Afghan name

[Nokia_Apridy]

Erlnanger ya Barlangner..............dar kha zka taso har sa

Prakhuwu da PArsiwanu da para

wagora sumra Spak taky da walklu Barlanger ?.....

Mannnnnnnnnnna sta ao da PF drankht da PUKHTUNKHWA da

PUKHTUN da Para bya sanga YU NATION jor shi.........?

[Malala]

Malala, two things:

1) Hard facts don't change even if they offend the sentiments of 6.5 billion people. No one is saying that just because other people are not ethnic Afghans, you cannot live with them with brotherhood and peace. We are the followers of Bachaa Khan, we wish war upon no one.

2) All Muslims are not brothers and sisters. If they were, Muslims bombs wouldn't be dropping down on our Pashtun brothers, sisters, fathers and mothers today. As Pashtuns, we have been stabbed in the back by our Central Asian and Hindustani Muslim 'brothers' yet we are still blind. With their left hand, they use us as shields against their enemies and with their right, they do everything to make us bow to them.

hehe come with proof. I really do not want to say anything more, it is not because that i do not have any arguments left, but more because you are talking without proofs.

pakhto ke waye kana che dwarha pakhe de pa yawe moze ke nana karhe, and if you really were follower of Bacha Khan, why do you use facts which has changed its concept and which is a very big issue in Afghanistan, and this may maybe start a war among afghans? Bacha Khan was a follower of Ghandi, and Ghandi was figthing for peace without any weapon or war.. He used his knowlegde and pen..

Bakha Khan knew what our fault was ( pakhtanas fault) and I think u are a great example of his though. take a chill pill


I am not here to learn you what Islam is or what it says about muslims, but we are all one Umma, a big family. Our pakhtana have been stabbed in the back of our own pakhtana before any other nationality or any other country did. Do not forget the fact the there is no loyality among pakhtana , neither for their country nor for their language, and I am not generelizing but majority is this way. It is the reason other country uses pakhtana to fight against each other, either as mujahid or talib or i dont know what. we cant point fingers at others before we dont se the reality of our own people.

why does other muslims drop boms on our pakhtana? because many of them thinks just the way you think, if they really though of the Umma , than trust me there would not have been any wars.

[pukhtana]

I think the point was Pashtun = Afghan.

Afghan ethnicity = exclusively Pashtun.
Afghan nationality = All citizens of Afghanistan.

[Malala]

Pukhtana: as far as I know everyone know the fact that afghan word was used for pakhton, so you really did not had to make a topic about that, but once again I am totally disagree about the citezens and ethnic. heheh giv me proof.. why is it so hard for you to giv proof.. you are born today but cant proof me the reality of pashtons ethnic for thousinds of years ago.

Jasmine: i would giv u advice, and that is not to come close to my identity. Go and read my other posts, and proof me that I deny the fact that afghan word was NOT used for pakhtana. Please go ahead. sooo please next time you want to answer any of my posts than read my post carefully.

It is very easy for you to talk about my identity, while you know 0 about me. take care of your words.

[Malala]

hehe anyways, I was waiting for proofs from u guys, but i can see no one have any proof to say who was called afghan. and before anything else I would tell u guys that i am not denying the fact , but the consequences of using this word in afghanistan today. I asked lewanai zalmai, and jasmine if they could proof it to me, but none of them could give any proof but once again notice my post I am not against the word afghan used only for pakhtana but more of the consequences...

[ijaz yousafzai]

Malala,
Khushal Khan Khattak is proof that Pashtun means Afghan.

Did you know that?

Dear Afghanlady! salamoona. I don't know about this saying by Khushal Baba. I will be glad if someone post in his own words.
Nonetheless, Khushal Khan Khattak lived during 1613-1698 A.D, and Ahmad Shah Baba ascended to the throne in Kandahar in 1747 A.D, Afghanistan was named as such some one century after Khushal Baba, therefore no citizens of Afghanistan existed inthe time of Khushal baba, as the country was not named so in his time, officially. Khushal Baba, therefore equated Afghans with Pashtuns.In Khushal's time , Pashtuns were called either Pashtuns or Afghans, and Afghan name was not alloted to non-Pashtuns. Only Pakhtuns were entitled to the appellation of Afghan.It were later Barakzais rulers who extended the name of Afghan to non- Pashtun citizens of Afghanistan for political assimilation and milli wahdat to perpetuate their un-hindered despotic rule.The Pashtuns of Pashtunkhwa are skepital to generalization of the name of Afghan for non-Pashtuns, as they were broken from the citizenship of Afghanistan in the aftermath of Durand Agreement by Amir Abdul Rehman Khan in 1893A.D, hence they feared losing their Afghan name. The fact is that the non-Pashtuns are not sincere to their Afghan name and even the name of Afghanistan.

