Pakhtoonistan...

[Shayesta]

What's the difference?

As far as I know, representing means speaking out/forming same ideas as your entire qawm, while forming means forming the number of your qawm. And it by the way makes perfect sense, may you get confused.

Probably because I didn't say it?

Then please elaborate on this quote of yours as apparently I am getting it very wrong?

And the marginalization of Pashtuns from the current government has nothing to do with Pashtun support for the Taliban?

I said that the Pashtuns have been sidelined from the Afghan government.

Because of their support for the Taliban, right?

This is not equality, but rather a minority grab of the rulership of Afghanistan.

Next to Tajiks, which other minorities are you talking about? Uzbeks whose biggest character in history and politics named Dostum is as popular as Taliban between Northerners nowadays? Or Hazaras who have been struggling for justice and equality for at least a century?

One or two Pashtuns in good positions does not make the Afghan government remotely representative of the Afghan population.

Nor does the Taliban who are nearly all Pukhtoons.

Washington Post

That's one interesting article regarding your own country as well, thanks for sharing. Moving on, I know exactly whom the USA supported and why, which is nothing new. Though, that article still didn't answer when and how the Pukhtoons have been sidelined by 'Tajik power'? I repeat, how Pukhtoons have been sidelined to their rights, not how they have been outnumbered.

First, the composition of this army is predominantly non-Pashtun; it is dominated by the Tajiks and some Uzbeks.

Says enough about the credibility of the source. If Pukhtoons don't form the largest group then definitely do they form second largest group, followed by the Hazaras and then 'some' Uzbeks. I can even find sources which claim Pukhtoons make up the largest group, another source claims 80% is Tajik, and there are sources which tell the ethnic make-up isn't certain yet.

The army also charges the Tajik-dominated spy agencies with responsibility for some of the ferment inside Pakistan.

Dude, not everyone is Pakistan; Not everyone wants to meddle with other countries! Even if so, any source as to how those spies are involved in Pakistan? Any names of those spies' agencies? Any source regarding their 'interference in Pakistan' and their reasons regarding it?

If the Tajiks saw Pashtuns as equals, they would not be trying to hog the top positions of the government.

And if the Pukhtoons saw Tajiks as equal before they wouldn't have had all the powers in their hands since past few centuries. And if Pukhtoons even today saw Tajiks as equal then even today they wouldn't have been worried about Tajik presence in the government who unlike Pukhtoons don't dream of Tajikizing the nation.

Equality is hopefully what the Pashtuns want, not minority rule.

Equality is what applies to each ethnic's right, not Pukhtoon rule.

The government should represent the people.

But it doesn't and nor has it done so since in particular last three decades; May it have been the Pukhtoon government, may it have been a Tajik government. In 'your' words.

It is better not to invent things that you claim I said when I did not. It makes your argument weaker than it already is.

How can it make my claim 'weaker than it already is since you yourself already expressed the Pukhtoon support for Taliban? Or am I mistaken here as well? Again?

But imo, the Afghan government should be reaching out to the Pashtuns and not alienating them as they are doing.

And this is what you keep failing to explain over and over again; How are Pukhtoons alienated? How? What are the Tajiks (a.k.a. the government, in your words once again) doing which is showing ignorance towards Pukhtoons? How hard is it to come to a straight point?

The more Pashtuns in government, the less Pashtun support for other groups.

The more variety in the government, the more support for each ethnic, the less racist system we will have.

It's the Tajiks in power that are alienating the Pashtuns.

Lemme try and ask his again; HOW!?

The fact that it does not, indicates it is neck deep in racists and power-hungry individuals.

Not racist, just hungry for power and that comes from both Pukhtoons side and Tajiks side and to some extend also Hazaras and Uzbeks. Minister of defense is a Pukhtoon, minister of education is a Pukhtoon, minister of finance if a Pukhtoon, just till recently we had minister of interior who was a Pukhtoon. If they as Pukhtoons can't reach out to Pukhtoons then why on earth do you expect the Tajiks to?

Born in 1914, and educated in France and Kabul, Zahir Shar is fluent in Italian, French and English as well as Pashto, and is known for being reserved and prudent.

