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    The ethnonym Afghan (افغان afġān) has been used in reference to the Pashtun people during the Middle Ages and the Early Modern period. The name Afghanistan (افغانستان afġānistān) is a derivation from the ethnonym, originally in the loose meaning "land of the Afghans (Pashtuns)" and referred to the territory inhabited by Pashtun tribes south of the Hindu Kush and was later adopted by the Pashtun-dominated kingdoms of Kabul.
    The name Afghan is believed to be first attested in its Arabic form in the 10th century Ḥudūd al-ʿĀlam. It likely derives from a Sanskritic tribal name, Aśvaka, used in reference to the Kambojas in antiquity. The Arabic Afġān is an adaptation of the Prakritic form अवगाना (Avagānā), as first used by Varahamihira in his Bṛhat Saṃhitā in 6th century CE. Since the Middle Ages, "Afghan" has been used as a synonym for Pashtun, while the native name for the ethnic group is "Pashtun".


    The Pashtun people were called Afghans in the past, since at least the 7th century AD and onwards. A Chinese pilgrim, Xuanzang, who visited the Afghanistan area in 629 AD mentions about Afghans in Zhob.
    The Encyclopædia Iranica explains:
    From a more limited, ethnological point of view, "Afġān" is the term by which the Persian-speakers of Afghanistan (and the non-Paštō-speaking ethnic groups generally) designate the Paštūn. The equation [of] Afġān [and] Paštūn has been propagated all the more, both in and beyond Afghanistan, because the Paštūn tribal confederation is by far the most important in the country, numerically and politically. The term "Afġān" has probably designated the Paštūn since ancient times. Under the form Avagānā, this ethnic group is first mentioned by the Indian astronomer Varāha Mihira in the beginning of the 6th century A.D. in his Brhat-samhita.


    In the writings of the 17th-century Pashto poet Khushal Khan Khattak, the equation of Afghan and Pashtun is further confirmed:

    Pull out your sword and slay any one, that says Pashtun and Afghan are not one! Arabs know this and so do Romans: Afghans are Pashtuns, Pashtuns are Afghans!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Afghanlady
      Pakhtun mana Afghan
      very true. But what do you say if Afghan Constitution call a Tajik living in Afghanistan as Afghan, but deprive a Yousafzai living in Pakhtunkhwa of his historical name " Afghan".But look, no constitution in the world, can disrobe me of my etymological name " Pashtun". I remain a Canadian Pashtun, Indian Pashtun, Afghan Pashtun, American Pashun and German Pashtun, etc, then why should not prefer to be called as a Pashtun.

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      • #4
        Ijaz, everyone in the world knows what Afghan means. Afghan means Pashtun as this is a historical proof.

        Even Khushal Khan said so.

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        • #5
          Palwesha And Lal Zeeri Lols
          Now you're just somebody that I used to know.

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          • #6
            !!!...........!!! ijaz lala

            Mung la ya da Peghor sra Neqah watralu Zwalanu ka Osegu
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            • #7
              Originally posted by pukhtana View Post
              The ethnonym Afghan (افغان afġān) has been used in reference to the Pashtun people during the Middle Ages and the Early Modern period. The name Afghanistan (افغانستان afġānistān) is a derivation from the ethnonym, originally in the loose meaning "land of the Afghans (Pashtuns)" and referred to the territory inhabited by Pashtun tribes south of the Hindu Kush and was later adopted by the Pashtun-dominated kingdoms of Kabul.
              The name Afghan is believed to be first attested in its Arabic form in the 10th century Ḥudūd al-ʿĀlam. It likely derives from a Sanskritic tribal name, Aśvaka, used in reference to the Kambojas in antiquity. The Arabic Afġān is an adaptation of the Prakritic form अवगाना (Avagānā), as first used by Varahamihira in his Bṛhat Saṃhitā in 6th century CE. Since the Middle Ages, "Afghan" has been used as a synonym for Pashtun, while the native name for the ethnic group is "Pashtun".