[ijaz yousafzai]

Ijaz its in a book do you want the reference?

Yes, if you can post it for me. However, I pleaded why he said so, if at all he has said so. In his time there was not a slightest notion of Afghan citizen, as Afghanistan was named so, officially much after his demise. At his time Pashtun invariably meant Afghan. The name has been confused, afterwards, when extended to all the citizens of Afghanistan. So now, A Punjabi Jeewan Singh can also be called Afghan if he becomes a citizen of Afghanistan. in my opinion, He should be called an Afghani or Afghanistani and the name Afghan should only denote a Pashtun.This will reduce the distance between the Pashtuns of Afghanistan and Pashtunkhwa, who shared one territory before their forced division in 1893.

[pukhtana]

hehe anyways, I was waiting for proofs from u guys, but i can see no one have any proof to say who was called afghan. and before anything else I would tell u guys that i am not denying the fact , but the consequences of using this word in afghanistan today. I asked lewanai zalmai, and jasmine if they could proof it to me, but none of them could give any proof but once again notice my post I am not against the word afghan used only for pakhtana but more of the consequences...

Malala, history serves as our proof.

In the writings of the 17th-century Pashto poet Khushal Khan Khattak, the equation of Afghan and Pashtun is further confirmed:

Pull out your sword and slay any one, that says Pashtun and Afghan are not one! Arabs know this and so do Romans: Afghans are Pashtuns, Pashtuns are Afghans!


proof
extract from "Passion of the Afghan" by Khushal Khan Khattak; translated by C. Biddulph in "Afghan Poetry Of The 17th Century: Selections from the Poems of Khushal Khan Khattak", London, 1890

[Yousafzai Pakhtun]

Fakhr-e-Afghan Bacha khan in one of his speeches to the constituent assembly of pakistan have pointed out that Afghan and Pathan are the same terms, both used for us, Pakhtuns....He said that the word afghan was given to them by the Persians and Pathans by the Indians.......

[Malala]

Yusofzai and pukhtana ( which I think should be spelled pakhtana) but anyways, rememeber that I don deny the words mening, but for God sake once again i am afriad of the consequences... I HOPE YOU GUYS GET THIS NOW!!!!!!


secondly your sources are to weak, If i was not a pakhatana I would not belive any of your word, but because of my knowlegde I know what aghans are. And I know that it was used for pakhtana once, and there are many before Khushal khan khattak who have called pakhtana for afghans.

That is the problem of pakhatana, because we talk without proofing the fact. you guys are using only 2 sentences to proof the reality, But try to goo deeper if you really want to convince anyone about the fact.

[Yousafzai Pakhtun]

Yusofzai and pukhtana ( which I think should be spelled pakhtana) but anyways, rememeber that I don deny the words mening, but for God sake once again i am afriad of the consequences... I HOPE YOU GUYS GET THIS NOW!!!!!!


secondly your sources are to weak, If i was not a pakhatana I would not belive any of your word, but because of my knowlegde I know what aghans are. And I know that it was used for pakhtana once, and there are many before Khushal khan khattak who have called pakhtana for afghans.

That is the problem of pakhatana, because we talk without proofing the fact. you guys are using only 2 sentences to proof the reality, But try to goo deeper if you really want to convince anyone about the fact.

Hmmm.......Kho safa waya che toot ta dey bakyanha waylee de kana.....i don't want to enter into a debate with you, i just wanted to tell people here that what was the opinion of our great leader Bacha khan regarding the word afghan.....dono chey ta' trey sa' joray....you are still unable to clear youself i don't know what do you want to say.....you told that you are afraid of the consequences....what does that mean....? sa' masa'la da? Secondly these are not my words i said earlier that Bacha khan has spoken these words in his historic address to the assembly....
Da gulo saangey ka' pukhto/pakhto/pashto/pokhto/pukhtu (i don't know which one would you consider correct) pohegey noo daa landey article oloola...I think this contain more details regarding the word Afghan....

