I have got an inappropiate infarction

[Talal]

But did he give an infraction to this guy ? he replied to his post next did he tell him off for making that comment ?

And this isnt the only time, i pm'ed admin khan about even more inflamatory remarks made by a user and tor_khan was in that thread and replying to the same posts..his contributions are an asset to the web indeed, but the matter here is not about contributions

[Dinosaur Khan]

@khaney

i am not angry or emotional, i and tor khan had issues in past, and i had fear that he may abuse his new gained power against me.. which he did.

I think i should leave the forum where defending my country is gunnah and abusing my country is sawab.

i defend my country so i have an infraction.

what abt those afghanistanis who openely abuse my country and its people?

[Pakhtunzai]

Due to some reasons i am leaving this forum. as foruming is addiction so dear admin please ban my account so that i can not log in here.

PF is good forum but i cant survive here anymore

manana.

Wrora, no matter how many arguments we've been through in the past even from chai khaana till now, I have grown to like you and it won't be the same without you..you may do and say some funny things here and then but at the same time you do come up with some really valuable points defending pakistan and islam and I respect that..

[Talal]

tor khan is an asset here to PF.

dino khan lets not act like you have not created threads that were very disrespectful in the past.

Talal you havenot seen his thread. He had a thread disrespecting Hindus. A thread sex related and a bunch of more.

I'm surprising they just gave him an infraction.

The infraction we are talking about is regarding his sig

and my argument is based on personal observation, just as an example..scroll down to post # 108..i would like to know if sarbaz khan got an infraction ?

http://pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=80&page=11

no instead he got thanked by another member

EDIT:

http://pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?p=21794#post21794

i had to Pm the the admin about this even when torkhan was there

look i know he has immensely contributed to this web, and his cultural contributions would be an asset to any web, but the issue here is of moderation not contribution

[*Mahzala*]

I have made myself clear in two parts of this thread and another thread about contacting Mods or the Admin about complaints, and that creating threads and making a space where all members can quickly jump to conclusions about Mod/Admin efforts are not tolerated. Just as some of you are stressing forum rules, this too is a rule, and like any other should be followed. If you have complaints, make them via private or visitor messages. Questioning what Mods/Admin do is not to be done in public, full stop. If you have a problem or are not happy with a certain decision made, take the argument further with them by all means in the privacy of other forms of contact - not by creating threads.

Guys, let's all take a chill pill yeah? Don't catastrophise things when they are not so big.

[Master Khan]

I never called a punjabi "Dhalkhor" before.
I mean we all eat Dhal..why is it offence?

[*Mahzala*]

tor khan a moderator that has ignorance and hate towards Pakistanis. I am just disappointed of admin khan picking someone like him.

Noone here is perfect. If someone has opposing views to yours, their label shouldn't be ignorant. As a community, we have seen each other grow on this site and many are familiar with each others posts, intentions, ideologies and educational backgrounds. I am not underestimating anyone, no. What I am getting at is that Tor_Khan earned that respect among members effortlessly due to his open and wise nature. You may not see him in that light, but the mere fact that basic etiquettes are emphasised by not only our Deen but by what brings us here as a community, our Pakhtuniyat, these sorts of messages are not welcome. Disrespect for senior members whose contribution sees no bounds is not tolerated.

Tor khan has PMed me that his actual reason for infraction is my "dhalkhor" thread in food section.

I dont know why he has taken such biased step, there is no objectionale content in that thread.

the whole forum is full of abuses against pakistanis, but he is acting blind to it , my thread seem to him of "inapropiate langauge"

we pakistanis are victim of hateful word "dhalkhor" and we r gettin warning to criticise this abuse against it

Pe haqeeqat ke Dino, your wording is a total failure. What did you intend to say or ask in that thread? That it is strange Pakistani's are daal khwaare, or whether Afghans staple food is meat, or simply inciting some more tension? Sometimes I think you just like to go on creating threads without thinking twice about the implications ... Amagha ywa khabera har wakhtke dangaye ... Move on a bit, step outside the box. You want change from racism and hateful comments, then don't incite them, full stop. Discussing them is really not going to change much. Khpel pe zaan ke tagheer rawala, khpel pe khabero ke, in your dealings with others and broaden the lens through which you see things ... change starts at the individual. If you want it, seek it, pursue it.

I leave it at saying that most of us don't log in here to sweat. Enjoy the forums as they are, keep up the positive attitude and behaviour and avoid making deliberate insults and remarks towards your very own Brothers and Sisters.

[Roshina]

Like others have suggested, please, guys, can we just contact the person we have a problem with?

Dino, I saw your signature for the first time a couple of days ago, and I sent a PM to admin yesterday in which I mentioned to him that I'd like to remind members that any words or an abusive language they cannot use in regular posts, they can't use it in their signatures either. And I don't know you from CK at all, though I joined around November last year and was quite active, I'd say. So, this is just to say that I was gonna contact you as well about your signature. I mean, perhaps you could change the F word to something like "f**kistan"?

Also, I might not know Tor Khan too well, but I think it's a fair conclusion that he's above issuing warnings or infractions to/against people just because of a negative past he might share with them.

Now c'mon, mara, you can't leave just because of this! Things like this are gonna happen, but we're all matured people, and we know that leaving/quitting is never an option. I urge you to stay, please.

[Talal]

I am very disappointed to see Dino and Talal blow this out of proportion.

My post was irrelevant to Dino's issue even though i did post it here...which was wrong as per forum rules i should have contacted the Admin and yes Admin does an awesome job at taking care of things..