              The Pashtun people were called Afghans in the past, since at least the 7th century AD and onwards. A Chinese pilgrim, Xuanzang, who visited the Afghanistan area in 629 AD mentions about Afghans in Zhob.
              The Encyclopædia Iranica explains:
              From a more limited, ethnological point of view, "Afġān" is the term by which the Persian-speakers of Afghanistan (and the non-Paštō-speaking ethnic groups generally) designate the Paštūn. The equation [of] Afġān [and] Paštūn has been propagated all the more, both in and beyond Afghanistan, because the Paštūn tribal confederation is by far the most important in the country, numerically and politically. The term "Afġān" has probably designated the Paštūn since ancient times. Under the form Avagānā, this ethnic group is first mentioned by the Indian astronomer Varāha Mihira in the beginning of the 6th century A.D. in his Brhat-samhita.


              In the writings of the 17th-century Pashto poet Khushal Khan Khattak, the equation of Afghan and Pashtun is further confirmed:

              Pull out your sword and slay any one, that says Pashtun and Afghan are not one! Arabs know this and so do Romans: Afghans are Pashtuns, Pashtuns are Afghans!
              As a pakhtana I would belive it, but as an afghan I would rather have you to come with information from a page which is trustfull. we all know the fact that anyone can change informations in wikipedia, even a kid on 10 years

              you guys are saying that afghanistan was found by a pashtun, but once before we know the afghanistan today ,afghanistan was kalled Khurasan, so how come a pashtun found afghanistan??

              one thing is facts, but the other is corrent situation in world. If we fight for who afghanistan belongs to, than trust me there would be more war and blood, and i dont think any of us wants our family in war NOne.


              Afghan mana Afghan ( including pakhton, tajik, uzbak, hazara, and many more)

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Malala View Post
                As a pakhtana I would belive it, but as an afghan I would rather have you to come with information from a page which is trustfull. we all know the fact that anyone can change informations in wikipedia, even a kid on 10 years

                you guys are saying that afghanistan was found by a pashtun, but once before we know the afghanistan today ,afghanistan was kalled Khurasan, so how come a pashtun found afghanistan??

                one thing is facts, but the other is corrent situation in world. If we fight for who afghanistan belongs to, than trust me there would be more war and blood, and i dont think any of us wants our family in war NOne.


                Afghan mana Afghan ( including pakhton, tajik, uzbak, hazara, and many more)
                I agree with Malala. We need to become united and help our nation. We shouldn't be broken down into sub categories. We're all servants of Allah (swt) and should help one another. Our nations been through terrible terrible years of war due to one group wanting to be superior than the other group. That needs to end. No matter which "ethnicity" we may belong to. As we all know, Afghanistan was a land of tribes. Once all these tribes came together to fight off invaders, it became a nation and as time passed it became a nation state. Whatever way it was formed and came out doesn't really matter anymore. It is what it is. And we're all faced with the question of, "will we help our nation".
                "Do not lose hope in adversity and complain that God singled you out for punishment, remitting others guilty of worse sins. Your present state could very well be His intent to elevate your spiritual station. Or He could just be testing your faith. Everyday that you persevere, you grow closer to perfection. Thus, your present despair may be the beginning of an infinite blessing". - Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jilani.

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                • #9
                  Tajiks and Uzbeks are Turks, Hazaragans are Mongolian, Punjabis are Hindustanis, the English are Anglo-Saxon, a Yemeni is an Arab, an Algerian is a Berber and Pasutns are Afghans. What is so difficult to understand about that?

                  An Eskimo can get Afghan citizenship and call himself an Afghan. There's nothing wrong with that. But he will be an Afghan citizen, not an ethnic Afghan. This truth may disturb your sleep at night but facts don't change because they go against your emotional demands. I can go to Spain, acquire their citizenship and my descendants can live there for a hundred years but they will never racially or ethnically become Spaniards.

