Declassified documents about Pakistan-Afghanistan conflict over Bajaur

[khushal]

Thats because we Tajiks don't care so much about ethnicity. We are urban people not uneducated tribal nationalists. Many people in Herat don't even know the difference between Tajik and Persianspeaker. For most of Heratis Persianspeaker means "us" regardless ethnic background. Thats why Pashtuns in Herat are so well integrated into our society that most of them don't even bother to call themselves Pashtun and they are as proud Herati as a "Tajik". If you are a Pashtun from Kandahar for us you are a Kandahari not a Pashtun.

You are such an uneducated person. You know nothing about Afghanistan. Its pretty obvious you have never been in there. You even ignore basic facts about our country. Loser lol

So my Tajik friends that come from the villages of Panjshir are urban. He does not say he is Urban, why does he not say that? Did I touch a soft spot. Are you an Indian migrant that adopted farsi?

[Firdousi]

So my Tajik friends that come from the villages of Panjshir are urban. He does not say he is Urban, why does he not say that? Did I touch a soft spot. Are you an Indian migrant that adopted farsi?

You see? Even Panjshiris when they introduce themselves they say "I am Panjshiri" they don't say "I am Tajik".

You kinda owned yourself lol

Most of Tajiks are rural people but our culture tend to be focused more on cities not on tribes. Thats one something that makes Tajik and Pashtun culture so different. Since our culture is urban and we live in an urbanized world, sooner or later even Pashtun cities will adopt our ways. Persianization of Afghanistan is unstoppable. No need to say thank you.

[khushal]

You see? Even Panjshiris when they introduce themselves they say "I am Panjshiri" they don't say "I am Tajik".

You kinda owned yourself lol

Most of Tajiks are rural people but our culture tend to be focused more on cities not on tribes. Thats one something that makes Tajik and Pashtun culture so different. Since our culture is urban and we live in an urbanized world, sooner or later even Pashtun cities will adopt our ways. Persianization of Afghanistan is unstoppable. No need to say thank you.

but he says he is a simple uneducated villager and not some educated urban elite like the way you do. He does not boast about superior culture. I guess he is comfortable with who he is and you have an inferiority complex that has to boast about nonsense to feel good.

by the way good backtracking BY NOW ADMITTING MOST TAJIKS ARE RURAL PEOPLE NOT SOME URBAN SUPER RACE.

[Firdousi]

but he says he is a simple uneducated villager and not some educated urban elite like the way you do. He does not boast about superior culture. I guess he is comfortable with who he is and you have an inferiority complex that has to boast about nonsense to feel good.

by the way good backtracking BY NOW ADMITTING MOST TAJIKS ARE RURAL PEOPLE NOT SOME URBAN SUPER RACE.

Thank you for your contribution to this debate. You won. Now go eat your dal.

[khushal]

Thank you for your contribution to this debate. You won. Now go eat your dal.

Does that make you feel superior. Thinking that Daal is for the low lifes. I feel sorry for you.
Here is some advice:
The Prophet (Sallallaahu alayhi wassallam) said: “Al-Kibr (proud and arrogance) is the rejecting of the truth and looking down upon people.” [Muslim, At-Tirmidzi and Abu Dawud]

[BarakzaiAbdali]

To be honest I'm still wondering whether or not this event actually happened. Why exactly would the Afghan Gov send soldiers and tanks (according to the Pakistanis) over the border only to lose them? Did they plan to capture the area with such few resources? How did they supposedly not anticipate that the locals themselves would oppose their presence? Surely they would have been in contact with those sympathetic of the Afghan gov beforehand?

It happened. One of the Maliks of the tribes who is deceased has a son in medicine that I forged a friendship with. He is a nice guy but a little edgy, confrontational, and feisty. When this issue came up he said "we never forgot what you did to us; don't think we have."

[Samandri]

The snippet is taken from book "Afghanistan" by professor Loius Dupree, published in 1973

[Samandri]

Note that it was not a simple issue. In 1960 a tribal fight was going on between Khan of Khar (an area in Bajaur) and Khan of Jandul (area of Bajaur whose governor was son of Nawab of Dir) + Nawab of Dir . Pakistan was supporting Khan of Khar while Nawab of Dir was supported by Afghanistan. The so called "Patritotic Bajauries" were the men of Khan of Khar who repulsed an Afghan lashkar with the help of paramilitary scouts. Nawab of Dir had issues with Pakistan and after this Pakistan arrested Nawab of Dir and his son, and occupied his territory which was never administered by Pakistan before.

After this ,



Snippet from "Pak-Afghanistan relations" by Dr.Kanwal Kaur











For further details, read the chapter on Dir issue here Pak-Afghanistan Relations.pdf - Google Drive

[Shapur]

The snippet is taken from book "Afghanistan" by professor Loius Dupree, published in 1973

Note that it was not a simple issue. In 1960 a tribal fight was going on between Khan of Khar (an area in Bajaur) and Khan of Jandul (area of Bajaur whose governor was son of Nawab of Dir) + Nawab of Dir . Pakistan was supporting Khan of Khar while Nawab of Dir was supported by Afghanistan. The so called "Patritotic Bajauries" were the men of Khan of Khar who repulsed an Afghan lashkar with the help of paramilitary scouts. Nawab of Dir had issues with Pakistan and after this Pakistan arrested Nawab of Dir and his son, and occupied his territory which was never administered by Pakistan before.

After this ,



Snippet from "Pak-Afghanistan relations" by Dr.Kanwal Kaur











For further details, read the chapter on Dir issue here Pak-Afghanistan Relations.pdf - Google Drive

Thank you for sharing that info, it is certainly goes against the common narrative spewed by certain people who want to say it was a straight forward fight between Afghans pashtuns and Pakistani pashtuns because Afghans hate them or tried to occupy their territory by force, lol.