د لفظ ((افغان)) په حقله د محققينو رائې:
١. دا کلمه د لفظ اوغان نه معرب ده. اسلامي دوره کښې مورخينو پښتنو دپاره استعمال کړې ده. ابونصر محمد عبدالجبار خپل تاريخ يميني کښې صفا ليکي چې افغان کښې د اوغان تعريب دے. ابوريحان البيروني، فردوسي طوسي، ابوالفضل بېهقي او ((منهاج السراج)) دا نامه افغان بيا بيا ياده کړې ده.
٢. مسټر بيليو دا لفظ اغوان يادوي. چې د آريائي رېشې سره تعلق لري. دا لفظ افغان د انډيکا مترجم کرنډل د سنسکرت ژبې د يو لفظ وران شوے شکل ګڼي. د قاموس اعلام مصنف شمس الدين وائي چې افغان يو ډېر زوړ قوم دے. چې په پښتو ژبه خبرې کوي او دا ژبه د آريائي ژبو ډله کښې شامله ده. د افغان نوم د دې خلقو دپاره ايرانيانو ايښے دے.
٣. چا وئيلي دي چې دا د سنسکرت اپه ګان دے چې معني ئې ((همېشه په کوچ)) ده.
٤. په ارمني ژبه کښې اوغان يا اغوان د غرونو د استوګنو دپاره استعمالېږي.
٥. يوناني ژبه کښې اګوان هم د غرونو اوسېدونکو ته وائي.
٦. د ٢٢٦ ساساني دور په يو کتبه کښې لُر ابګان راغلے دے.
٧. مشهور چيني سياح هيون سانګ د کوه سلېمان په لړ کښې ((اے پي کان)) په نامه خلق يادوي. سنسکرت کښې اـ په ګان د هغو دپاره راځي چې هميشه په کوچ وي. شپږمه صدۍ عيسوۍ کښې د هند منجم ورها مهير په خپل کتاب ((بهرت سمهيتا)) کښې هم د ((افغان)) لفظ ياد کړے دے.
اسلامي دور کښې اول ځل ٣٧٢هـ(٩٨٢ئـ) حدود العالم من الي المغرب کښې افغان ټکے استعمال شوے.
٨. د خوشحال بابا د دستار نامې په رڼا کښې د افغان خطې د مهتر سلېمان په وخت ارخيا د ملک طالوت زوے بيانوي هم دغه لړ کښې خوشحال بابا ليکي چې دا اوـ ((غان)) نه جوړ دے. عبرانۍ ژبه کښې ((او)) معني ده ((ګېر)). اوغان د يو دېو نوم وۀ. يعني دېوګير. غان دېو ارخيا نيولے وۀ.
٩. ابن بطوطه او فرشته هم د افغان نامه بيا بيا ياده کړې ده. په ٦١٨هـ کښې د افغانستان نامه د پښتنو د مسکن دپاره تاريخ هرات کښې سېفي هروي استعمال کړې ده.
١٠. د پښتو ژبې او پښتنو ستر محقق ښاغلے بهادر شاه ظفر ليکي چې ((زما قياس دا دے چې دا نامه (افغان) د دوي (پښتنو) خپله نۀ ده بلکه د ګاونډي قامونو بالخصوص د ارمينيانو له خوا دا نوم دوي ته وئيلے شوے وۀ.
١١. د ښاغلي روشن خان په خيال د لفظ افغان اوغان ماخذ عبراني لفظ اب دے چې د معزز، مړني دپاره راځي. يو اب د حضرت داؤد عليه السلام خورئے وۀ او د بن بخد مورث اعلٰي هم وۀ. د جلاوطنۍ نه پس ايرانيانو د اب جمع ابان، اباګان استعمال کړه چې وروستو افغان شو.