However, the points i raised are not wrong and i have still to hear anything about the post Sarbaz Khan made.

But this issue has been brought up with Admin Khan in private so yes the mods should lock this thread..since it will and already has become a battlefield

EDIT: the point raised by Dino was important since, the word pakistan is among the most abused words on this website and thats despite all of the effort mods are putting in to cap it

[Roshina]

and my argument is based on personal observation, just as an example..scroll down to post # 108..i would like to know if sarbaz khan got an infraction ?

http://pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=80&page=11

no instead he got thanked by another member

EDIT:

http://pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?p=21794#post21794

Talal, you were adult enough to contact me about a post that I hadn't seen. Obviously, although it is five of us monitoring this site, we might not always be able to go through every single post that every single writes in every single thread, kana; I'm sure everyone understands this. And it is for this reason that we thank everyone for helping us out when needed and for cooperating with us in directing us to posts that are insulting to them or to others.

And I did go ahead and warn the member whose post was utterly offensive; if he continues, I stated there, then we'll have to ban him and others who use similar language.

With the link you've posted above, though, and the comment you refer to (post # 108), I must say that I find nothing wrong with it, though I'm reading it from a neutral point of view. The guy's wishing that Pakistan be destroyed, and many people wish that many people and nations be destroyed; I don't like such views, and I don't agree with it, but I'm not sure how fair it is to give infractions to someone just because he wishes the destruction of a certain country . . .

Do you get my point?

If the other moderators disagree, they are free to express their view as well.

[Talal]

alright bro since your asking for it, one of the pashtun friends ( our acquaintance from another place ) joined this forum..she is a professional reporter..she was on here and another pakistan military forum, some "guests" here found out about her posts on that forum.

And guess what happened ? they opened fire at her frikin house
..she refused to tell names but those members are from this site. Do you understand how serious this is ?

And your not the only pakistani here, i invited ten of my friends who are all pashtuns to join here..and they all visited this web and refused to join

and to that specific post that your talking about it was brought up, you dont know what happened so dont assume you know what im talkin about..and as for sarbaz khan and other members ive brought that issue up with admin khan and would like to leave it that.

[Talal]

also QT thanks for explaining that, i was under the impression that saying " i wanna nuke that country " is considered hate speech and should thus be discouraged..but i guess not

Also i just thought i should mention some forum rules here

Flaming, Bashing, and Trolling

A) Flaming is the act of posting messages that are deliberately hostile and insulting.
B) Bashing is posting messages that are harsh, gratuitous, prejudicial or attacking in nature towards a person, group
or subject.
C) Trolling is posting of inflammatory, rude or offensive messages designed intentionally to annoy and antagonize the existing members or disrupt the flow of discussion. It also includes deliberately posting false information in order to elicit responses from people who really want to help. The best way to deal with such members is to simply ignore them and ask others to do so as well. All such posts will not be tolerated on the PF Message Boards. Treat others on these message boards with dignity and respect, just as you would expect them to treat you. Talking trash about another user or posting topics specifically to provoke a negative response from an individual or a group is not acceptable on the PF Message Boards. Any such threads/posts will be deleted and may result in having the privilege of posting on the boards revoked by being banned.

[Do you think what Sarbaz Khan said fits any of these criteria ?]

Discrimination

Discrimination towards any particular member or group of members, based on sex, colour, race or ethnicity shall not be tolerated at all and shall be edited or deleted by the Moderators immediately.

[yet all the reported posts are still up ?]

[SwatiTheBrave1]

alright bro since your asking for it, one of the pashtun friends ( our acquaintance from another place ) joined this forum..she is a professional reporter..she was on here and another pakistan military forum, some "guests" here found out about her posts on that forum.

And guess what happened ? they opened fire at her frikin house
..she refused to tell names but those members are from this site. Do you understand how serious this is ?

And your not the only pakistani here, i invited ten of my friends who are all pashtuns to join here..and they all visited this web and refused to join

and to that specific post that your talking about it was brought up, you dont know what happened so dont assume you know what im talkin about..and as for sarbaz khan and other members ive brought that issue up with admin khan and would like to leave it that.

Very sad news Indeed. I was terrified when I heard about this.

[Roshina]

also QT thanks for explaining that, i was under the impression that saying " i wanna nuke that country " is considered hate speech and should thus be discouraged..but i guess not

No, no, Talal, you misunderstood. It's certainly discouraged, and no Moderator supports speech like "I wish for the destruction of such and such country and people"! I assure you of that; all of us, along with us many members here, are above such thinking. All of us should avoid using the type of language about/against other people and countries and religions that we'd want and appreciate for other people to use about us, our countries, our people, our religion, our beliefs. So we discourage it in the sense that we don't want them to wish destruction of a certain country since they wouldn't like it if someone wished the destruction of Afghanistan or of Pashtuns.

Am I making any sense?

But while it's discouraged, we can't really "ban" someone for saying that, or give her/him an inappropriate infraction.

Also i just thought i should mention some forum rules here

Please let the Admin know in a PM about ANY post that offends you. He'll deal with it in a civil manner, trust me. If you've already told him of it and he hasn't responded, I'd be very shocked.

Manana again!

[Talal]

^ he does QT, but you asked me how does it violate forum rules..you have the post and PF forum rules there..and it also tells what are the appropriate measures to be taken my mods.

My issue was that a mod saw that post and didnt take any action, if the mod hadnt seen it then i would have reported it..According to the forum rules, it does earn an infraction

anyways I've contacted the admin about this and other matters in detail..im waiting on his reply

Also if you read the post above you would know how serious this is