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  • #46
    Why do you want to learn pashto?

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Akbar View Post
      Why do you want to learn pashto?
      Since childhood I wanted to speak fluent Kandahari Pashto
      Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger
      He is a very clever guy, very intelligent. The clown persona he has on here is just for messing around and time pass on the net...
      "Za d mazaro pa kaat khob kam, zma janan pa double bed kawi khoboona..."

      "Yaar pa burgero amukhta da - zmung sarry doddy ta laas na lagawina"

      Khudaya d tol Kandahar gul ky... d yaar d para ba daste gulaan rawrama

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      • #48
        In my opinion, Kandahari Pashto is the most pleasant to the ears, relative to any other Pashto dialect, but I would not go as far as calling it the "purest". Maybe the villages of Kandahar, but certainly not the city.

        In fact, on my occasions, I've had strangers stop me and ask what language that is, cause it sounds nice.
        Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

        A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

        For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


        The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

        -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
          In my opinion, Kandahari Pashto is the most pleasant to the ears, relative to any other Pashto dialect, but I would not go as far as calling it the "purest". Maybe the villages of Kandahar, but certainly not the city.

          In fact, on my occasions, I've had strangers stop me and ask what language that is, cause it sounds nice.
          That's not true
          Eastern pashto is the national standard as it is spoken in news and government. To me all pashto sounds pleasant.
          I think it's very biased to say that Kandahari accent is more beautiful just because it is your dialect.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Akbar View Post
            That's not true
            Eastern pashto is the national standard as it is spoken in news and government. To me all pashto sounds pleasant.
            I think it's very biased to say that Kandahari accent is more beautiful just because it is your dialect.
            What part of “in my opinion” did you not understand? Opinions are meant to be biased. You also can’t tell someone their opinion isn’t true.
            Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

            A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

            For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


            The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

            -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
              In my opinion, Kandahari Pashto is the most pleasant to the ears, relative to any other Pashto dialect, but I would not go as far as calling it the "purest". Maybe the villages of Kandahar, but certainly not the city.

              In fact, on my occasions, I've had strangers stop me and ask what language that is, cause it sounds nice.
              Dawa ji sa.... I agree with everything you said. The village accent is clearer but the Kandaharis from the city speak a very beautiful Pashto as well.

              Our dialect is the French of Pashto... what the Mungawalas speak is more like German or Dutch - it is harder on the ears tbh
              Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger
              He is a very clever guy, very intelligent. The clown persona he has on here is just for messing around and time pass on the net...
              "Za d mazaro pa kaat khob kam, zma janan pa double bed kawi khoboona..."

              "Yaar pa burgero amukhta da - zmung sarry doddy ta laas na lagawina"

              Khudaya d tol Kandahar gul ky... d yaar d para ba daste gulaan rawrama

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Akbar View Post
                That's not true
                Eastern pashto is the national standard as it is spoken in news and government. To me all pashto sounds pleasant.
                I think it's very biased to say that Kandahari accent is more beautiful just because it is your dialect.
                No you are wrong about Eastern Pashto being the standard. They use it in Eastern/Central Afganistan only and it is not a pure Eastern dialect that is used in Kabuli media, it is actually a central dialect which has many influences from Kandahari Pashto. They use the formal Kandahari form "yast" as in "kha raghlast" which is borrowed from our dialect and is not used in Eastern Pashto. In Kandahar (and Helmand, Uruzgan, Herat, Zabul, Quetta and other parts of the region) only Kandahari Pashto is used.

                Quetta Pashto is the watered down version of Kandahari Pashto and even Quettawals always speak pure Kandahari as our standard.

                Tolo is a mainly Dari language Kabuli channel but once in Kandahar, they all start speaking proper Pashto. Similarly, AVT Khyber is a Peshawari channel - Pashtuns of all parts of KPK change their dialect to match the Peshwari one but in Quetta, AVT Khyber broadcasts in the local dialect because Quettawals do not accept the Peshawari dialect, we see it as broken and corrupted, like all Mungawalas in general haha
                Last edited by زده کوونکی; 12-02-2017, 11:11 AM. Reason: Spelling & addition
                Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger
                He is a very clever guy, very intelligent. The clown persona he has on here is just for messing around and time pass on the net...
                "Za d mazaro pa kaat khob kam, zma janan pa double bed kawi khoboona..."

                "Yaar pa burgero amukhta da - zmung sarry doddy ta laas na lagawina"

                Khudaya d tol Kandahar gul ky... d yaar d para ba daste gulaan rawrama

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Samandri View Post
                  Kandahar is a city, look for pure Pashto in its countryside. Pashto of any urban center can not be pure and rich like rural surroundings (just like Arabic of Mecca was lacking compared to Bedouin's in Prophet times). Many people seem to forget that Kandahar is a large province not just city, and historical Kandahar was even many times larger than todays provincial unit. When Kandahar is mentioned in historical context, it also means north-western Baluchistan and Helmand.

