

the emphasis, unfortunately is more on Afghaniyath which overshadows the Pashun reality and pushes Pushtun identity on the backburner.

Again, No.

Another problem is the incursion by "Paakki" elements.

Can you further elaborate on what you mean by this?

I invite discussion of the learnt members on this.

Sure, discussions are always encouraged. As long as they stay civil.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

I agree that blind nationalism is not the answer but nor is the blind following of Mullahs. The real power should be in the hands of the people and the people should decide how they want to be ruled. I mean this under a sharia rule not outside it. The mission is to educate our people so they can see for themselves what each ideology preaches and which is the right way.

Please don't you this "you" this and "you" that. I don't support the occupation of Afghanistan. I want self determination of Afghans. If we want to live under sharia then its our choice. But you know its not as simple as that. In this world of hypocracy and evil, we have to pay the price for following the straight path.

Aren't you yourself setting in the west. Why don't you go and fight?

This is well said!

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

People who prefer nationalism and communist over Islam and accuse Islamic movements and Islam in general of being the cause of all of our misery.

I undrestand your frustration.

There are many of those amongs pashtuns. Let's pray for their hidayah.

In all honesty, radical Islamic movements are the reason why people are trying to seek peace in nationalism or communism over Islam. These movements have made Islam a suffocating tool for people. The only way for guidance to come from Allah is for radicalism to be routed out by Muslims. They have to establish that they can no longer be black-mailed. The Pashtun of Afghanistan have to slam, not shut, slam, the door in the face of Taliban, for starters. Thereafter, many things can happen. Until, Muslims don't stand in the way of Islamic radicalism, believe me over time we will have more people turning to anything but Islam.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

All these discussions is whats bringing us all together.

I preach this every single day.

[شمله ور خراساني]

I totally agree with this and you have said it really well.




I agree that blind nationalism is not the answer but nor is the blind following of Mullahs. The real power should be in the hands of the people and the people should decide how they want to be ruled. I mean this under a sharia rule not outside it. The mission is to educate our people so they can see for themselves what each ideology preaches and which is the right way.

Please don't you this "you" this and "you" that. I don't support the occupation of Afghanistan. I want self determination of Afghans. If we want to live under sharia then its our choice. But you know its not as simple as that. In this world of hypocracy and evil, we have to pay the price for following the straight path.

Aren't you yourself setting in the west. Why don't you go and fight?

I did not mean you personally. I was talking in general sense about those supporters of nationalism and pashtun supremacism and communists.

In Islam Muslims are not suppose to live among kuffaar! They are not suppose to live in the land where the law of allah is replaced by man made laws where gay couples can get married and adopt orphans and raise them as gays. We are not allowed to live in societies where during the summer most women wear almost nothing and where drugs and alcohol are sold on every corner o the street.

However, there are 3 exceptions. A Muslim is allowed to go to the land of kuffaar to invite them to islam and spread the message. Second exception is a muslim is allowed to engage in trade and business with kuffaar in their homeland but he is not allowed to stay in the land of kuffaar permanently. And last exception is to go to the land of kuffaar to aquire knowledge.

While living among kufaar, you have to respect their laws, their system and authority over their affairs and you have to treat them in the best manner possible.

I was a minor when my parents braughtme to Europe. I was an agnost even until I was 23. I've turned to become a devout Muslim since 2004. The gradual process has changed me. And I intend to finish my education and leave. I am not here to stay permanently. This country gives me plenty of opportunities for education work and I have double nationality here. However, this society frowns upon the way I dress, they make comments about my beard, and if I ever get married, they will definately harass my wife in public for wearing hijab as they harass other Muslimah's.

Why should I accept living under such conditions? For money? Pleasure?

One of the description of Awliya is that they do hijra for the sake of allah. They move to other parts of the world where they can practice their religion in freedom and to escape prosecution or evil and forbidden things.

We should all study, get our degrees and move back home and invest our lives working for our future instead of getting fat and talking loud about politics and yet, end up dying here achieving nothing but anger of allah.

[Son of Mountains]

We should all study, get our degrees and move back home and invest our lives working for our future instead of getting fat and talking loud about politics and yet, end up dying here achieving nothing but anger of allah.

The only good words of you!

[IamDZJ]

what i find upsetting about this particular forum is how every one seems to be on a totally different page. every one seems to be doing their own thing.
if i had a penny for every time i heard some one say "we are one" in this place...yeah well actions speak louder than words.

[IamDZJ]

well than may be we shouldn't fake it until we get it right.

[Toramana]

I did not mean you personally. I was talking in general sense about those supporters of nationalism and pashtun supremacism and communists.

Progressive and humanistic nationalism in conjuction with tolerant religious attitude is bulwark to Isalmo-fascism/zealotism which has the determinism to destroy humanity, both Muslims and non-Muslim and return to the barbarism of the stone age. That is it is so much the target of Islamo-fascists.

