Namak-haram Afghani?

[toughpashtun]

If there was no dispute between Pakistan (Punjab+Sindh) and Afghanistan from the get go, and KP and part of Baluchistan had ended up in Afghanistan.....then Afghans and Afghanistan would have been either neutral or favouring Pakistan more than India. They kiss the Indians in their enmity to Pakistan.

So many things could have been different if so and so had happened,but the point is that in the current scenario , these problems between both countries(Pak and Afg) have arisen and it doesn't seem that the future would be any better.

But you're right that the main reason for Afg's constant hostility has been the fact that KP and Balochistan were not handed over to them which they claim is their land.

[toughpashtun]

Why are you trying to mislead people? "If only".... Please, If Afghans got a chance, you think they will give up Punjab or Sind? The will take that **** too. Punjab was always the bread basket for many empires.

Even Pashtun military commanders from 300 years ago were not as simple as you guys today. Punjab has always been a fertile land, and controlling the rivers of modern day Pakistan was always the goal for all armies, whether they were from west or east.

Your thoughts regarding giving up KPK and Baluchistan are either very naive, or very conniving. Like Pakistan will give up KPK and Baluchistan, and Afghans will just put their hands in their pockets and be satisfied afterwards. lol

Samandri never expressed support for giving away KP and Balochistan to Afghanistan.What he said was that this was the initial reason of Afghanistan's unfriendly behaviour towards Pakistan.Which is historically correct.

[Friends of Baloch]

Why are you trying to mislead people? "If only".... Please, If Afghans got a chance, you think they will give up Punjab or Sind? The will take that **** too. Punjab was always the bread basket for many empires.

Even Pashtun military commanders from 300 years ago were not as simple as you guys today. Punjab has always been a fertile land, and controlling the rivers of modern day Pakistan was always the goal for all armies, whether they were from west or east.

Your thoughts regarding giving up KPK and Baluchistan are either very naive, or very conniving. Like Pakistan will give up KPK and Baluchistan, and Afghans will just put their hands in their pockets and be satisfied afterwards. lol

Shut up paki boy. Afghans dont want dirty sh*t holes of Punjab and Sindh, full of foreigner black Hindu people like you. What has Afghans got in common with Bundjab and Sindh? Nothing. No relationship at all. Nobody not even your Indian mother wants you. You are the abandoned orphan of Gandhi "Ji" and Jawardingdong Nehru, lmao..

It is only you Punjabis that are desperate to try and relate yourself to your former conquerors from Afghanistan.

Learn your own history boy and stop talking out of your brown hole like a typical two face paki.

Bundjab is a sh** hole that was made into a so-called "bread basket" by the British who built your entire canal system for you, allowing agriculture to spread, calling it the "Punjab canal colonies".

Before the British conquered Bundjab most of the land wasnt being cultivated or even capable of being farmed. It is the British who made Bundjab into a "bread basket" for India and the majority of people who were tilling the land for the British in the "canal colonies" of west Bundjab anyway were your Sikh brothers, lol.

None of the conquerors of Bundjab ever gave a crap about you peasants and gypsies. You Bundjabis were just the dirt on the road to Delhi, which was always the real prize for your foreign masters.

[Dost]

Shut up paki boy. Afghans dont want dirty sh*t holes of Punjab and Sindh, full of foreigner black Hindu people like you. What has Afghans got in common with Bundjab and Sindh? Nothing. No relationship at all. Nobody not even your Indian mother wants you. You are the abandoned orphan of Gandhi "Ji" and Jawardingdong Nehru, lmao..

It is only you Punjabis that are desperate to try and relate yourself to your former conquerors from Afghanistan.

Learn your own history boy and stop talking out of your brown hole like a typical two face paki.

Bundjab is a sh** hole that was made into a so-called "bread basket" by the British who built your entire canal system for you, allowing agriculture to spread, calling it the "Punjab canal colonies".

Before the British conquered Bundjab most of the land wasnt being cultivated or even capable of being farmed. It is the British who made Bundjab into a "bread basket" for India and the majority of people who were tilling the land for the British in the "canal colonies" of west Bundjab anyway were your Sikh brothers, lol.

None of the conquerors of Bundjab ever gave a crap about you peasants and gypsies. You Bundjabis were just the dirt on the road to Delhi, which was always the real prize for your foreign masters.

