Assalamu Alaykum

[Kakar-Wardak]

Mullah gul has a better ring to it.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Wa alaykum as-salaam and welcome Gujjar. On this forum you will have the pleasure of being referred to as an „Indic“ LOL. That is what they call us here. I’ve never even come across that term until I joined this forum that has a bizarre obsession with race and color. Nonetheless, we „Indic“ people far outnumber the Afghans and I predict that despite its name, this forum will simply come to be dominated by Indians and Pakistanis, therefore, we should broaden the conversations to more stimulating and thought provoking topics of religion and politics.

You're actually misunderstanding what goes on here. We actually don't have an obsessuon with race or color ...but because we're flooded with Indics ....we know what gets you guys triggered because we're aware of the cultural insecurities you have about both. So we simply play off of it ...and it works.

[maneatinglizard]

RightWingPakhtun is Kanishka. He should be banned now before he spouts insults towards Islam again.

[salman47]

Wa alaykum as-salaam and welcome Gujjar. On this forum you will have the pleasure of being referred to as an „Indic“ LOL. That is what they call us here. I’ve never even come across that term until I joined this forum that has a bizarre obsession with race and color. Nonetheless, we „Indic“ people far outnumber the Afghans and I predict that despite its name, this forum will simply come to be dominated by Indians and Pakistanis, therefore, we should broaden the conversations to more stimulating and thought provoking topics of religion and politics.

Ok please be 100% honest here(no forced religious logic please): When you see a 'Black' person, what goes through your mind about him/her?

[salman47]

What do you call a Pashtun (other than Taliban) who doesn’t fit in either of these three categories, but simply wants a revolutionary Islamic state. No matter which side of the Durand line he falls, he opposes both Afghan and Pakistani nationalism. His loyalty is solely to Islam and the Islamic movement. Gul Sheikh?

Trust me: The people you are thinking about don't exist. Get it? They are long gone.

[toughpashtun]

Well Mr Kashmiri Gujar Punjabi

we have some proud pakistani pashtuns on this forum, one of them is toughtpashtun

ofcourse, we have a term for such folks , "Gul Khans", while the majority of us are "gul marjans", half of us despise gul khans and mohajirs/punjabais.

Luckily some pro-pakistani pashtuns like ToughPashtun has gained respect from fellow gul marjans, despite holding a contrasting opinion (his pakistani identity), and he probably welcomes you with open arms more than anybody.

This forum used to be riddled with hardliners

i know some people are getting annoyed by Gul Khan .... please ! Let me use gul khan, it's not even an offensive word, it's just short form for proud-pakistani Pashtun because it contains less syllables and the human brain can only memorize 7 syllables per sentence, it's the similar to the word Torie used by british loyalists in the 13 colonies of america. For anyone getting angry, you're welcome to us gul marjan or gul shah in return. Gul Shah is a new word i used for pro-persian or Persianized Afghan Pashtuns.....

so gul khan is desified or pro pakistani pashtuns
gul marjan is pro-loy afghanistan Pashtuns
gul shah is dari persianised pashtuns

simple enough?

So Kanishka , I finally got called a 'Gul Khan'.
I am fine with that.
Just because someone is Pakistani , doesn't mean I am going to welcome them with open arms. It depends on how they behave over here. There are some non-Pashtuns here , though most of them are not Pakistani , but they post ridiculous stuff all the time about how they have this genes and that genes and this or that ancestry. Which annoys me like anything.
And why did you bother changing your username?

[maneatinglizard]

So Kanishka , I finally got called a 'Gul Khan'.
I am fine with that.
Just because someone is Pakistani , doesn't mean I am going to welcome them with open arms. It depends on how they behave over here. There are some non-Pashtuns here , though most of them are not Pakistani , but they post ridiculous stuff all the time about how they have this genes and that genes and this or that ancestry. Which annoys me like anything.
And why did you bother changing your username?

His Kanishka account was banned for making disrespectful comments about Islam and Rasulullah (salla Allahu alayhi was salam). That’s why this one should be banned too. Not like he adds anything either. At least the other guys could be entertaining sometimes.

[toughpashtun]

His Kanishka account was banned for making disrespectful comments about Islam and Rasulullah (salla Allahu alayhi was salam). That’s why this one should be banned too. Not like he adds anything either. At least the other guys could be entertaining sometimes.

All of them need to be banned in my opinion.He started the same old visitor messages on my wall , continuing the conversation he had started before.

[ذو الفقار]

Ok please be 100% honest here(no forced religious logic please): When you see a 'Black' person, what goes through your mind about him/her?

Depends what they look like, how they are dressed, what they are doing, what kind of Black person are they (Caribbean, African, African-American, Nigerian, Somali?), how old they are, so many factors.

And I'm not racist to black people. I think they are lovely people who may simply have some bad habits. They are not cunning or backstabbing, but have good hearts. I live in an area that has large number of black people, I've never been particularly bothered by them

[salman47]

Depends what they look like, how they are dressed, what they are doing, what kind of Black person are they (Caribbean, African, African-American, Nigerian, Somali?), how old they are, so many factors.

