where did the word "Pathan" came from

[Badlun]

Jasmine
Your second detailed post is mine which you copied from my post in another thread. At least you could give the link. However no problem.

[Badlun]

Pathan is a curse word for Pashtuns which must be avoied. This batan theory or back of boat etc is a baseless myth which does not have any evidence or historic proof. Its based on rumour and gossips.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

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[Badlun]

if the word pathan has really come from Batan, from Muhammad PBUH then pakistani pashtuns as they proudly call themseleves Pathan, will go to jannat....

And Afghans hate this word (so if really it is from Muhammad PBUH), then i am doubtful that my Afghans brothers will go to jannat, as they hate this word (given by Muhammad PBUH)

No Pakistani Pashtun is proud to be called Pathan. Only those Pashtuns who dont know the meaning of the word Pathan and the its etymology or background may call himself or herself Pathan. Where is the proof that Muhammad called Pashtuns by the name Batan? No where. Its just a myth otherwise may be proved.

I reproduce my article on this issue for further explanation. Also I suggest to the members that may write in the thread already existing on the issue instead of starting a new one which is just a waste of time as we repeat the sam ething again and again. In one place we can develop a detailed document on one issue.

Pathan is a curse word, a misnomer, etymologically means robber, child kidnapper, dacoit, its an abusive word, which must be avoided to use for Pashtuns.If a Pashtun is called Pathan then she or he must protest against it because its dishonour , calling names and derogatory. Its racism and racial descrimination. Its a hateful word.

The term or word PATHAN is a misnomer. Many Pashtuns themselves dont understand the ugliness of this loathsome word and use it for them selves with pride. To understand me further please ponder over the following points.

1.Etymology of the word Pathan.

Etymologically the word Pathan means robber, kidnapper of children etc. Afghans were called robbers or robbers in India when they srarted invading India.This is why the word Pathan is more common in use when you come from india westward. In india its the most common word for Pashtuns. In Pakistan in Panjab or Sindh its common. But as you go westward towards Afghanistan the word Pathan disappears for Pashtuns and you only hear Pashtun or Afghan never Pathan. For example you will never hear using Pathan for Pashtuns of Afghanistan.

2. Its use by non Pashtuns for Pashtuns.

The word pathan is mostly used by non Pashtuns for Pashtuns. Very few Pashtuns and specially non Pashto speakers Pashtuns use it for Pashtuns. When Pashtuns have their own name Pashtun or Afghan then why should they be called by a name which they themselves dont use for them.

3.Respect

Compare using Pathan and Pashtun for a Pashtun person and you will feel the difference. With Pathan you imagine a driver, watchman, a non professional or non skilled labourer , street worker, but when with Pahstun you imagine a aperson with a big family or tribe, owner of property or business or a profession.Non Pashtuns often use Pathan for Pashtuns contemptuously.You will never herar using Pashtun or Afghan contemptuously for Pashtuns.

4. CONSPIRACY

Using the word Pathan for Pashtuns is subtle conspiracy for dividing Pashtuns of Afghanistan and Pakistan or India culturally and socially. Its another atatck on their division after their political division.

As earlier said the term Pathan is a misnomer , many great scholars even like Sir Olaf Caro and Ghani Khan has used this word Pathan for Pashtuns or Afghans.The word PATHAN should never be sued for Pashtuns which is a disgrace to Pashtuns. Just imagine when you say I am Pashtun and when you say I am Pathan,,,,,,what a difference in the impression of the two wortds,,,,,Pashtun reflects respect, dignity and honour while Pathan a chawkidar, driver, conductor, illitarate person. this is what I FEEL

I am not discriminating none by profession just differentiating an engineer and and a mason or daily wager. Would you like to be a non professional , non skilled labourer or a professional specialist. Then labours like watchman are typically attached with PATHANS not with Pashtuns.