You dirty Indian, I told you that I can speak conversational baluchi, yet you never speak it. I can speak a combination of saraiki, sindhi, and baluchi, but I've yet to see you ever mention Baluch culture here. All you do is come here and hate on Punjabi people. You've got away with it for years, but for all the dumbass Afghans here, I will say it clearly. This guy is a butt hurt Indian that I've encountered on numerous forums before.


Regardless of that, why were all these Pashtuns trying to conquer towards the East? Towards Punjab? They knew that is where the food grows and that is where the rivers are. Water sustains life. But you are too ****ing stupid to understand any of this. I know you are Indian and want to rile Afghans up against Pakistani people, but even Afghans as retarded as they are have common sense. You can get 10 internet Afghan followers max, but in reality most people don't behave the way they do online.


Most people in the real world don't fall for the crap that you try to spread. You are a lost cause troll that still hangs on to this website and account part-time, even though you get nothing from it. You are the definition of a loser. lol

[Friends of Baloch]

Regardless of that, why were all these Pashtuns trying to conquer towards the East? Towards Punjab? They knew that is where the food grows and that is where the rivers are. Water sustains life.

Zip it Hindu boy. Still spewing pakiness from your brown hole i see. Have some honesty and face your own history. It is clear for all, even a dim wit paki monkey like you, to see how crap Bundjab is.

Pashtuns "trying" to conquer 'East' this paki sh** stain says! lol.. Afghans did conquer you, very easily, and humiliated you, for hundreds of years. If it wasnt Pashtuns, then it was Turks and then Pashtuns again, then Mughals, then Pashtuns again, then the British.

Afghans didnt conquer India for food you smelly paki, Which you have never even had enough of to feed yourselves in Bundjab until the British built your entire canal system, let alone feed foreigners before British ruled Bundjab.. You Dravidian pakis couldnt even feed yourselves until the "British Raj". Always starving throughout history or dying of drought one year and monsoon flood another... Poverty is the most consistent word associated with Bundjab from the eyes of every invader that trampled on your crappy homeland.

Bundjabis are such a cultuerless gypsy people with a low class Dalit language they couldnt do anything with those rivers without British tutelage and engineering.

Afghans invaded and conquered Bundjab and other parts of India either for loot, slaves etc or they invaded Bundjab for jihad. They didnt invade because they wanted you around or a bowl of some daal to eat,

Afghans, unlike the British, didnt colonize Bundjab. Afghans just invaded, beat your people up, took what they wanted, and forced you to pay tributes. Turks and Mughals did practically the same, the only difference is that Mughals had to eventually base themselves in India because they were too weak and pathetic to liberate their original homeland from the Uzbeks. So they settled for South Asia, the easiest people they could rule and plunder for 300 years.

Read any history of Temur, Babur, Nader Shah etc any of those big name conquerors that invaded India. Bundjab is nothing but a footnote, because Bundjab was always nothing but the dirt on the road to Delhi, inhabited by impoverished gypsy peasants that fled at the first sight of all invaders. Delhi was always the real prize for all of those invaders.

We never hear of any obstacles to the invader when they smacked Bundjab aside like a sick fly, because it was always a weak, poor, dirty place that put up no resistance. Temur is even recorded to have rounded up almost 100,000 captives from around Bundjab before marching them in chains all the way to the outskirts of Delhi where they were beheaded and a tower of skulls made out of the heads of your paki people before the assault on Delhi was launched.

You pakis should get down on your knees and thank your lucky starts that Queen Victoria, 'Empress of India', conquered Bundjab and gave you a century of British rule, who built everything of worth that Bundjab has, from its roads, railways, canals, The only people who ever built anything worthwhile there that wasnt a grand mosque or monument to a foreign ruler.

Gypsy Bundjabis are too culturless and backwards to have built anything for themselves. Even now they still sustain themselves on what the British built for them and even the names of Bundjab cities and towns still honor the "Britishers" with names like 'Abbotabad', 'Jamesabad' and 'Lawrencepur', loool.

[Samandri]

So many things could have been different if so and so had happened,but the point is that in the current scenario , these problems between both countries(Pak and Afg) have arisen and it doesn't seem that the future would be any better.

But you're right that the main reason for Afg's constant hostility has been the fact that KP and Balochistan were not handed over to them which they claim is their land.

Pakistanis were taken aback when Taliban refused to recognize Durand line as permanent border, they thought they had owned Taliban after giving them so much help.Taliban reminded Pakistani diplomats and military officials that the areas on the other side of Durand were once part of Afghanistan. The whole purpose of Pakistani support for Taliban was expectation that they will recognize Durand line. Khushal is right, Afghans dont accept being owned.