                  In Peshawar valley a particular brand of regional nationalism is rampant in which they claim that their hard kheen dialect is original (and superior) and the soft sheen dialect has come into being due to influence of Farsi. They insist that Pakhtun is proper word, not Pashtun.
                  Thank you very much for defining the region of Kandahar to me - Kandahar city accent is very different from the rural one of the province, Helmand, Zhob, Chaman, etc. Actually the urban Kandahari dialect is on one end of the continuum - the dialects of the country, Helmand, Zabul, Uruzgan, Chaman, Zhob, Muslim Bagh, Sibi and all other places between Kandahar and Quetta is the same, then on the other end of the continuum is the Quetta urban dialect which is more influenced by Urdu and English than Dari but since more than 90% of the words are the same in Kandahar and Quetta, we use enough Dari loanwords as well - though these words are also usually in Urdu.

                  We have the same sentiments on our side. We say the sheen is original because the shape of the letter itself is based on "س" and not "ح" which means the original pronunciation was closer to a sibilant (s-sound) rather than a fricative (kh-sound).
                  Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger
                  He is a very clever guy, very intelligent. The clown persona he has on here is just for messing around and time pass on the net...
                  "Za d mazaro pa kaat khob kam, zma janan pa double bed kawi khoboona..."

                  "Yaar pa burgero amukhta da - zmung sarry doddy ta laas na lagawina"

                  Khudaya d tol Kandahar gul ky... d yaar d para ba daste gulaan rawrama

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                  • #54
                    The standard Pashto used in KPK is based on the broader Yusafzai dialect and the Yusafzi originate from Kandahar so most of the basic Pashto words and to a lesser extent pronunciation of those words, are the same between our dialects but the accent itself (sheen vs kheen) is very different. The standard spelling of "زما" (pronounced as "zamaa" in KPK; "izmaa" in Quetta) is closest to these variants, whereas other tribes might pronounce it as "maa" "de maa" "de mo" "e mo" which is quite different from standard "z-maa".
                    Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger
                    He is a very clever guy, very intelligent. The clown persona he has on here is just for messing around and time pass on the net...
                    "Za d mazaro pa kaat khob kam, zma janan pa double bed kawi khoboona..."

                    "Yaar pa burgero amukhta da - zmung sarry doddy ta laas na lagawina"

                    Khudaya d tol Kandahar gul ky... d yaar d para ba daste gulaan rawrama

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                    • #55
                      Here is an example of an Urban Kandahari accent:

                      Ko Agha | Khumar's first day at work - YouTube

                      Pashtun-American Comedian Naseer Ahmed was born in Quetta but his parents were from Kandahar. The character he invented, Ko Agha, is a Kandahari and so he speaks Kandahari Pashto which you can listen to in the link above.

                      Compare how Naseer Ahmed speaks with Amanullah Nasar, who is a veteran actor of the Quetta entertainment industry, along with other local actors, speaking the Quetta variant of the same dialect below:

                      ★PASHTO COMEDY QUETTA amanullah nasar 2 - YouTube
                      Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger
                      He is a very clever guy, very intelligent. The clown persona he has on here is just for messing around and time pass on the net...
                      "Za d mazaro pa kaat khob kam, zma janan pa double bed kawi khoboona..."

                      "Yaar pa burgero amukhta da - zmung sarry doddy ta laas na lagawina"

                      Khudaya d tol Kandahar gul ky... d yaar d para ba daste gulaan rawrama

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                      • #56
                        ★PASHTO COMEDY QUETTA amanullah nasar 2 - YouTube
                        Even though not speaking pahsto at all, but mainly danish and even english, i assume my mom speaks the same kind of dialect(or whatever you call it) and probably comes from the same area as well, considered that i understood 70 % of what the man at the beginning said.
                        Last edited by jama0112; 12-02-2017, 07:26 PM.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Akbar View Post
                          That's not true
                          Eastern pashto is the national standard as it is spoken in news and government. To me all pashto sounds pleasant.
                          I think it's very biased to say that Kandahari accent is more beautiful just because it is your dialect.
                          *Northern

                          P.S. There's no East-West Pashto. It's North-Central-South Pashto.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by زده کوونکی View Post
                            No you are wrong about Eastern Pashto being the standard. They use it in Eastern/Central Afganistan only and it is not a pure Eastern dialect that is used in Kabuli media, it is actually a central dialect which has many influences from Kandahari Pashto. They use the formal Kandahari form "yast" as in "kha raghlast" which is borrowed from our dialect and is not used in Eastern Pashto. In Kandahar (and Helmand, Uruzgan, Herat, Zabul, Quetta and other parts of the region) only Kandahari Pashto is used.

                            Quetta Pashto is the watered down version of Kandahari Pashto and even Quettawals always speak pure Kandahari as our standard.

                            Tolo is a mainly Dari language Kabuli channel but once in Kandahar, they all start speaking proper Pashto. Similarly, AVT Khyber is a Peshawari channel - Pashtuns of all parts of KPK change their dialect to match the Peshwari one but in Quetta, AVT Khyber broadcasts in the local dialect because Quettawals do not accept the Peshawari dialect, we see it as broken and corrupted, like all Mungawalas in general haha
                            First of all i dont even know if you are Pashtun.

                            Who are you and where are you from?
                            What problem do you have with Pashtuns that you are trying to cause friction here?

                            If you are truly Kandahari than you must be the dumbest Kandahari for pushing your regional fascism.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by زده کوونکی View Post
                              whereas other tribes might pronounce it as "maa" "de maa" "de mo" "e mo" which is quite different from standard "z-maa".
                              We marwats use "maa" instead of "zamaa"....."mo" is used by Bannuchis and Waziristanis.

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                              • #60
                                Kheen dialect is original and sounds better.

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