د لفظ پښتون، پشتون او پختون په
حقله د ځينو محققينو رائې


١. د دې لفظ پته اول اول د رګ وېد په پکتها، د اوستا په بخدي او د هيروډوټس په پکتويس کښې بيا موندې شي. د پکتويس او پښتون مطابقت اکثر مستشرقين لکه ټرومپ او ګريرسن وغېره مني.
٢. د مارګن سټرن په نزد دا کلاسيکي نوم پشتون دے. د کېمبرج د ډاکټر بيلے هم دا رائې ده. د سټرن په خيال پښتانۀ هغه خلق دي چې بطليموس يوناني پرستې يا پرستائے يا پارستائے PARSTHYES په نامه کړې چې د پارو پامير سلسله کښې اوسېدل. دے ليکي چې د فارسۍ ژبې پشت، د اوستا ژبې پرهستي Prsthee او د سنسکرت ژبې Prsthe يو معني لري. وړاندې وائي چې اوستا او سنسکرت کښې چې د (رس، Rs) مرکب ((ش)) بدلېږي. نو د دې اصول په بنا د (پ، رس، تے يا پ رس تائے) نه پشتے، پشتا جوړېدے شي او دغه پشتا، پشتي وروستو پشتين او بيا پشتون شو.
٣. ولې کېرو ليکي چې دا لفظ پښتون دے. دا د قندهار د نرمې لهجې په وجه پشتون شوے دے.
٤. د ښاغلي روشن خان په خيال دا د بني اسرائيلو د بني بخت قبيلې سره تعلق لري. ځکه دا پښتانۀ يادېږي

[ijaz yousafzai]

Malala, history serves as our proof.

In the writings of the 17th-century Pashto poet Khushal Khan Khattak, the equation of Afghan and Pashtun is further confirmed:

Pull out your sword and slay any one, that says Pashtun and Afghan are not one! Arabs know this and so do Romans: Afghans are Pashtuns, Pashtuns are Afghans!


proof
extract from "Passion of the Afghan" by Khushal Khan Khattak; translated by C. Biddulph in "Afghan Poetry Of The 17th Century: Selections from the Poems of Khushal Khan Khattak", London, 1890

I will be grtateful if you highlight the portion depicting his saying to the above meaning. I can bet that Khushal Baba has used Pashtun and Afghan names interchangeably for Pashtuns only. He did not mean any non-Pashtun to be an Afghan.

[Malala]

Hmmm.......Kho safa waya che toot ta dey bakyanha waylee de kana.....i don't want to enter into a debate with you, i just wanted to tell people here that what was the opinion of our great leader Bacha khan regarding the word afghan.....dono chey ta' trey sa' joray....you are still unable to clear youself i don't know what do you want to say.....you told that you are afraid of the consequences....what does that mean....? sa' masa'la da? Secondly these are not my words i said earlier that Bacha khan has spoken these words in his historic address to the assembly....
Da gulo saangey ka' pukhto/pakhto/pashto/pokhto/pukhtu (i don't know which one would you consider correct) pohegey noo daa landey article oloola...I think this contain more details regarding the word Afghan....

د لفظ ((افغان)) په حقله د محققينو رائې:
١. دا کلمه د لفظ اوغان نه معرب ده. اسلامي دوره کښې مورخينو پښتنو دپاره استعمال کړې ده. ابونصر محمد عبدالجبار خپل تاريخ يميني کښې صفا ليکي چې افغان کښې د اوغان تعريب دے. ابوريحان البيروني، فردوسي طوسي، ابوالفضل بېهقي او ((منهاج السراج)) دا نامه افغان بيا بيا ياده کړې ده.
٢. مسټر بيليو دا لفظ اغوان يادوي. چې د آريائي رېشې سره تعلق لري. دا لفظ افغان د انډيکا مترجم کرنډل د سنسکرت ژبې د يو لفظ وران شوے شکل ګڼي. د قاموس اعلام مصنف شمس الدين وائي چې افغان يو ډېر زوړ قوم دے. چې په پښتو ژبه خبرې کوي او دا ژبه د آريائي ژبو ډله کښې شامله ده. د افغان نوم د دې خلقو دپاره ايرانيانو ايښے دے.
٣. چا وئيلي دي چې دا د سنسکرت اپه ګان دے چې معني ئې ((همېشه په کوچ)) ده.
٤. په ارمني ژبه کښې اوغان يا اغوان د غرونو د استوګنو دپاره استعمالېږي.
٥. يوناني ژبه کښې اګوان هم د غرونو اوسېدونکو ته وائي.
٦. د ٢٢٦ ساساني دور په يو کتبه کښې لُر ابګان راغلے دے.
٧. مشهور چيني سياح هيون سانګ د کوه سلېمان په لړ کښې ((اے پي کان)) په نامه خلق يادوي. سنسکرت کښې اـ په ګان د هغو دپاره راځي چې هميشه په کوچ وي. شپږمه صدۍ عيسوۍ کښې د هند منجم ورها مهير په خپل کتاب ((بهرت سمهيتا)) کښې هم د ((افغان)) لفظ ياد کړے دے.
اسلامي دور کښې اول ځل ٣٧٢هـ(٩٨٢ئـ) حدود العالم من الي المغرب کښې افغان ټکے استعمال شوے.
٨. د خوشحال بابا د دستار نامې په رڼا کښې د افغان خطې د مهتر سلېمان په وخت ارخيا د ملک طالوت زوے بيانوي هم دغه لړ کښې خوشحال بابا ليکي چې دا اوـ ((غان)) نه جوړ دے. عبرانۍ ژبه کښې ((او)) معني ده ((ګېر)). اوغان د يو دېو نوم وۀ. يعني دېوګير. غان دېو ارخيا نيولے وۀ.
٩. ابن بطوطه او فرشته هم د افغان نامه بيا بيا ياده کړې ده. په ٦١٨هـ کښې د افغانستان نامه د پښتنو د مسکن دپاره تاريخ هرات کښې سېفي هروي استعمال کړې ده.
١٠. د پښتو ژبې او پښتنو ستر محقق ښاغلے بهادر شاه ظفر ليکي چې ((زما قياس دا دے چې دا نامه (افغان) د دوي (پښتنو) خپله نۀ ده بلکه د ګاونډي قامونو بالخصوص د ارمينيانو له خوا دا نوم دوي ته وئيلے شوے وۀ.
١١. د ښاغلي روشن خان په خيال د لفظ افغان اوغان ماخذ عبراني لفظ اب دے چې د معزز، مړني دپاره راځي. يو اب د حضرت داؤد عليه السلام خورئے وۀ او د بن بخد مورث اعلٰي هم وۀ. د جلاوطنۍ نه پس ايرانيانو د اب جمع ابان، اباګان استعمال کړه چې وروستو افغان شو.

