MOTW #4 Pir_Rokhan

[شمله ور خراساني]

This is the original text Pir Rokhan sent Maseed to encourage him to attack Islam.


This murtad's enmity to Islam is so vicious! Makes you wonder about the rest of the forum who seem to love this guy allot.

system da religion weak foundation banday walar dey.Pakyan religion da pukhtano aw da afghanano da exploitation da para istimalawee.religion support kawal da pakyano system mazbatawol dee.hela laram che da mazhab kamzorre bunyadoona khwazawolo kay ba mrasta okray.zamung jang asal kay da mazhab khilaf na day kho mazhab zamung khilaf istimaleege zaka zarori da che da mazhab haqeqt pukhtano ta okho

[abubaker]

This is the original text Pir Rokhan sent Maseed to encourage him to attack Islam.


This murtad's enmity to Islam is so vicious! Makes you wonder about the rest of the forum who seem to love this guy allot.

so know we are honouring people him, no wonder allot of people here hate mullahs,

btw di sanga haqiqat khabara kawi lag pre mog tha ham ranlda wachaw

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Not only this, moderators deleted my thread of the innocent people killed by Pakistan Army, I know SOM must have complained like a big baby waha waha waha they insult my jinnah and pakistan reported the thread and get it deleted, they are so quick to threaten me if i defend myself against a savage manly like Dazohrajaam who acts like a man and threatens to smash peoples teeth with stones, but when it comes to IMB it took us hours to get him banned.

They are so murtadeen, that tehy consider Jinnah as a prophet and sent by Allah and that those who oppose pakistan should be sent back to Afghanistan, and moderators never delte those posts, but when it comes to Islam bashing etc they are nominated and praised.

I wish i can get banned and every comment ive made deleted, as this forum is not worthy of any good comments.

[pir_Rokhan]

Makeen and Sangar

You guys have a poor comprehension and probably low IQ level and hence you fail to understand simple things with a=b and b=c hence a=c logic. How can I or anyone else except your ownself help you.

Please read the pm which is in Pashto [translitrated] and still Sangar [who can read and write good Pashto could not understand it] and understand it before passing comments.I own it and stand by it.

I said that I am not against any religion but it is used against us Pashtuns hence we have to expose the version of religion which is prevalent in Pakistan.I still stand by it. But if our religiously biased and sectarian based members sangar ,abaubaker and makeen just make a little mental effort to understand my point of view it will be highly appreciated. As far your passing judgement is concerned ,so it is a habit and you guys need strong nerves and stronger intellect to get over it.

One more thing,I am against the exploitative ,dictatorial and autocratic powers of army in Pakistan and as army mainly consists of Punjab hence the impression other nations living in Pakistan get is that they are being ruled by army. I suggest that democracy should be given a fair chance so that the institutions get strengthened. So I agree with Makeen's lpoint of view about Pakistan but not to his or other's views about religion. Momin however seems to be relatively balanced.

Last but not least for me religion is only of interest from two points of view. As a metaphysical cum aesthetic discipline and I would love to discuss it with any one ,no matter how relgious he might be, if he understands either quantum physics [which is a bridge between physics and metaphysics] ,or aesthetics. The second reason of my interest in religion is its use agaisnt the economically weak ,oppressed and illiterate nations and that is why I stand against any interpretation of religion which is used for the exploitation of such nations inclusinf Pashtuns.

I hope my explanations address the fictitious concerns based on the misunderstandings of our religious minded members.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Makeen and Sangar

You guys have a poor comprehension and probably low IQ level and hence you fail to understand simple things with a=b and b=c hence a=c logic. How can I or anyone else except your ownself help you.

Please read the pm which is in Pashto [translitrated] and still Sangar who can read and write good Pashto could not understand it,and understand it before passing comments.I own it and stand by it.

I said that I am not against any religion but it is used against us Pashtuns hence we have to expose the version of religion which is prevalent in Pakistan.I still stand by it. But if our religiously biased and sectarian based members sangar ,abaubaker and makeen just make a little mental effort to understand my point of view it will be highly appreciated. As far your passing judgement is concerned ,so it is a habit and you guys need strong nerves and stronger intellect to get over it.