You will feel the difference of PATHAN and PASHTUN in the lips of a hateful Panjabi when he or she uses it ,,When they say Pashtun you will never feel disgraced but with Pathan you will see a scournful smile. They always use PATHAN to disgrace the great PASHTUNS. I always correct people on the spot who call me Pathan.

I am doing research on the etymology and history of the word PATHAN. Whatever I ll discover about this hateful word I ll share.

I am copying the following from the link

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/all-views/88 ... ained.html

However a lot of historians traces the roots of word " Pathan " to Sinsikrat language(the oldest Indian language). According to these historian the word " Patt or Pat " in Sanskrit means " daughter " and " han " or " Aan " means kidnaper.......

Its Interesting to mentions a lot of my Punjabi friends and their parents have told me that in Punjab they used to scare kids by saying " go to bed now. Pathans are coming and if you don’t go to bed they will kidnap you " Or " if you do this or do that Pathans will kidnap you " ........


Following excerpts from the link

http://gl-es.facebook.com/topic.php?uid ... topic=9282

In reality, "Pathan" is a contempuous word used by the Indians for the Parthians, A race of people with absoloutely no connection whatsoever to the Afghan/Pashtun/Pakhtun people, having only area common between them otherwise there is no resemblence between a "Pathan" and an "Afghan/Pashtun/Pakhtun". No self respecting Afghan/Pashtun/Pakhtun will tolerate the word "Pathan" for him/her and it is therefore submitted to every non-Afghan that he should refrain from using it.
- taken from " 'Pathan' a misnomer for an Afghan" by Nawab Muhammad Akbar Khan of Hoti...........

The word "Pathan" is strictly of Indian usage, and you will find no non-afghan who is not of Indian origin using it. Most definitely NOT an Afghan using it for himself as it is derogatory of nature. -
taken from "The Pathans" by Sir Olaof Caroe.

Pathan was a word used by the Marajah of India on a group of Afghans who used to kidnap the pretty girls of India and forcibly marry them.

[baaz.khan]

My family sirname is Baaz but suddenly people started calling Pathan .
I heard Pathan comes from the word Fatehan than become Pathan and now khan.

[shehram]

Bathan
Yousafzai Pathan book ke shams ud doha leekee che hagha ham da Hafiz rehmat khani na hawala werkarre da
che sa wakht Rasool e na PBUH da wareedal che pukhtana musharraf eeman shwal no Hazrat Khalid ibn e walid ta wayal che da doi misal pa Boat ke da Bathan da BATHAN pa arabic ke pa kishtai ke da lande aw manz hagha Mazbooth lergee ta wayee pa koom bande che toola kishtai raghoonda aw barqarara wee
KEEL ( Bathan in Arabic)



sook wayee che da hagha yahood dee che awal pa wadi Bathan ke oseedal



Almighty ALLAH know better

[Master Khan]

I hated this word for a long time aswell...I mean PATHAN...its sounds stupid aswell

[Abasin Khan Sharzai]

Pakhtuns/Pashtuns, prefere as first to be called Afghans....! Which shows their origins and their proud of where they where, are and will be from...!

Lar aw Bar, YAW AFGHAN..!

[Emal_khan]

Pathan I believe comes from Sanskript word of Path which I believe means kidnapper.

The origin of the names Pathan is derived from the sanskrit word Pratisthana meaning " basis. according to the Bhāgavata Purāṇa also known as Śrīmad Bhāgavatam Puranic texts 9.1.42 Prathisthhana was the master of kingdome.
Bhaktivedanta VedaBase Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 9.1.42

tataḥ pariṇate kāle
pratiṣṭhāna-patiḥ prabhuḥ
purūravasa utsṛjya
gāḿ putrāya gato vanam


tataḥ — thereafter; pariṇate kāle — when the time was ripe; pratiṣṭhāna-patiḥ — the master of the kingdom; prabhuḥ — very powerful; purūravase — unto Purūravā; utsṛjya — delivering; gām — the world; putrāya — unto his son; gataḥ — departed; vanam — to the forest.

Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 9 Chapter 1 Verse 42

another important thing is that the indians, cannot pronounce the letter Kh. If I'm not wrong the letter Kh does not exist in indian alphabet. pakhtun is without the letter kh, patun = pathan.

[shehram]

we have no proof that Patan/Batan word is given by Muhammad PBUH or not....
But my doubt is still at its own place....if really this word given by Muhammad PBUH then what will be the status of those who hate it........?

Think plz

we have no proof that Patan/Batan word is given by Muhammad PBUH or not....
But my doubt is still at its own place....if really this word given by Muhammad PBUH then what will be the status of those who hate it........?

Think plz

There is deference between Bathan and Pathan
Pathan is sansikrat means GHASIB
when Sultan Mehmood Ghaznavee destryed all the gods of Somanath then Hindu call him him and his fellows Pathan
OR patan means in sansikrat mohajir

But Bathan the Arabic word for Back bone wood of a Boat
in another place i read that Rasool e Na Kareem PBUH also call to them Fathan ( double victory)

one get islam and the other Qais married to daughter of Khali ibn e waleed ( Sarah Bint e Khalid )

I only Hate the word if use for GHASIB or Migrated bas

but from Rasool e na Kareems word Bathan is sipirit mean

[shehram]

I hated this word for a long time aswell...I mean PATHAN...its sounds stupid aswell

yes Master khan I agree with you becoz some people caliing like NAUKAR or Chawkeedar( Door guard )

Now here one thing more I got all these from ROSHAN KHAN book esapzai pathan lol

But in the book he wrote that Bakht Al Nasar was the Pukhtoon Tribe name and this pukhtoon name come from bakht un Nasar bakhtun

Wallah Aalam

[Emal_khan]

shehram

when Sultan Mehmood Ghaznavee destryed all the gods of Somanath then Hindu call him him and his fellows Pathan
OR patan means in sansikrat mohajir

I've never heard it before, could you please quote the source of your statment.

[shehram]

shehram


I've never heard it before, could you please quote the source of your statment.

Book :Yousaf zai Pathan
By Roshan khan
written By : Professor : Shams ud Doha

[Shamaar]

I found this interesting. It ties into the whole boat thing, but it's Anglo-Saxon in origin.

The Pathan name was coined by the Anglo-Saxon tribes of Britain. Pathan was originally a name given to someone who worked as a boatman. The surname Pathan is derived from the Anglo-Saxon word bat, which means a boat. In some cases, the name is also derived from the Old English word bate, which means one who contends, but this word is most often found as the root of the name Bater.

It is only in the last few hundred years that the English language has been standardized. For that reason, early Anglo-Saxon surnames like Pathan are characterized by many spelling variations. As the English language changed and incorporated elements of other European languages, even literate people changed the spelling of their names. The variations of the name Pathan include: Bateman, Batman, Bademan, Badman, Pateman, Padman, Pademan and many more.

First found in the county of Derbyshire in the midlands of England where it held a family seat for many centuries before the Norman Conquest of 1066 A.D. by Duke William of Normandy.

Many English families tired of political and religious strife left Britain for the new colonies in North America. Although the trip itself offered no relief - conditions on the ships were extremely cramped, and many travelers arrived diseased, starving, and destitute - these immigrants believed the oppurtunities that awaited them were worth the risks. Once in the colonies, many of the families did indeed prosper and, in turn, made significant contributions to the culture and economies of the growing colonies. An inquiry into the early roots of North American families has revealed a number of immigrants bearing the name Pathan or a variant listed above: Elizabeth Bateman who settled in Virginia in 1685; Robert Batement settled in Virginia in 1635; Elizabeth Pateman settled in Virginia in 1653; Isaac Pateman settled in Philadelphia in 1753.

I can't help but think that some Muslim might have made this and decided to link Pashtuns to the Prophet PBUH. Who knows though.

[Emal_khan]

Book :Yousaf zai Pathan
By Roshan khan
written By : Professor : Shams ud Doha

Is there any reference in this book?