Hello

[Elite Pakhtun]

Why do Afghans (and the rest of us) say Pashtun and why do Pakis say Pakhtun?

Is it their pathological need to always try and stand out from the rest of their neighbors, even when drowning in their own putrid feces?

lololol.. wutt a f*cking idiot. Nice first impression....indiot.

[Shapur]

Why do Afghans (and the rest of us) say Pashtun and why do Pakis say Pakhtun?

Is it their pathological need to always try and stand out from the rest of their neighbors, even when drowning in their own putrid feces?

First of all, welcome to the forum

Secondly, please refrain from insults against Pakistanis and discuss things in a civil manner. We don't want this forum to turn into a battle ground for desis to settle their scores with each other. This is Pashtun forums and you are welcome to express your opinion in a civilized manner.

Pashtun and Pukhtun are just two ways of referring to the same people. Pashtun is the southern dialect of Pashto from areas of Afghanistan and Pakistan and Pukhtun is in the northern dialect of AFghanistan and Pakistan. Both dialects are spoken in AFghanistan and Pakistan so it has nothing to do with which country you are from. Hope that helps.

[Elite Pakhtun]

Shapur, your patience is commendable. It's a good trait to have. It'll only help you in life.

You are the boss, so you call the shots. I'm the kind of guy who thinks things rectify themselves, and this guy insulting Pakistanis carte blanche will only serve to make him look useless. People will probably ignore him by default after that happens.

[Kabulistan]

Kabulostani the picture you have posted are all seems brown to me. What does brown look to you?

My friend then you dont know what brown means


Afghans are not brown...we may not be white, bur certainly not brown...

These are brown:

Indians, Pakis, Arabs, Mexicans, Braziilians, vietnamese etc





Not Afghans:



Word "brown" should never be used for Afghans. We are crano-facially way too different races from all these other non related races, some people ignorantly want to label us together with.

I dont give a **** if we are considered white or not (thats a BS term btw) but we are clearly not "brown" (like Indians, Pakis, Arabs, Mexicans, etc.).... Anything with dark hair and dark eyes is not "brown" otherwise most of (south) Europe should be considered non-white and East Asians and Arabs same race which isn't the case...

[vsdoc]

First of all, welcome to the forum

Secondly, please refrain from insults against Pakistanis and discuss things in a civil manner. We don't want this forum to turn into a battle ground for desis to settle their scores with each other. This is Pashtun forums and you are welcome to express your opinion in a civilized manner.

Pashtun and Pukhtun are just two ways of referring to the same people. Pashtun is the southern dialect of Pashto from areas of Afghanistan and Pakistan and Pukhtun is in the northern dialect of AFghanistan and Pakistan. Both dialects are spoken in AFghanistan and Pakistan so it has nothing to do with which country you are from. Hope that helps.

Thanks for the explanation Shapur. Appreciate it.

But why the love for Pakis? They've been fingering you guys for almost as long as they've been fingering us.

With significantly greater effect.

Its a genuine question from someone from a country that's trying to help.

Desi fights? You fight with equals. You tolerate those below.

Cheers, Doc

[vsdoc]

lololol.. wutt a f*cking idiot. Nice first impression....indiot.

Yeah, you're a real "elite" inbred Paki turd. Chal aukat mein reh katue.

@Shapur, as super mod, I hope you realise that this is in response to the Paki turd using the offensive term "Indiot." Rest, I am ok with your justice one way or the other.

Cheers, an Indian friend.

[Elite Pakhtun]

Yeah, you're a real "elite" inbred Paki turd. Chal aukat mein reh katue.

@Shapur, as super mod, I hope you realise that this is in response to the Paki turd using the offensive term "Indiot." Rest, I am ok with your justice one way or the other.

Cheers, an Indian friend.

Avoid speaking in whatever indiot dravidian piss drinking cr*p language your cockroach ancestors handed down to you. Wtf is katue?

Learn a thing about the forums you're trying to participate in. You don't even know about the dialects. That is so basic.

[vsdoc]

Wtf is katue?

A liberated Pakistani.

[Shapur]

Thanks for the explanation Shapur. Appreciate it.

But why the love for Pakis? They've been fingering you guys for almost as long as they've been fingering us.

With significantly greater effect.

Its a genuine question from someone from a country that's trying to help.

Desi fights? You fight with equals. You tolerate those below.