Don't miss out on his Dari and listen to Zahed and Mina, I know very well what the sources online are saying. I got Afghan history book in Dari at my relatives and hope you can read Dari to when I quote that line and post it here. There are indeed many very interesting facts twisted online, many. And believe for all you want, the army is increasing with Pukhtoons and your ignorance can't change a penny on that.

Things don't change so easily.

If 'Pukhtoons can lose power to Tajiks' so easily, then why can't Pukhtoons 'fight back'? Easily?

Adminstrations can easily acquire quislings to give a front of ethnic diversity that means nothing.

Then what does mean 'something'? What are you waiting for to read which makes you escape your narrow thinking of Pukhtoons being sidelined by Tajiks? Pukhtoon presence in government means nothing, Pukhtoons not in huge numbers willing to join the army means nothing, ethnic diversity means nothing, then what does? ISI 'facts'?

It is still filled with Tajiks (and the odd Uzbek) in the important positions.

Name me one odd Uzbek. I warn you beforehand not to name Dostum because you are going in a very wrong direction otherwise.

This is because none of the minority groups never really gave up any power since 2001.

[Groups or group? Your replies tell me it's the Tajiks who hold 'power' on the entire nation, right? Which other group forms the same 'minority' then? And if they won't give up on anything since 2001 only (which is equally their right) then Pukhtoons haven't done so for over two centuries. I can't remember any non-Pukhtoon moaning so bad about it?

You don't need to take my word for it. The Pashtuns believe so.

Which Pukhtoons? On your side of the border or mine?

The Pashtuns are a plurality of at least 45 percent of the population and the Tajiks are no more than 25 percent.

ROLF! Next time, look at the writers' name, look at the lay-out of his 'story' and then try to convince others with the same BS link because you will be surprised at the number of Tajik soldiers welcomed in Helmand only!

Tehran Times

So the government is still Tajik dominated. Any shift from 2007 is just to try to camouflage the obvious bias.

Yup, also the changes in Pukhtoon regions after 2007 is biased. Also the increased number of calls for Pukhtoons to join the army after 2007 is biased. Also those Pukhtoon areas who have signed agreements to fight against the Taliban after 2007 is biased. In fact, all that happened after 2007 is biased because changes are impossible, right?

Focus on the spy agencies and the government. They are not ethnically representative. This and the government exclusion of Pashtuns cause the problems.

What is so great about the spy-agencies that you feel bad for Pukhtoons not joining it? Moreover, tell us more about the spy-agencies and their aims which makes it clear why you are oh-so bothered?

Whether the whole nation speaks Pashto or not is irrelevant. It's not an equal political system.

Then explain us what is relevant? You seem to be satisfied with absolutely nothing (nor is a non-Afghan's satisfaction needed really) but struggle to come out with what you want to see and what you think is 'satisfactory'? How hard is to explain just that?

As long as marginalization and unfairness exists, there will be problems.

Exactly. That's why Afghans only came to find out about Uzbek culture after 2001. That's why Hazaras started to flourish after 2001; First Olympic winner for Afghanistan, a Hazara. First winner is talent contests, a Hazara. First creator of home-made plain in Afghanistan, a Hazara. First female activist after, a Hazara. Let alone what they could have done if Pukhtoons hadn't used them as slaves! Why weren't they able to flourish during the fair and equal rule of any Pukhtoon? And if indeed it's only Tajiks who are delivering discrimination by disliking Pukhtoons politically then please also elaborate on dislike towards Pukhtoon rulers by Uzbeks, Hazaras, Nurestanis, Kohistanis, Pashayis, and you name it?; Of whom none has a problem with Tajik govern presence today? Why do they think Tajiks are acting way more fairly than Pukhtoons have all those centuries? Or are Pukhtoons born innocent but yet hated because of ignorance of others?

[Espresso]

Shayesta dont bother your self by explaining those who already had made their mind up on their famous & destructively legendary "Strategic-depth" agenda its like hitting a brick wall as for them one sentence would suffice & that is afghanistanis be it a pashtun,tajik,uzbek,hazara,tukmen,Aimak,Baloch etc , @ the end of the day are all citizens of this great country afghanistan & they are first & foremost afghanistanis.

[amna.]

Shayesta well said.

[ShahzadLondon]

Dear Punjabi. 4 things I want to tell you sir.

1)Welcome to PF. We Afghans are very hospitable.

2)Your zipper is untied.

3)We are not Pathans. We are Pashtuns or Afghans.