One more thing,I am against the exploitative ,dictatorial and autocratic powers of army in Pakistan and as army mainly consists of Punjab hence the impression other nations living in Pakistan get is that they are being ruled by army. I suggest that democracy should be given a fair chance so that the institutions get strengthened. So I agree with Makeen's lpoint of view about Pakistan but not to his or other's views about religion. Momin however seems to be relatively balanced.

Last but not least for me religion is only of interest from two points of view. As a metaphysical cum aesthetic discipline and I would love to discuss it with any oen ,ni matter relgious he might be,if he understands either quantum physics [which is a bridge between physics and metaphysics] ,or aesthetics.The second reason of my interest in religion is its use agaisnt the weak and oppressed and illiterate nations and that is why I stand against any interpretation of religion which is used for the exploitation of weak nations.

I hope my explanations address the fictitious concerns based on the misunderstandings of our religious minded members.

Again..Can you educate us on what you mean by Religious Minded Members? To be a Muslim you have to be Religious. You claim that people such as abubakr diver us into the hands of Arabs imperialists in context, but what about your views, doesnt your views bring Pashtuns direct into the hands of Westerners, so what other option do you provide for us?

[pir_Rokhan]

Not only this, moderators deleted my thread of the innocent people killed by Pakistan Army, I know SOM must have complained like a big baby waha waha waha they insult my jinnah and pakistan reported the thread and get it deleted, they are so quick to threaten me if i defend myself against a savage manly like Dazohrajaam who acts like a man and threatens to smash peoples teeth with stones, but when it comes to IMB it took us hours to get him banned.

They are so murtadeen, that tehy consider Jinnah as a prophet and sent by Allah and that those who oppose pakistan should be sent back to Afghanistan, and moderators never delte those posts, but when it comes to Islam bashing etc they are nominated and praised.

I wish i can get banned and every comment ive made deleted, as this forum is not worthy of any good comments.

The supporters of Jinnah and Pakistan are not only religious minded but highly religious minded people.The more you get into religion,you indirectly support Pakistan's policies hence Military's and hence Punjabi elite's policies against Pashtuns and Afghans,who are used as cannon fodders to fight for their imperialism. The proof is that most of the religios and terrorist and extrmeist organisations are in Pakistan and all of them support Pakistan and consider it an islamic [hence a country against which you cant say a single word].So trust me and note it down with a challenge as one of my predictions.You ,if you do not understand the crux of the argument, along with sangar ,abaubaker will be used by Pakistani agencies one day agasint your own afghan ,pashtuns brothers and sisters.They would have brainwashed you to fight against your own people as after labelling them as kafar,murtad,zindeeq etc.

This is the same with the innocent Afghan Taliban who have been brainwashed by ISI goones like Col Imam and others to fight agaisnt other fellow afghans and NATO forces because their fighting helps pakistan to enslave afghanisatn and dictate her policy agaisnt India.The same col Imam hate the Pakistani taliban who are agasint the pakistani state because the Pakistani taliban go agaisnt their interests.So destruction of Afghanisatn in the name of religion is okay but that of Pakistan by the same people with same relifious beleifs is wrong.This is how ISI uses the religosity of Pashtuns to use them as scape goat for their ulterior motives.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

The supporters of Jinnah and Pakistan are not only religious minded but highly religious minded people.The more you get into religion,you indirectly support Pakistan's policies hence Military's and hence Punjabi elite's policies against Pashtuns and Afghans,who are used as cannon fodders to fight for their imperialism. The proof is that most of the religios and terrorist and extrmeist organisations are in Pakistan and all of them support Pakistan and consider it an islamic [hence a country against which you cant say a single word].So trust me and note it down with a challenge as one of my predictions.You ,if you do not understand the crux of the argument, along with sangar ,abaubaker will be used by Pakistani agencies one day agasint your own afghan ,pashtuns brothers and sisters.They would have brainwashed you to fight against your own people as after labelling them as kafar,murtad,zindeeq etc.