Cheers, Doc

As a moderator I have tried to be fair regardless of member's background to make this a better place for everyone have a good time and have constructive discussions. I have defend Hindus on many occasions when unfairly insulted by Pakistanis. I just don't want this place to turn into another battleground for Desi keyboard warriors. There are plenty of places for that on the internet.

I can criticize Pakistan or Afghanistan's rulers, government policies etc without resorting to insults against common Pakistanis or Afghans who are both victims of their policies.

Despite all the problems Afghans and Pakistanis have because of historical and political reasons, we are still closer to each other because of Islam than to Hindus. I have seen plenty of marriages between, muslims Bengalis, Pakistanis, Arabs etc and Afghan but not much between Indians and Afghans unless Indian muslim. You are confusing politics and national interests with real life relationships between people.

[mungojerry]

As a moderator I have tried to be fair regardless of member's background to make this a better place for everyone have a good time and have constructive discussions. I have defend Hindus on many occasions when unfairly insulted by Pakistanis. I just don't want this place to turn into another battleground for Desi keyboard warriors. There are plenty of places for that on the internet.

I can criticize Pakistan or Afghanistan's rulers, government policies etc without resorting to insults against common Pakistanis or Afghans who are both victims of their policies.

Despite all the problems Afghans and Pakistanis have because of historical and political reasons, we are still closer to each other because of Islam than to Hindus. I have seen plenty of marriages between, muslims Bengalis, Pakistanis, Arabs etc and Afghan but not much between Indians and Afghans unless Indian muslim. You are confusing politics and national interests with real life relationships between people.

brothar, no way i feeling close to afghans or arabs for being muslims. all desis feel more closer to each others even if they hindu or muslim. you dont knows this as you are afghani man. if i marry afghan or arabian woman i only feel close to her not all afghans or arabians. But i feel close to all desis.

[vsdoc]

As a moderator I have tried to be fair regardless of member's background to make this a better place for everyone have a good time and have constructive discussions. I have defend Hindus on many occasions when unfairly insulted by Pakistanis. I just don't want this place to turn into another battleground for Desi keyboard warriors. There are plenty of places for that on the internet.

I can criticize Pakistan or Afghanistan's rulers, government policies etc without resorting to insults against common Pakistanis or Afghans who are both victims of their policies.

Despite all the problems Afghans and Pakistanis have because of historical and political reasons, we are still closer to each other because of Islam than to Hindus. I have seen plenty of marriages between, muslims Bengalis, Pakistanis, Arabs etc and Afghan but not much between Indians and Afghans unless Indian muslim. You are confusing politics and national interests with real life relationships between people.

Don't know about you, but if someone is killing my people, the only "real life relationship" I have with him is my knife in his heart.

And when in deep, I start twisting. And don't stop till I see the life ebb from his eyes.

What Islam are you talking about? The one which is spreading across the middle east like wild fire? Or the one in your country and Pakistan blowing mosques and markets up, and killing school kids and old and women alike?

Its not just Islam. Its any faith.

Religion does not and has never brought people together. It has only alienated people and driven in wedges deep between blood brothers.

Protestants and Catholics. Sunni and Shia. The caste wars among the Hindus. Hindu on Sikh or Hindu on Jain and Buddhist. Buddhist on Hindu. Christian on Jew.

The greatest wars of the past century were fought between Christian nations.

Between blood and faith, blood always wins my friend.

As for us, we are just here as friends. No blood. No faith.

The choice is always going to be with you. We are going to be here.

Cheers, Doc

[Samandri]

Don't know about you, but if someone is killing my people, the only "real life relationship" I have with him is my knife in his heart.

And when in deep, I start twisting. And don't stop till I see the life ebb from his eyes.

What Islam are you talking about? The one which is spreading across the middle east like wild fire? Or the one in your country and Pakistan blowing mosques and markets up, and killing school kids and old and women alike?

Its not just Islam. Its any faith.

Religion does not and has never brought people together. It has only alienated people and driven in wedges deep between blood brothers.

Protestants and Catholics. Sunni and Shia. The caste wars among the Hindus. Hindu on Sikh or Hindu on Jain and Buddhist. Buddhist on Hindu. Christian on Jew.

The greatest wars of the past century were fought between Christian nations.

Between blood and faith, blood always wins my friend.

As for us, we are just here as friends. No blood. No faith.

The choice is always going to be with you. We are going to be here.