                  Malala, Google the maps of Afghanistan before 1893. Afghanistan encompassed everything till the Indus, which means the (now) 25 million Afghans who now find themselves on the east of the Durrand divide. Afghanistan was, at that time, a state where 85-90% of the inhabitants were Pashtun. That is why, those Pashtun tribes were referred to as Afghan and the inhabitants of Central Asia were referred to as the Turks of Turkistan. I'll post more details on this later but I have to go for lunch now. I will have you in my thoughts.
                  "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

                  "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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                  • #10
                    LZ rora ........sta khbary samay khu dai khalko sanga theory jora kray da

                    da PUKHTUNKHWA PUKHTUN ta PEGHOR ao KHpala

                    da Iran na Raghley khalku sra Waduna wakral.......

                    pa da Theroy za WALLAH ka pohgam....

                    bas zka da YU NTAION khbra nashey kedaly...

                    walay chay da

                    PF ka MAshranu Spakwalay washwu ERNALGER lala laro

                    walay da SANGAR da Lasa awo Sangar tar wosa jwandy garzey

                    zka chay haga da A____n da

                    awo Erngaler lala da PUKHTUNKHWA bya ta pam waka

                    sanga ba YU NTAION AWA WENA JORA SHI chay

                    PARSIWANU da para KHPAL MASHAR spakwalay

                    banday ADMIN COMENT WARKEY

                    chay Spakwalay pa arkha yu 1 Myasht Warning wi bya haga Warning Expire shi

                    Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

                    Rabnday Woor bal shi wALLAH chay
                    .....


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Levanaye Zalmaye View Post
                      Tajiks and Uzbeks are Turks, Hazaragans are Mongolian, Punjabis are Hindustanis, the English are Anglo-Saxon, a Yemeni is an Arab, an Algerian is a Berber and Pasutns are Afghans. What is so difficult to understand about that?

                      An Eskimo can get Afghan citizenship and call himself an Afghan. There's nothing wrong with that. But he will be an Afghan citizen, not an ethnic Afghan. This truth may disturb your sleep at night but facts don't change because they go against your emotional demands. I can go to Spain, acquire their citizenship and my descendants can live there for a hundred years but they will never racially or ethnically become Spaniards.

                      Malala, Google the maps of Afghanistan before 1893. Afghanistan encompassed everything till the Indus, which means the (now) 25 million Afghans who now find themselves on the east of the Durrand divide. Afghanistan was, at that time, a state where 85-90% of the inhabitants were Pashtun. That is why, those Pashtun tribes were referred to as Afghan and the inhabitants of Central Asia were referred to as the Turks of Turkistan. I'll post more details on this later but I have to go for lunch now. I will have you in my thoughts.
                      1) I know about every etnic where they come from or what they are, the problem to understand is your thinkingway and many others who think like you.

                      2) once again, one thing is fact, but other is corrent situation in exactly afghanistan. we all know the fact that there are many hindus living in afghanistan, but we also know that their loyality to their country (Afghanistan) is much more than their loyality to Indian, to their language ( many of them are pashton).. accourding to your statement about being afghan citizen and being ethnic afghan, the hindus are only citezen afghan.. But according their loyality they are more ethnic afghan than you and I. No wunder why afghanistan is still in war. No wunder because of people like you..

                      you said : can live there for a hundred years but they will never racially or ethnically become Spaniards.

                      have you ever though of what your grand grand grand parents were from in afghanistan.. in europe we would know our ethnic because if nothing else we would keep our language, or maybe culturer (some may maybe forget it), even if we would spend hundreds of years here, but when u live in afghanistan it is really hard to know who your grand grand parents were.. Now it is just an example but think about it.

                      hehe I know what afghan means and i know when it was used, but do u really think this is a solution for peace for pukhtana??

                      there is this village in pakistan where muslims and hindus are living in peace, so why cant we muslims live in peace too. let the fact be what it is, I am figthing for peace, not for what facts says. There has been many wars because of those stupid facts.


