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[IamDZJ]

[یاسمینه]

@bernard - here you have the link to the poem I mentioned im my other post.

http://www.pashtunforums.com/pashtun...i-habibi-1554/

[IamDZJ]

hey bernard man, could you fedex me a shoe or something?? i would like to hang it by the laces over the fireplace in my living room...it would make a good conversation starter....know what i mean??

[akbarkhan]

Salam Alaikom Bernard,

Looks like the State Department hasn't learnt much from the Soviet era, what do you think?

By the way, welcome to the forums all I can offer you is some e-green tea unless if you want e-shlombay.

[bernardwhite]

here are some more specific questions;

1) how do Pashtuns generally feel about Massoud's contribution to the resistance?

2) here is a dialect question: for example the word "pohayzhee". I have heard it pronounced "pohaygee". which region would pronounce it with the "zhe" and which with the "geh"?

does anyone know how a tribal warlord leader from nuristan would pronounce it?

same with the word "zmozh". I have heard it pronounced something like "zmung".

the word "praizhda"; I've heard it pronounced "prayda" or "praigda".

can anyone clarify these pronunciations for me?

3) what is the traditional Pashtun relationship with people from Kunduz?

[Admin Khan]

Greetings,

here are some more specific questions;

1) how do Pashtuns generally feel about Massoud's contribution to the resistance?

Pashtuns consider him a sell out, and a Russian tool.
RAWA.ORG: The Afghan Who Wouldn't Fight (Ahmad Shah Massoud and links with Russians)

2) here is a dialect question: for example the word "pohayzhee". I have heard it pronounced "pohaygee". which region would pronounce it with the "zhe" and which with the "geh"?

People who speak the Sheen dialect of Pashto, specifically the Kandahar-Quetta tract, use the 'Zh' sound in their Pashto. So they would utter Pohezham[understood], Zhera[beard]. People who speak the Kheen dialect, Peshawar, etc. Would squeeze in a GH or KH instead. Pohegham[understood], Ghera[beard], Pekhawar[Peshawar].

does anyone know how a tribal warlord leader from nuristan would pronounce it?

Most probably the Kheen dialect.

same with the word "zmozh". I have heard it pronounced something like "zmung".

Same as above. From Kandahar-Quetta, it's Zmuzh. Those who speak the KH dialect, it's Zmung. For example, in Kandahar, meat is called Ghwashey. In other parts of Afghanistan, and Pashtunkhwa, where they speak the KH dialect, it's ghwakhey.

the word "praizhda"; I've heard it pronounced "prayda" or "praigda".

Praizhda[leave it] is the SH dialect, and Praigda is KH.

3) what is the traditional Pashtun relationship with people from Kunduz?

Someone from Qunduz might be able to answer this question. We have several members who hail from Qunduz.

[Haris]

same with the word "zmozh". I have heard it pronounced something like "zmung".

The people of Wardak (A province in Central Afghanistan) say de mugh.
As far as I can see, this is specific to Wardaks so it probably won't be that helpful for you, but there ya go .

Admin really answered the other points.

[khushal]

does anyone know how a tribal warlord leader from nuristan would pronounce it?

Torkhum and Graveyardofempires could answer this question since they are from the area.

[Laila]

does anyone know how a tribal warlord leader from nuristan would pronounce it?

They would use the Kheen dialect. Exactly what Admin khan said.

[abubaker]

Alright ...so you are doing research for your role I suppose. And I guess going to Afghanistan to get a first hand taste is a bit far fetched. So I ll give you some pointers for your role ...
When you think of an Afghan, think of lions. Extremely territorial. Protector of the Pride, family, in other words ghairaty. Unlike the english men and the indians, the afghan mind is less propone to philosophize on life. Everything is in black and white. Right and wrong are obvious and a given. There is very little room for gray or doubt. In the wild jungle, morality is as plain as life and death. Weakness and meagerness in a leader is sin and a shame...like Karzai for example. Selfishness and faithlessness in a leader is an abomination ...like gulbudin.
I ll think of more for later ...

makes a good discription of sahabas to some extent

[Prince_Pukhtun]

welcome to the forums

love anybody who appreciates and respects the culture

hope your play is a huge success

[bernardwhite]

some more questions;

1) is there any deciding factor in what headdress one wears? would only certain people wear the pakhool? is there any distinguishing dress for a tribal leader, a Khan?

2) how do men generally greet each other? how do you greet a guest? a friend? kiss on cheek? both cheeks?

3) so again, my character is a nuristani; would I say Pashto, or Pakhto?

from what Admin Khan said, I imagine I would say Pakhto. but I don't know.

4) would I ever use the word "Pashtunwali" in this context; "I am Pashtunwali."? that is to say that I adhere strictly to our code of honor.

[KingKhan]

Bernard,

1) Tribal leaders usually wear a turban. If it's any different then the rest? Am not too sure

2) usually if their related, they greet each other with a kiss. I've never really noticed if it's one or two. For acquaintices, it's usually a handshake and a hug, or a hug and a handshake.

3) Pakhto

4) Pashtunwali, is a set of rules, traditions and values. So it doesn't make sense to say, "I am Pashtunwali"

[Laila]

some more questions;

1) is there any deciding factor in what headdress one wears? would only certain people wear the pakhool? is there any distinguishing dress for a tribal leader, a Khan?

Pashtuns wear lungees, which is a form of turban.

The 'Khan' is usually the elder, wise one. So he would wear a big lungee. Usually its a white, black, gray, navy blue colors. There isnt much of a 'distinguishing' dress between the leader and other tribesman. Pakool is common but not as much amongst village areas as the city like: Kabul, Kandahar (city), Jalalabad.

Is a patoo part of your attire? It really should be if its not. Its part of a distinguishing dress of Pashtuns.

2) how do men generally greet each other? how do you greet a guest? a friend? kiss on cheek? both cheeks?

Guest: Give your right hand for a hand shake. Then place your right hand over your heart and say your greetings.

Friend: ^ same way

Now if it was a close friend, you would be a little more formal. You would give your hand for a shake, then as you give it to them, you give the cheek to cheek concept. Since you dont literally kiss them on the cheek, unless its family. It would usually be one cheek, but sometimes two.

Oh and let me add. Pashtuns do not give only their right hand in a hand shake. They give both hands. So lets say i am a guy and you extend your hand for a greeting. I give you my right hand, and over your hand, i would put my other hand. That is how we do it. And this hand shake is not a one second one, its usually a few seconds. Pashtuns do not finish their greetings so fast, it takes a few seconds while shaking hands. And as you are doing this, you always give duas and not solely a 'thank you.'

3) so again, my character is a nuristani; would I say Pashto, or Pakhto?

from what Admin Khan said, I imagine I would say Pakhto. but I don't know.

Like Admin khana, said. Nuristanis are not Pashtuns, but live amongst Pashtuns. They live with in Laghmanis and Kunaris. And since that region speaks the 'Kheen' dialect, then yes you would say Pakhto.

4) would I ever use the word "Pashtunwali" in this context; "I am Pashtunwali."? that is to say that I adhere strictly to our code of honor.

what KingKhan said

if you have more questions, do not hestitate to ask. We are all here to help you

So your role is a Pashto speaking Nuristani?

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

The people of Wardak (A province in Central Afghanistan) say de mugh.
As far as I can see, this is specific to Wardaks so it probably won't be that helpful for you, but there ya go .

Admin really answered the other points.

same with ghaznichian...we say de mugh or za mugh

payegham, no h