[Samandri]

You dirty Indian, I told you that I can speak conversational baluchi, yet you never speak it. I can speak a combination of saraiki, sindhi, and baluchi, but I've yet to see you ever mention Baluch culture here. All you do is come here and hate on Punjabi people. You've got away with it for years, but for all the dumbass Afghans here, I will say it clearly. This guy is a butt hurt Indian that I've encountered on numerous forums before.


Regardless of that, why were all these Pashtuns trying to conquer towards the East? Towards Punjab? They knew that is where the food grows and that is where the rivers are. Water sustains life. But you are too ****ing stupid to understand any of this. I know you are Indian and want to rile Afghans up against Pakistani people, but even Afghans as retarded as they are have common sense. You can get 10 internet Afghan followers max, but in reality most people don't behave the way they do online.


Most people in the real world don't fall for the crap that you try to spread. You are a lost cause troll that still hangs on to this website and account part-time, even though you get nothing from it. You are the definition of a loser. lol

Friend of Baloch is right, Punjab was not basket of fruit before British period.....you are talking as if there is dearth of rivers and streams in Pakhtunkhwa/Afghanistan. Just in my district, two rivers flows, Gambila (Tochi) and Kurma which joins river Indus. Afghans conquered Punjab because they could. The same Abdali had also annexed large areas north of Hindu Kush.

[Peacelove]

Pakitan establishment or whatever has no guts to stop Pakhtuns and Baloch should they decided to annex with afghanistan..if the majority of KP decided within years Pakistan will break and they can join afghanistan...I might be wrong but i think majority in KP does not wish to join afghanistan in past at the time of partition nor now...There may be reasons but it seems so as we have seen no mass or big pubic support movement for that..
Pakhtuns can easily revolt in army and KP and here it goes Pakistan..
But i think its people who does not wish to harm pakistan or join afghanistan...
What they want is good relation and open borders i think

[Friends of Baloch]

Pakistanis were taken aback when Taliban refused to recognize Durand line as permanent border, they thought they had owned Taliban after giving them so much help.Taliban reminded Pakistani diplomats and military officials that the areas on the other side of Durand were once part of Afghanistan. The whole purpose of Pakistani support for Taliban was expectation that they will recognize Durand line. Khushal is right, Afghans dont accept being owned.

I remember very well in the 1990s many paki so called 'analysts' started producing sponsored articles (by paki establishment) in newspapers, magazines and journals, including Western ones, of the 'inevitable' union or so called 'confederation' of Afghanistan and Pakiland.

At the time there was so much subterfuge and pakis were so confident in it they could openly start bragging that Afghanistan is the '5th province' of Pakiland during the end of the 90s while many thousands and thousands of Afghans were being butchered by paki army led "Taliban" offensives. The truth is that the paki army was directing the operations to seize Kabul, then Herat, Mazar-i Sharif and so on. The paki air force was flying illegally into Afghanistan to bomb the country. They knew that Bill Clinton administration in America would do nothing and Americans at the time were being easily swindled with paki deception. United Nations was similarly useless to act on this invasion.

Benazir Bhutto, Nawaz Sharif and Gen. Musharraf all had the same lust for '5th province' of Afghanistan.

Musharraf thought they had it easy in Afghanistan and were getting away with it on the international stage so could do the same in India but pakis had their ass handed to them when they tried the same subterfuge in Kashmir in 1999. When their Kashmir hoax failed at Kargil Sharif got weak at the knees and tried to remove Musharraf but Paki army removed him instead and put Musharraf in charge even after his Kashmir debacle! Shows how stupid and overconfident these pakis are. I remember watching this stupid Musharraf on TV declaring end to Sharif government and talking hollow bravado of paki army, trying to save face for their failure against India and blame the civilian government.

After the Kashmir debacle Musharraf still continued the illegal bombing raids and transgressions into Afghanistan started by Bhutto until the day of 9/11, 2001. Truly i will never forget that day for many reasons, but one of them was i knew it was going to be a turning point for Afghanistan. Of course nobody knew how, but it was very clear to everyone watching from the outside that the brazen paki invasion that had been 4 or so years was over.

The American counter strike to 9/11 was not expansive or quick enough to get Bin Laden but was still swift enough to catch the paki invaders with their pants down in Kunduz. Bush admin made a severe error to allow the ISI and Taliban to escape from there.

And yet still, after all Pakiland has invested into Taliban, after all the bragging and subterfuge, you are right that Taliban still rebuked Durrand line as a real border.