Cheers, Doc

Not just religion, Afghans and Indians are polar opposites in nature.....if no Pakistan existed, Afghans and Indians would not have been hugging each other, surgical strikes of India would have been happening inside Afghanistan. Afghans and Indians are are playing "enemy of my enemy is my friend" against Pakistan........to get an idea, the people with whom Pashtuns ( as well as Afghan refugees) are at the odds the most in Pakistan, are Indian-Mohajirs of Karachi who are culturally people of U.P and Bihar......

Bring Indians and Afghans together at one place, and it leads to this 15 injured as Indian, Afghan students clash at Rourkela NIT - Times of India

[vsdoc]

Not just religion, Afghans and Indians are polar opposites in nature.....if no Pakistan existed, Afghans and Indians would not have been hugging each other, surgical strikes of India would have been happening inside Afghanistan. Afghans and Indians are are playing "enemy of my enemy is my friend" against Pakistan........to get an idea, the people with whom Pashtuns ( as well as Afghan refugees) are at the odds the most in Pakistan, are Indian-Mohajirs of Karachi who are culturally people of U.P and Bihar......

Bring Indians and Afghans together at one place, and it leads to this 15 injured as Indian, Afghan students clash at Rourkela NIT - Times of India

You have just described very succinctly what's the past, present, and very near future of the artificial rump state called Pakistan which was cleaved from two distinct civilizations and shoehorned together in the mythical fantasy of one religion being the ultimate glue.

We wait for things to unravel. As they did in 1971. As they will again.

And yes, we shall help. Where and when the opportunity presents itself.

Cheers, Doc

P.S. Most problems with Afghans in India are invariably linked to (1) girls and (2) rowdyism. As it would with foreigners in any alien land. Nothing special or uniue to Afghans v Indians per se.

To give you an example. In the city I live in, there are a lot of Afghan students in a certain quarter of the city. They tend to stay together, renting flats in buildings and societies that do not have strict rules about unmarried men, foreigners, etc.

Now some of these guys started stalking local girls. In the area and cafes they used to live in. As well as outside the colleges of these girls.

The local boys finally swung into action, and after some "local" justice, the police came in, the papers ran the story for a couple of days and finally the miscreants were sent back to their country.

That does not mean all Afghan students are like that. Nor that all Indian guys are hostile towards Afghans.

A similar bustup happened some time ago at one of our military academies where some of your guys who had come for training acted a bit big for their boots, and were shown their place. Nobody goes out of their way to be hostile to foreigners. Not when they respect the local people and customs.

[vsdoc]

[MENTION=18842]Samandri[/MENTION]

If it helps, we have the same relationship with Iranian students. Indians on an average like both, are well aware of the historical civilizational ties with both, and that both are currently and for some time hostile to Pakistan. So that makes both our friend automatically.

That friendship and warm feeling would vanish very quickly were either one of you to play the Muslim card and cozy up to Pakistan against us - or even neutral.

Those are hard facts on the ground. No changing those.

The obvious difference between Afghan and Iranian student and expat community in India is that the Iranians have been here for a lot longer (way before my college days - so easily 30-40 years), are many more in number, are slightly more upper class/affluent, and are better integrated with the local society and community.

[vsdoc]

From what i have read, usually the local Indians are culprits.......in one incident, some Indian students passed a vulgar remarks about passing female Afghan student, which led to fight between Indian and Afghan students.......and then Indian students gathered the large number of local men and surrounded the rooms of Afghan students.......

India is worst version of Punjab and Sindh......the same incidents which happens in Punjab/Sindh, happen on much larger scale in India ‘Baba’ held for ‘raping’ aspiring Afghan model - The Hindu

Shame again: Two-and-a-half-year old Afghan girl raped in Delhi : North, News - India Today

Moreover India is intolerant towards Muslims, so any self-respecting Afghan soon find himself/herself uncomfortable there.........while the beghairat ones go to "babas" for improving careers

Hmmmm .... you and I would be reading different newspapers.

Seeing as I live in the city, and exactly 6 kms from where the fight happened, I guess my version would carry a bit more weight than yours. You are free to believe what you hear or read though.

Iranians have been living here for decades. No problems. Tons of Indian boy Iranian girl couples. Some vice versa ones as well.

Sure fights happen. Guys fight. That's the nature of the male. And when there is racial and national and local/regional differences, that gets sometimes given added color.

India is intolerant towards Muslims - no. Not at all.

What India is, increasingly in the recent past, is becoming increasingly aware of and intolerant towards a certain type of Muslim, practicing a certain form of Islam.

No apologies on that score.

Cheers, Doc