4)You as a Punjabi play no role in telling is Pashtuns/Afghans what to do. Its none of your business.

you are wrong, pashtuns are in nwfp and easter afgans, other afagans are not pashtuns at all, tajiks, hazara etc.. they dont wana live with pastuns

[IamDZJ]

you are wrong, pashtuns are in nwfp and easter afgans, other afagans are not pashtuns at all, tajiks, hazara etc.. they dont wana live with pastuns

how many tajiks or hazaras have you had the opportunity to live with?

[Khidr]

As a Tajik, reading this post and a few other of your topics over the past hour, I must say...you guys make the new Tajik/Khorasani ‘nationalists’ (whom I have had ample of disagreements with in the past) seem like pacifists and Gandhi!

You guys would have to be the most confused, racists, ignorant, and ugly people one would ever come across!

I have yet to meet one Pashtun in person who openly spews 0.01% of the racism you guys just uttered out in this topic, but it now makes me question what is actually in their heart, my view on Pashtun’s has been shaped by the one's i know in person and not internet. But I swear on Allah (swt)...if you guys are representative of the broader Pashtun view which they only express over the internet and can’t express to my face...then f*ck afghan-unity and f*ck Afghanistan!

Unity with you guys is utterly impossible!

[Khidr]

Put it this way, my tribe alone, just my tribe can probably knock off the entire Tajik ethnic group, so please, refrain from such thoughts. Tajiks have allied with the USA and the minute the USA exists, The Pashtuns will seek revenge.

LOL You want to seek revenge?

One tiny valley of 10,000 poorly armed but lion-hearted Panjshiri Tajiks broke the jaw of your 50,000 armed rotating Talib army composed of Afghans, Pakistanis, Arabs, Chechens, etc. And you think your solitary tribe can knock of the whole Tajik ethnic??

This time from Herati Tajiks to Mazari Tajiks to Badakhshi to Kabuli Tajiks to Shamaliwal Tajiks, we are wide awake and see the broader picture, unlike 1996 when many of us openly supported Taliban.

It is one thing to cowardly blow yourself up and in the process kill and terrorize civilians and label that "jihad" and "fighting," but quite another when you have to pick up a gun and fight man-to-man, valley to valley.

If Tajiks wanted to seek revenge against the Pashtuns, we wouldn't know where to start and which massacre and crime of your people to start with, but we will let Allah (swt) judge and punish your specific ancestors for their crimes..

But be assured, if you want to "seek revenge" then from Herat to Mazar to Shamali to Kabul, a new generation of natives are ready to follow the footsteps of our Ayaran e Khorasan/ Heroes of Khorasan: Abu Muslim, Said Yaqub Saffari, Saman e Khoda, Mir Bacha Khan, Ahmad Shah Massoud, etc by DEFENDING our people and breaking your jaw and embarrasing you in this world and in the next!

If your "heroic" Talibs even capture a m^3 past Chahar Asiab and into Kabul Zameen, then I will post my picture on this forum with dirt rubbed all over it. You have my word!

[Shayesta]

One tiny valley of 10,000 poorly armed but lion-hearted Panjshiri Tajiks broke the jaw of your 50,000 armed rotating Talib army composed of Afghans, Pakistanis, Arabs, Chechens,

Poorly armed, ha? Didn't know kalashnikovs were 'poor' weapons but thanks for the reminder! And about the so-called Panjsheri resistance, why did those very same Panjsheris flee to Panjsher when Taliban arrived in Kabul? Ehh, maybe they knew that Taliban will never be as interested in Panjsher as they were in Herat, Balkh, Nangarhar, Kandahar and Kabul?; The provinces of Afghanistan?

And you think your solitary tribe can knock of the whole Tajik ethnic??

I am sorry but wasn't that exactly what Taliban had done in the ninetieths? And if not poorly armed Westerners today are about to be knocked then how will their trainees a.k.a. Tajik soldiers survive?

This time from Herati Tajiks to Mazari Tajiks to Badakhshi to Kabuli Tajiks to Shamaliwal Tajiks, we are wide awake and see the broader picture, unlike 1996 when many of us openly supported Taliban.