د لفظ پښتون، پشتون او پختون په
حقله د ځينو محققينو رائې


١. د دې لفظ پته اول اول د رګ وېد په پکتها، د اوستا په بخدي او د هيروډوټس په پکتويس کښې بيا موندې شي. د پکتويس او پښتون مطابقت اکثر مستشرقين لکه ټرومپ او ګريرسن وغېره مني.
٢. د مارګن سټرن په نزد دا کلاسيکي نوم پشتون دے. د کېمبرج د ډاکټر بيلے هم دا رائې ده. د سټرن په خيال پښتانۀ هغه خلق دي چې بطليموس يوناني پرستې يا پرستائے يا پارستائے PARSTHYES په نامه کړې چې د پارو پامير سلسله کښې اوسېدل. دے ليکي چې د فارسۍ ژبې پشت، د اوستا ژبې پرهستي Prsthee او د سنسکرت ژبې Prsthe يو معني لري. وړاندې وائي چې اوستا او سنسکرت کښې چې د (رس، Rs) مرکب ((ش)) بدلېږي. نو د دې اصول په بنا د (پ، رس، تے يا پ رس تائے) نه پشتے، پشتا جوړېدے شي او دغه پشتا، پشتي وروستو پشتين او بيا پشتون شو.
٣. ولې کېرو ليکي چې دا لفظ پښتون دے. دا د قندهار د نرمې لهجې په وجه پشتون شوے دے.
٤. د ښاغلي روشن خان په خيال دا د بني اسرائيلو د بني بخت قبيلې سره تعلق لري. ځکه دا پښتانۀ يادېږي

Now u have convinced me. finally one who did explained it very deeply
haha last time and very last time to clearify myself about the
consequences. And that was hate to each other in afghanistan. Hate for not being a part of afghanistan... haha Really funny that you did not got it in any of my post while I have written it 100 times.

Did I ever said that they were your words?? Nah kana

[Malala]

Good post Yusufzai Pakhtoon.


Malala,
Take a deep breath love, its just a discussion, a discussion in which we want to learn from you. We want you to share what's on your mind because we value your knowledge, this isn't war hence no consequences. Sharing is caring.

if u really want to learn my love than read my posts before saying the same thing again, because i hate repeating myself 1000 times, and its also indicating the fact that you DO NOT want to learn..

nah information is not war, but as soon it effects your mind it will lead to real war. as soon as ur brian gets the idea of who is in power and who is not, than trust me there is a war. I knew this fact much more time before I saw it here Share somehting we don't know already and which will benefit everyone in Afghanistan