This is the same with the innocent Afghan Taliban who have been brainwashed by ISI goones like Col Imam and others to fight agaisnt other fellow afghans and NATO forces because their fighting helps pakistan to enslave afghanisatn and dictate her policy agaisnt India.The same col Imam hate the Pakistani taliban who are agasint the pakistani state because the Pakistani taliban go agaisnt their interests.So destruction of Afghanisatn in the name of religion is okay but that of Pakistan by the same people with same relifious beleifs is wrong.This is how ISI uses the religosity of Pashtuns to use them as scape goat for their ulterior motives.

I agree with you there, but as i said before, what is your option for Pashtuns, what should be we adapt as a rule of law?

[pir_Rokhan]

Again..Can you educate us on what you mean by Religious Minded Members? To be a Muslim you have to be Religious. You claim that people such as abubakr diver us into the hands of Arabs imperialists in context, but what about your views, doesnt your views bring Pashtuns direct into the hands of Westerners, so what other option do you provide for us?

Good question. By religious minded I mean those who consider religion so much important without underatanding the crux and essense of religion under the foolish ,uneducated and un-scholarly approach of arabs who use religion ONLY for their kingshi and fool the rest of the world by using theire lives for safeguardign their dynasties.I know as I have lived for 10 years there and though politics and freedom of expression is banned there in the sacred land,still I know even how many and which wives of the kings are divorced .illegal and which are given what in addition to what the "princes" do wioth the saudi women.But none of your iman transforms into ghairat agains these and a hundrfed more atrocities being done there right in makkah and medina.The reason is you guys are brainwashed by their unjustified love.

Yes you should opt for religion it is your basic right.For Pashtuns it is a part of our culture and langauge too to some extent.There is no harm in it.But neither understanding it yourself and imposing your misunderstandings on others ,just be force without any argument and by using judgements ,labelling,steretyping and prifiling is not reasonable.I do not want to discuss religion ,which is one of my specialities to prove from quran and sunnah to you how your understandign about relgion is highly falacious, but I would just say that muslims even if they are curiosu to invite others to their point of view have only one way according to quran and that is :

udoo ila sabeel rabbika bil hikmatay wal mauizatil hasanati wa jadil hum bilati hia ahsan.

Every other way ,liking calling someone kafir,this or that is totally against quran based on the verse i mentioned.

About west, as we cant generalise all muslim countries,similarly we cant generalise al westren countries and their systems.If their system was so bad then sangar main sb and others would be living in medina and makkah and nopt in holland ,where the blasphemy controvery reached it zentih and climax. Irresptive of any country,any nation,I am against imperialism by any country.I am against injustice whether it is by a pukhtun or a salafi or hanafi or syed or qureshi or american or scandinivian.But my point is only one you need to prove that what you call injustice is really injustice and not propaganda of your smart enemy who is fooling you by his propaganda.

[Badlun]

Congrats dear Peer Rokhan

You are Peer as well as Rokhan ..I learn a lot from your write ups. I like your candidness, clarity and creativity. You hit the nail at the right place. Its highly impressive when you expose the religious bigotry and point out the way Pashtuns should take to achieve their past glory once again.

I wish we can charter a think tank, and an NGO and strenghten the hands of the Pashtun nationalist parties in Pakistan and Afghanistan and else where. In future I would love to work with you so we can chalk out a pragmatic strategy to help Pashtuns coming out of the quagmire of religious extremism, poverty, ignorance and economic backwardness.

I really salute to your efforts and I wish your posts and writings may me collected together and may be published in the shape of books, articles, research papers, essays and editorial analyses. I wish political parties and development organizations can utilize your thoughts and recommendations to bring positive change in Pashtunland.

[pir_Rokhan]

I agree with you there, but as i said before, what is your option for Pashtuns, what should be we adapt as a rule of law?

Another good question.However allow me to reply it ina seperate post in near future.This is not the right place if you dont mind.

[tor_khan]

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[Punjabi]

well deserved.

[Master Khan]

Warka Dang.

[Roshina]

OMG! YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!! The great intellectual and scholar has been crowned!

Congratulllllllllaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaations, Pir Rokhana!! You most certainly deserved it Your contribution to PF is appreciated, so please keep on enlightening us with all your information. It's a pleasure having you here, and I can bet my life on the fact that it wouldn't be the same without you.

Thank you. And congrats X 80000, wrora!

[karachipashtun]

Congratulations for this honor award