It must have been your 'openly support' to Taliban which made Panjsher and Mazar biggest resistance of Taliban? It must have been your 'openly support' to Taliban whom you claim has literally tortured every single non-Pukhtoon Afghan? It must have been you 'openly support' to Taliban why ethnic tensions kicked off the second they were in charge? Right?

If Tajiks wanted to seek revenge against the Pashtuns, we wouldn't know where to start and which massacre and crime of your people to start with, but we will let Allah (swt) judge and punish your specific ancestors for their crimes..

Apart from that, nor could Tajiks do anything because if many Pukhtoons in South are still not giving in to over forty plus NATO states, what makes you think Tajiks would make a difference? And if you are wishing for justice anyway, don't forget to curse the Tajik ancestors for their crimes as well.

Abu Muslim, Said Yaqub Saffari, Saman e Khoda, Mir Bacha Khan, Ahmad Shah Massoud, etc by DEFENDING our people and breaking your jaw and embarrasing you in this world and in the next!

Actions speak much louder than words; Compare actions on both sides and then come and day dream. At least we don't need foreign presence on our soil to embarrass those we want to embarrass.......

If your "heroic" Talibs even capture a m^3 past Chahar Asiab and into Kabul Zameen, then I will post my picture on this forum with dirt rubbed all over it. You have my word!

Why didn't you do so when your hero Massoud ran away from Kabul which eventually led Taliban to control entire Kabul? Or are you again exchanging words without any fear as you know that over forty NATO countries are on your side anyway? This time you can't even say you are poorly armed!


Having said all that, if you have read my comments then I am very strongly against division of Afghanistan and Afghans and I believe in forgetting and moving on, which many people struggle with. But if I can put a Pukhtoon in his place who spreads nonsense about Tajiks (which I have many times in this thread), then so I can do regarding non-Pukhtoons who do nothing less (like I am doing now).

[Khidr]

Poorly armed, ha? Didn't know kalashnikovs were 'poor' weapons but thanks for the reminder!

A small valley of 10,000 holding out with Kalashnikov against a 50,000 plus rotating army of Punjabis, Afghan Pashtuns, Pakistani Pashtuns, Arabs, Chechens, and Pakistani military advisors’ and weaponary is not a bad job.

Ehh, maybe they knew that Taliban will never be as interested in Panjsher as they were in Herat, Balkh, Nangarhar, Kandahar and Kabul?; The provinces of Afghanistan?

Taliban were never interested in Panjshir? LOLL Their biggest military offensive was against Panjshir in 1997 when literally 30,000 plus of their men attacked Panjshir and nearly a third were slaughtered and the other half ran away with tails behind their backs. Read up on it!

why did those very same Panjsheris flee to Panjsher when Taliban arrived in Kabul?

Firstly it was not just Panjshiris in Panjshir. Panjshir became the craddle of all Tajiks and other Afghanis who wanted to fight the Pakistani occupation.

LOL Nobody fled from Kabul. Kabul fell when Nangarhar Shura compromising of Hajji Qadir, Yunus Khalis, and others sold off to the Taliban. When Nangarhar fell to the Taliban. Kabul’s only line of oxygen was chocked. Food, humanitarian aid and everything else into Kabul was blocked.

The Northern Corridor from Balkh and Qundoz to Kabul was the other path from which Kabul could be fed, but that too unfortunately at that time was at the hands of Uzbeks of Dostum, who were too busy fighting amongst themselves, and against the Hazaras.

Furthermore Taliban made it clear, that the 1000 rocket per day of Gulbodeen in 92-94 would seem like a picnic compared to what they will do to Kabul.

Faced with a blocked eastern corridor, a blocked and unstable northern corridor and the threat of another repeat of 92-94, Massoud made a pragmatic and ultimately successful military and humanitarian choice. He wasn’t going to sit like a duck in Kabul waiting for Taliban to shell his positions and starve his men and the civilians to death!

[Khidr]

I am sorry but wasn't that exactly what Taliban had done in the ninetieths?

The situation was 180 degrees opposite then when the Taliban captured the north and west last time.

Tajiks were divided, naive and motivated by an unsustainable concept of Afghan unity. Herati Tajiks were not listening to Northern Tajiks. North Western Tajiks of Balkh/Qundoz/Faryab region felt betrayed by Shamaliwal Tajiks for not helping them against the Uzbeks and Hazaras. The Shamaliwal Tajiks were disunited amongst pro-Rabbani and Pro-Massoud factions.