In Islam Muslims are not suppose to live among kuffaar! They are not suppose to live in the land where the law of allah is replaced by man made laws where gay couples can get married and adopt orphans and raise them as gays. We are not allowed to live in societies where during the summer most women wear almost nothing and where drugs and alcohol are sold on every corner o the street.

Until one lives in a fantasy world, one has to come to term with the fact that we live in a global village where one has to respect and tolerate the views and values of other human beings for one's ideology to be respected in return. There is no place in the civilized world for homophobiac/misanthropic attitude. What kind of morality are you talking about by the way? Caging women, nepotism, oppression, fascism, etc. are not morality by the way. If they were, we wouldn't be at the abyss of everything.

However, there are 3 exceptions. A Muslim is allowed to go to the land of kuffaar to invite them to islam and spread the message. Second exception is a muslim is allowed to engage in trade and business with kuffaar in their homeland but he is not allowed to stay in the land of kuffaar permanently. And last exception is to go to the land of kuffaar to aquire knowledge.

While living among kufaar, you have to respect their laws, their system and authority over their affairs and you have to treat them in the best manner possible.

That is called opportunism and hypocracy. Hating others while liking to benefit from the achievements and wealth of others. I am sure it is not true Islam, which is dynamic and progressive and preaches a benign attitude to all humanity.

One of the description of Awliya is that they do hijra for the sake of allah. They move to other parts of the world where they can practice their religion in freedom and to escape prosecution or evil and forbidden things.

We should all study, get our degrees and move back home and invest our lives working for our future instead of getting fat and talking loud about politics and yet, end up dying here achieving nothing but anger of allah.

That is prostituting the humanity and equality meted out to you...living on the benefits from the land of infidelity and then spewing venom on it and conspiring to destroy it no matter how many innocent people are destroyed in the process. I with all sincerity say that this kind of destructive agenda is not in the benifit of us, Muslims.

[Muslimah]

I swear sometimes I feel like printing out some of MWMN, Timbaktu and Sangars post and hanging them on my wall.

and throwing darts at them!

JUST JOKING! Its always so back and forth between you guys, but you have a lot to say MashAllah. I appreciate it. Makes my little brain think!

[Toramana]

Hi Toramana, A pleasure and honor to have you here.

Thanks if that is really from the heart.

Care to elaborate? What exactly are you trying to say? Radical Islamist dominating?

The domination of this forum by Islamists is very obvious. Where many members are showing it in a crude way, many are concealing it behind sophisticated demeanour.

I beg to differ, clearly you have not visited all the topics in our political,history and cultural section. We are working on unifying.

Can you point out which threads? Do a search on the word "Pashtun" and you will see how nearly ever topic involves us.

Again, No.

Can you further elaborate on what you mean by this?

Sure, discussions are always encouraged. As long as they stay civil.

Seems unify under "khilafat" ...

[شمله ور خراساني]

Progressive and humanistic nationalism in conjuction with tolerant religious attitude is bulwark to Isalmo-fascism/zealotism which has the determinism to destroy humanity, both Muslims and non-Muslim and return to the barbarism of the stone age. That is it is so much the target of Islamo-fascists.



Until one lives in a fantasy world, one has to come to term with the fact that we live in a global village where one has to respect and tolerate the views and values of other human beings for one's ideology to be respected in return. There is no place in the civilized world for homophobiac/misanthropic attitude. What kind of morality are you talking about by the way? Caging women, nepotism, oppression, fascism, etc. are not morality by the way. If they were, we wouldn't be at the abyss of everything.



That is called opportunism and hypocracy. Hating others while liking to benefit from the achievements and wealth of others. I am sure it is not true Islam, which is dynamic and progressive and preaches a benign attitude to all humanity.



That is prostituting the humanity and equality meted out to you. Live on the benefits from the land of infidelity and then spew venom aganist it and conspire to destroy it no matter if your co-religiust are destroyed in the process. I with all sincerity say that this kind of destructive agenda is not in the benifit of us, Muslims.

Did I hit a nerve? You seem very angry.

[Roshina]

After few days of stay on this forum, the point I have noted about this site is, it is more on the conservative side of the ideological divide with radical Islamist elements dominating.

I wouldn't say "this site," but we do have a good number of radical Islamists, Muslims who like to believe that only their brand of Islam is the correct one and anyone who disagrees with them is lying, spreading hatred of Muslims and Islam, and is going strait to hell 'cause he/she is of the "kuffar" -- the term intended to be derogatory but is started to become more appealing than those who carve the labels on the "kuffar." You get my point, yeah? With some time, you learn to just pity them and deal with them, trust me.

So, yeah, it's not PF. It's just certain individuals who are allowed freedom of expression and freedom of speech on the forum, that's all.