                      Ps: No matter what dont forget that those wars cost lives, innocent people gets killed, and specially our own pakhtana, SO STOP using facts to destroy human beings. In islam all muslims are one umma so try to learn each other, respec each other. I am not here to tell u guys what to do, but more to give my message for peace because I am tired of hearing on people like you who uses facts, but forgets the fact that we are all weak, and that we would die some day, so why don die in harmoni, instead of war and hatred to each other..
                      Last edited by Guest; 09-25-2010, 06:21 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Aseer Jaan
                        Nokia Apridy you cry in every single topic over the same exact thing. Stay on topic and stop ranting. Can moderators take care of him? He is like a broken BBC Radio. Che pa hat topic key da Afghan khabarey kezhey ta raza oh jharey(crying) che ta khpala Afghan na ya, no problem ka na ya who cares? Ijaz lala, Feroz lala, Tor Khan lala na tapos waka hagha tola Afghan dry.

                        be quiet and post related to the topic. Thanks and don't reply to me.

                        Ta wai da Levanaye Zalmaye khabarey samey dry right? Good LZ waye che Pakhtun mana Afghan that means you also agree.

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                        As for the topic,


                        Malala I disagree.

                        Afghan ethnically = Pashtun

                        Khushal Baba verified this claim as well.

                        Afghan citizen = Tajik, Uzbek, Hazara etc. But ethnic wise, only Pashtuns. Just because you are born in Germany, doesn't mean you are a German, you might be a German citizen but you sure as hell don't see Indians who are born in Germany claiming to be ethnic Germans.


                        I hope you better understand now.


                        No i dont understand once again. and it is not the facts that i don understand, But i dont understand why you guys think soo negativ, even knowing that this thinking way would make a big war, hate for each other among afghans.


                        someone is afghan as sooon they count them selfs as afghan. Once again i don care about facts because facts are also made by people. So get it or not brother afghans are all those people who count them selfs as afghan and from my side i would give them all as much respect as i would give to my pashtons Hope u understand it now.

                        and if a afghan born in germany counts him/her self as german, than ther are German, not afghan anymore, if it is what they count them selfs as..

                        No one knows what we were before others called us afghan.. during history people have been called different names, but every word changes its concept. So No brother I am not going to buy any of your arguments for that other ethnics are citezens in Afghansitan, because the word has changed its concept.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by GoPashtunGo
                          Malala,

                          You are confusing ethnicitiy and nationality. All Pashtunkhwa brothers are our ethnic Afghan brothers.
                          Trust me these two things are always together. ethnical ussues are making problems in our nationalities specially in afghanistan..

                          All Pakhtuns are our ethnic afghan brothers, but before that all muslims are brothers and sister, which is much more before

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Malala View Post
                            Trust me these two things are always together. ethnical ussues are making problems in our nationalities specially in afghanistan..

                            All Pakhtuns are our ethnic afghan brothers, but before that all muslims are brothers and sister, which is much more before
                            Malala, two things:

                            1) Hard facts don't change even if they offend the sentiments of 6.5 billion people. No one is saying that just because other people are not ethnic Afghans, you cannot live with them with brotherhood and peace. We are the followers of Bachaa Khan, we wish war upon no one.

                            2) All Muslims are not brothers and sisters. If they were, Muslims bombs wouldn't be dropping down on our Pashtun brothers, sisters, fathers and mothers today. As Pashtuns, we have been stabbed in the back by our Central Asian and Hindustani Muslim 'brothers' yet we are still blind. With their left hand, they use us as shields against their enemies and with their right, they do everything to make us bow to them.
                            "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

                            "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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                            • #15
                              Aseer lala zay(place) haga zwazey chay pa kam za wor bal wi

                              ta Europe ka nast da Makham Rangenu ka mung PF ka spak shu serf

                              da PUKHTU da para.......Za Topic khelaf post na ma da kray

                              no one change my post........

                              zka chay za da PUKHTUN Lar ao BAr Peker waray yam da

                              IRAN da PARSIWANU na..........
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