Furthermore, Massoud’s Tajiks had just come off a brutal civil war where they sided with the Pashtuns of Sayaaf and Haqqani, against the Hazaras and Uzbeks. So there was no unity amongst Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras what-so-ever (This was changed in 1996-2001 resistence, where Hazara and Uzbek came under Tajiks)

It was in this context that the Taliban took over. Many Tajiks wanted peace and stability and openly welcomed the Taliban, since they thought Taliban were King Zahir Shah’s men, and would restore Zahir Shah to the throne.

Today, Tajiks are united, see the bigger picture, they know who the Taliban are, we see the benefits of unity amongst ourselves and then amongst the Hazaras and Uzbeks. Furthermore unlike 1996, most Tajiks, especially the young see that calling themselves Afghan and preaching unity is pointless since Pashtun will never accept them as equal brothers in Islam, and they are motivated and armed by the achievement and knowledge of their past, and the idea of the remergence of Khorasan brings a chill to their spine.

If you follow current developments, you would know that the entire Northern front of Balkh is under the strong leadership of a potential successor to Ahmad Shah Massoud, a guy by the name of Atta Mohamad Noor, the Governor of Balkh. He has created a disciplined paramilitary force of 10,000. Similar paramilitaries are being raised elsewhere in the northern region, by him.

The Uzbeks are also under the influence of Tajiks now, the recent parliamentary elections verified this. Not even the brother of Dostum could get elected. All the Uzbeks elected are young, educated, nationalist (anti-Pashtuns) who see that Tajiks now are pro-separation and are happily coming under Atta’s umbrella.

So you my friend are living in a dream world if you think Taliban will go past Chahar Asiab (Southern outskirts of Kabul, close to Wardak) and into Kabul or Herat!

[Shayesta]

A small valley of 10,000 holding out with Kalashnikov against a 50,000 plus rotating army of Punjabis, Afghan Pashtuns, Pakistani Pashtuns, Arabs, Chechens, and Pakistani military advisors’ and weaponary is not a bad job.

First of all his men were counted as 15,000 men with kalashnikovs while Taliban were roaming around with topaks. Moreover, you have got absolutely no prove that literally 50,000 men went up against all men of Massoud and Pakistanis, Arabs and Chechen were included in those 'Taliban army'.

Taliban were never interested in Panjshir?

Even today none else but Panjsheris themselves is interested in Panjsher. That's the reason only five provinces have always been tried for by every Afghan government in order to maintain control over the entire country; Balkh, Herat, Kabul, Kandahar and Nangarhar. Panjsher never has been in that list, nor is because Panjsher can never produce the need all these major provinces do.

Their biggest military offensive was against Panjshir in 1997 when literally 30,000 plus of their men attacked Panjshir and nearly a third were slaughtered and the other half ran away with tails behind their backs.

Since you want to make me believe it, prove it. Any links, sources, etcetera is welcome.

Firstly it was not just Panjshiris in Panjshir. Panjshir became the craddle of all Tajiks and other Afghanis who wanted to fight the Pakistani occupation.

Then could on behalf of those very same Tajiks explain to me as based on what those very same Tajiks justify the training Massoud took in Pakistan before getting involved in Afghan-Russian war? And as a 'Tajik from Afghanistan', the least I expect you to know is that we are Afghans, not Afghanis. Keep that in mind if you want to portray yourself for whatever you want to.

Nobody fled from Kabul. Kabul fell when Nangarhar Shura compromising of Hajji Qadir, Yunus Khalis, and others sold off to the Taliban.

This didn't answer anything at all regarding my question? It didn't answer if those Panjsheris were oh-such amazing resistance to the Taliban then where was their resistance regarding Kabul? And if they decided to keep it limited to Panjsher only then why is entire Tajik 'nation' thankful for it?

When Nangarhar fell to the Taliban. Kabul’s only line of oxygen was chocked. Food, humanitarian aid and everything else into Kabul was blocked.

Actually, since Arabs and Pakistanis were only once who recognized Taliban as a leader, who would provide Afghanistan anything at all in first place?

The Northern Corridor from Balkh and Qundoz to Kabul was the other path from which Kabul could be fed, but that too unfortunately at that time was at the hands of Uzbeks of Dostum, who were too busy fighting amongst themselves, and against the Hazaras.