And I'm not racist to black people. I think they are lovely people who may simply have some bad habits. They are not cunning or backstabbing, but have good hearts. I live in an area that has large number of black people, I've never been particularly bothered by them

Got It!
The first thing that goes through your mind is 'Black Person' or 'African'!
you see that's the first thing you think of.
Same way when we see someone from Political South Asia(minus KPK/Balochistan/Sino-Tibetan areas), the first thing that comes to our mind is 'Indian'. Some of us might be aware of the Bangladesh/India/Pakistan division(not the internal divisions), but still the first thing that pops in our mind is 'Indian'

The Reason for this type of thinking is simple, you guys were part of Historical India, and we(Afghans), Turks, British etc. treated you as such.
Also it is very hard to just forget that you guys are 'Indians', but we will call you 'Indian' forever(metaphorically speaking)...
Same way in Arabic Culture(and thanks to their invasions, in some Eastern cultures as well), all the Africans are called 'Habashi'(Ethiopian) if I am not mistaken. And they will be called as such forever, because it is a part of 'Lisan alArbi''/'Lughat ulArbi''.
In Conclusion, People don't change that much.

P.S. I have a lot of African friends(from Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Ghana, Nigeria, Senegal, Egypt, Morocco, Libya, Somalia etc.), and I am fully aware of the Ethnic differences in Africa. But still the very first thing that comes to my mind, when I see a 'Black Person', is 'African'.

I hope I cleared the point of lumping all of you together as 'Indians'.

[ذو الفقار]

Got It!
The first thing that goes through your mind is 'Black Person' or 'African'!
you see that's the first thing you think of.
Same way when we see someone from Political South Asia(minus KPK/Balochistan/Sino-Tibetan areas), the first thing that comes to our mind is 'Indian'. Some of us might be aware of the Bangladesh/India/Pakistan division(not the internal divisions), but still the first thing that pops in our mind is 'Indian'

The Reason for this type of thinking is simple, you guys were part of Historical India, and we(Afghans), Turks, British etc. treated you as such.
Also it is very hard to just forget that you guys are 'Indians', but we will call you 'Indian' forever(metaphorically speaking)...
Same way in Arabic Culture(and thanks to their invasions, in some Eastern cultures as well), all the Africans are called 'Habashi'(Ethiopian) if I am not mistaken. And they will be called as such forever, because it is a part of 'Lisan alArbi''/'Lughat ulArbi''.
In Conclusion, People don't change that much.

P.S. I have a lot of African friends(from Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Ghana, Nigeria, Senegal, Egypt, Morocco, Libya, Somalia etc.), and I am fully aware of the Ethnic differences in Africa. But still the very first thing that comes to my mind, when I see a 'Black Person', is 'African'.

I hope I cleared the point of lumping all of you together as 'Indians'.

No sir, all you proved is how superficial you are that you see people’s race before anything else. I see people for more than their race. Yes if I see some random stranger I may or may not note his race in my mind, depending on the area. If I’m in a place full of black people and I see just another black person, I don’t think to myself “Oh look! A black guy”, I just acknowledge that he is some random guy and don’t give a second thought to his race. I live in an extremely diverse and cosmopolitan area full of people of every conceivable race and ethnic group. More importantly, I grew up in Canada in the same multicultural area. I learned in the classroom full of diversity. When you grow up like that you learn to look past racial differences. Perhaps you grew up in a monocultural environment.

[salman47]

No sir, all you proved is how superficial you are that you see people’s race before anything else. I see people for more than their race. Yes if I see some random stranger I may or may not note his race in my mind, depending on the area. If I’m in a place full of black people and I see just another black person, I don’t think to myself “Oh look! A black guy”, I just acknowledge that he is some random guy and don’t give a second thought to his race. I live in an extremely diverse and cosmopolitan area full of people of every conceivable race and ethnic group. More importantly, I grew up in Canada in the same multicultural area. I learned in the classroom full of diversity. When you grow up like that you learn to look past racial differences. Perhaps you grew up in a monocultural environment.

Did you even read what I wrote? Try to understand it.

[Akbar]

like the saying goes
''for a sensible person pointing out is enough''
obviously this guy understood and didnt return unlike these other pakistrolls.

[Elias]

like the saying goes
''for a sensible person pointing out is enough''
obviously this guy understood and didnt return unlike these other pakistrolls.

He didn't want to share the stage with zulfiqar.

[Muhammad Gujjar]

Wa Alaikum Salam

Welcome, but I think you’ll probably find this place very frustrating.

Also, I don’t think most of us have problems with Desis/Indics in general, it just annoys us when they adamantly deny their own identity, and instead try to associate themselves with various Central/West Asian ethnicities.

And desi, Tamil, Dravidian, etc. aren’t slurs. Desi is what you guys usually refer to yourselves in the West (I don’t know if the term is common in Pakistan/India), and the other two are ethnicities/language groups. If you’re a Gujjar, you likely have Dravidian ancestry, but aren’t Dravidian yourself. I don’t know why you dispute association with Indians, when you’re literally an Indian Muhajir.

We are proud of identity and we don't associate ourselves with Central Asians bar a very few people.

Also, desi has more to do with similar language (Urdu-Hindi) and cuisine and very little to do with ethnicity or identity. It was first used by Pakistani and India Punjabis but then the rest of the Indians and even Bengalis started to hop on the train and that's when Pakistanis began to distance themselves from this term.

Also, please take no offense when I say this, but what credibility do you have to claim that Gujjars are of Dravidian ancestry? Please give me sources as well. You should look up non-Indian/Pakistani sources and lets just say that you will be "very annoyed".

These are Pakistani/Kashmiri Gujjars, please tell me how on earth do they look anything like Indians or Dravidians?








There are even Gujjars in Afghanistan



Also, i'm not an Indian Muhajir. My grandparents emigrated from the state of J&K which still has a distinct language, culture, ethnic groups, history, heritage and etc...