North and especially Mazar was a mess in itself, it was every ethnic against every ethnic.

Furthermore Taliban made it clear, that the 1000 rocket per day of Gulbodeen in 92-94 would seem like a picnic compared to what they will do to Kabul.

Have you forgotten the deeds of your very own Massoud's men?

Faced with a blocked eastern corridor, a blocked and unstable northern corridor and the threat of another repeat of 92-94, Massoud made a pragmatic and ultimately successful military and humanitarian choice.

Like?

He wasn’t going to sit like a duck in Kabul waiting for Taliban to shell his positions and starve his men and the civilians to death!

Indeed, because he wasn't in Kabul in first place. Moreover, how did he save 'his people' from starving to death then? Curious!

[Khidr]

Apart from that, nor could Tajiks do anything because if many Pukhtoons in South are still not giving in to over forty plus NATO states, what makes you think Tajiks would make a difference?

I repeat. It is one thing to cowardly blow yourself up and in the process kill and terrorize civilians and label that "jihad" and "fighting," but quite another when you have to pick up a gun and fight man-to-man, valley to valley as an army.


Sooner or later, when the American’s leave....the Taliban will have to put down their suicide vests away and come out of the caves in Marjah and approach Kabul and Herat. It is then when the real war will begin...there will be a whole army of motivated Tajiks (and other ethnicities) ready to defend their land. War is ugly, I'm not glorrifying it and this war will be no exception. But unlike American soldiers whose motivation is to just survive and go home to spend the handsome salaries they earned on deployment and live to see their genourous veteran pensions, Tajiks will be fighting for our land, our culture, people and our history.

Having said all that, if you have read my comments then I am very strongly against division of Afghanistan and Afghans and I believe in forgetting and moving on, which many people struggle with. But if I can put a Pukhtoon in his place who spreads nonsense about Tajiks (which I have many times in this thread), then so I can do regarding non-Pukhtoons who do nothing less (like I am doing now)

See I have read over your posts too. You’re no different to the confused, racists that I was referring to. If anything I have more respect for the Nationalist Pashtuns who want a separate Pashtun homeland away from Tajiks and from Punjabis than your lot.

Your group on the one hand preach Afghan unity from a legal and international law perspective and claim all citizens within the present geographical borders Afghanistan are Afghan, and then on the other hand you chuck out these notions of international law when it comes to Pashtuns of Pakistan, by preaching Afghan unity from an ethnic perspective with Pashtuns from Pakistan.


You can’t have both dagha and pagha! You have to pick one...Afghanistan or Pashtunistan!


I have made it clear I believe (or should I say believed) in unity and calling myself Afghan. But I’m beginning to see it’s pointless. You say you’re against the division of Afghanistan but your are too dim witted to realize your support of Loy-Afghanistan is in itself the division of your Afghanistan! You fail to see that your fantasy “loy Afghanistan” will NEVER EVER be accepted by one non-Pashtun inside Afghanistan.


You see the slaves that are the Taliban, as a source of pride, as your “Pashtun resistance” yet you fail to see that the biggest threat to your Afghanistan is this “heroes” of yours. You fail to see that the Tajiks, along with other ethnic groups will NEVER accept these heros of yours and will demand and fight separation.



Finally, let me say the only reason Afghanistan stayed intact in 1992-1996 when Uzbeks and Hazaras were calling for partition and autonomy was because of Tajiks and Massoud, who opposed it and in the process went to war with Uzbeks and Hazaras.Today, these new Tajik nationalists are not Massoud. They don’t call themselves Afghan and they actively preach separation. They will jump at the chance to lead and inspire the rebirth of Khorasan.


The biggest threat to your Afghanistan, is your own people.

[Shayesta]

Tajiks were divided, naive and motivated by an unsustainable concept of Afghan unity.

The trouble didn't really rely on ethnics, it lay on Mujahideen hizbs which eventually led to ethnic division and without even realizing, entire Afghanistan was starting to hate each other.

Herati Tajiks were not listening to Northern Tajiks. North Western Tajiks of Balkh/Qundoz/Faryab region felt betrayed by Shamaliwal Tajiks for not helping them against the Uzbeks and Hazaras.

Same was with Pukhtoons. Don't forget that Najibullah was the very same Pukhtoon ethnic which Taliban belong to as well.

Furthermore, Massoud’s Tajiks had just come off a brutal civil war where they sided with the Pashtuns of Sayaaf and Haqqani, against the Hazaras and Uzbeks. So there was no unity amongst Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras what-so-ever.

Massoud himself had quiet some Pukhtoons in his league, mind you. As I said, it was more about hizbs back then, not ethnic.

It was in this context that the Taliban took over. Many Tajiks wanted peace and stability and openly welcomed the Taliban, since they thought Taliban were King Zahir Shah’s men, and would restore Zahir Shah to the throne.

The very same Zahir Shah who neglected and rejected for Daud Khan?

Today, Tajiks are united, see the bigger picture, they know who the Taliban are, we see the benefits of unity amongst ourselves and then amongst the Hazaras and Uzbeks.

Hmm, and what about those Pukhtoons who also want to fight against Taliban? Is there any space for them as well?

Furthermore unlike 1996, most Tajiks, especially the young see that calling themselves Afghan and preaching unity is pointless since Pashtun will never accept them as equal brothers in Islam, and they are motivated and armed by the achievement and knowledge of their past, and the idea of the remergence of Khorasan brings a chill to their spine.

And this very same feeling goes through Pukhtoons, that Tajiks will never accept us as their fellow countrymen because they are yearning for their own Khorasan. You claim that when Taliban newly came to power even Tajiks supported them, just like Pukhtoons did. And if Taliban decided to keep Pukhtoons under control while ignoring Tajiks, why is this your reason for hatred towards entire Pukhtoon nation?

If you follow current developments, you would know that the entire Northern front of Balkh is under the strong leadership of a potential successor to Ahmad Shah Massoud, a guy by the name of Atta Mohamad Noor, the Governor of Balkh.

I think you are forgetting that Pukhtoons aren't able to enjoy the very same developments because of ongoing Taliban versus NATO war, right? And if you seriously believe Mazar is also a huge admirer of Massoud, then how wrong you are.

The Uzbeks are also under the influence of Tajiks now, the recent parliamentary elections verified this.

Excuse moi? Are you even aware of the ongoing tension between Uzbeks and Tajiks in Mazar and Faryab?

All the Uzbeks elected are young, educated, nationalist (anti-Pashtuns) who see that Tajiks now are pro-separation and are happily coming under Atta’s umbrella.

Really? Are you talking about the very same Uzbeks who voted for Karzai, a Pukhtoon, because their 'figure' Dostum is on his side?

So you my friend are living in a dream world if you think Taliban will go past Chahar Asiab (Southern outskirts of Kabul, close to Wardak) and into Kabul or Herat!

Ehh, buddy, Taliban already is in Herat and Kabul! Get rid of this happiness that entire Afghanistan is anti-Pukhtoon for once and follow the news more often, will ya?

[Shayesta]

It is one thing to cowardly blow yourself up and in the process kill and terrorize civilians and label that "jihad" and "fighting," but quite another when you have to pick up a gun and fight man-to-man, valley to valley as an army.

Today even if a fly dies, it's Taliban's fault. NATO starts bombing places where there is Taliban, Taliban does the same by attacking areas where NATO workers are. If NATO first of all was man enough they wouldn't force every missile through air.

Sooner or later, when the American’s leave....the Taliban will have to put down their suicide vests away and come out of the caves in Marjah and approach Kabul and Herat. It is then when the real war will begin...there will be a whole army of motivated Tajiks (and other ethnicities) ready to defend their land.

And this is where I want an answer. If over forty countries with all the weapons they need, all the knowledge they need, all the technology they need can't defeat a bunch of illiterates called the Taliban, how can you even think of Afghan army being capable of that? Doesn't that seriously boggle your mind?

War is ugly, I'm not glorrifying it and this war will be no exception. But unlike American soldiers whose motivation is to just survive and go home to spend the handsome salaries they earned on deployment and live to see their genourous veteran pensions, Tajiks will be fighting for our land, our culture, people and our history.

And this is exactly what Taliban thinks they are doing; Defending the country against foreigners. That's the reason I seriously don't see the difference between the approach taken by the Taliban and approach taken by Northern Alliance?

See I have read over your posts too. You’re no different to the confused, racists that I was referring to.

A racist person knows very well what he is talking about while a confused person is too confused about his feeling, so stick to one point mate. Am I confused, or am I racist?

If anything I have more respect for the Nationalist Pashtuns who want a separate Pashtun homeland away from Tajiks and from Punjabis than your lot.

So you support people who want Afghanistan to be divided instead of people who hate to see it divided, and yet label the ones you support as racists? Wauw, the irony!

Your group on the one hand preach Afghan unity from a legal and international law perspective and claim all citizens within the present geographical borders Afghanistan are Afghan,

While we have people like yourself who don't do a sh*t for Afghan unity and yet scream Afghan unity if that means bringing down Pukhtoons, while we all know how hardcore pan-Iranian you guys actually are.

and then on the other hand you chuck out these notions of international law when it comes to Pashtuns of Pakistan, by preaching Afghan unity from an ethnic perspective with Pashtuns from Pakistan.

If you had read the history regarding Lar Aw Bar border, you wouldn't ever have made such a ridiculous comparison.

You can’t have both dagha and pagha! You have to pick one...Afghanistan or Pashtunistan!

Dagha and pagha is what an immoral idiot will think of; Our thinking lays with Loy Afghanistan. At least we got comfort with Pakistani Pukhtoons if not their support for Loy Afghanistan, while all you can do is praise your Loy Khorasan and both Iranians and Tajikistanis will spit on your chants.

I have made it clear I believe (or should I say believed) in unity and calling myself Afghan. But I’m beginning to see it’s pointless.

It's pointless because you never try to so stop taking everyone as fool as those who do believe you and keep your lies to yourself.

You say you’re against the division of Afghanistan but your are too dim witted to realize your support of Loy-Afghanistan is in itself the division of your Afghanistan!

Is it? Must be the reason why with Loy Afghanistan none could dare touch us while without the 'Loy' part we are invaded by every Tom, D*ck and Harry?

You fail to see that your fantasy “loy Afghanistan” will NEVER EVER be accepted by one non-Pashtun inside Afghanistan.

That's their choice and nor am I dying to forcefully make Loy Afghanistan happen if that means another blood-bath amongst Afghans. Unlike you who will do anything and everything for Khorasan'e namumkin.

You see the slaves that are the Taliban, as a source of pride, as your “Pashtun resistance” yet you fail to see that the biggest threat to your Afghanistan is this “heroes” of yours.

The biggest threat are people like yourself who justify Massoud working for foreigners, who justify Dostum working for foreigners, who justify Rabbani working for foreigners, who justify Northern Alliance working for foreigners, but gather the guts to ridicule entire Pukhtoon nation by calling the very same Taliban slaves which you in first place yourself admit was supported by Tajiks as well. So who is a slave-supporter now, ha?

You fail to see that the Tajiks, along with other ethnic groups will NEVER accept these heros of yours and will demand and fight separation.

And nor are they being forced on you, just like how you never can force Northern Alliance on us, but difference being that we do accept that we don't share 'heroes'.

Finally, let me say the only reason Afghanistan stayed intact in 1992-1996 when Uzbeks and Hazaras were calling for partition and autonomy was because of Tajiks and Massoud, who opposed it and in the process went to war with Uzbeks and Hazaras.

Partition, aye? Invaders were actually seeking a land for themselves? Lemme remind you that this isn't Tajikam forum and here we would like to see proof being presented, not just pretty words.

Today, these new Tajik nationalists are not Massoud. They don’t call themselves Afghan and they actively preach separation. They will jump at the chance to lead and inspire the rebirth of Khorasan.

I repeat; Lemme remind you that this isn't Tajikam forum and here we would like to see [proof being presented, not just pretty words.

The biggest threat to your Afghanistan, is your own people.

An Khorasani is telling an Afghan he is a threat to Afghanistan?

[ComradePashtun]

Yaara Shaistay, wakh khpal zaya kawi da khabaro ta zaroorat nasta. Aw dwe che har tsa way toolona best and the best and the best of the best answer wort waya che laas mo khlas! Nothing less nothing more. Da mazee attention seekers dee. I am an expert in their psychology. Khodai qasam doomra mandai wo wahi che pooshtana ye makwa. oos lezh pa kheeta marra hum dee aw hawee dagaroona aw halwatake hum zyatee sawee! Booo zoya Talibano sara ba jang wookee!lol