Kabul Shahi Discussion Thread

[Brown Skinned Savage]

[MENTION=17856]Azad Pashtunistan[/MENTION]

Despite the Bengali Pashtun wannabe and his fellow Tajik Pashtun wannabe alliance cadre keep citing Wikipedia

You can see here that more notable scholarship has actually affirmed that the Kabul Shahi were actually an Indic people as you surmised.

https://books.google.com/books?id=mHLB4m75pisC&pg=PA199&dq=Kabul+hindu++Shahi+Indic&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CEMQ6AEwB2oVChMI5aXu0vSqxwIVC6oeCh3_zwEN#v=onepage&q=Kabul%20hindu%20%20Shahi%20Indic&f=false

It says the following

" A new dynasty of BRAHMIN origin, whose first ruler KALLAR (or Lalliya) founded what was called the Hindu Shahi Dynasty"

https://books.google.com/books?id=DJbmTL8svpwC&pg=PA67&dq=Kabul+hindu++Shahi+Indic&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CEgQ6AEwCGoVChMI5aXu0vSqxwIVC6oeCh3_zwEN#v=onepage&q=Kabul%20hindu%20%20Shahi%20Indic&f=false

This reference implies that the Hindu Shahi were of Punjabi origins

"The first episode relates to the war of the Hindu Shahi King of the Panjab and Kabul, and the Muslim Saffarid Governor of Khurasan"

[Brown Skinned Savage]

[MENTION=17856]Azad Pashtunistan[/MENTION]


Another reference indicates that one of the Capitals of Hindu Shahis was in lahore

https://books.google.com/books?id=apU3AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA597&dq=hindu++shahi+language&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCIQ6AEwATgeahUKEwit5MTE-KrHAhWCzoAKHRCACW0#v=onepage&q=hindu%20%20shahi%20language&f=false

"The Capital of the Hindu Shahi rulers of Western Pandjab was moved from Lahore to Sialkot"

[Bengal_Tiger]

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Trying hard and failing miserably to continue your almost half-a-decade practice of ruining threads by insulting members and making the whole thread revolve around you and your comments.

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[Sarbani]

What Chinese were Buddhist too does that make them indics? I strongly doubt there were enough Indics in Kabulistan to have an Indic dynasty.

If KPK was Indic majority before, why is it ridiculous to believe that there weren't enough Indics in Kabulistan to have their own dynasty?

And one of the names of the rulers of the Kabul Shahis was named Jayapala. Sounds like a pretty Indic name to me.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Awww Bengal, but how did you know I insulted you if you had me on ignore???? ZING!!!!

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Kallar and Lalliya also sounds indic.

[Loy Afghanistan]

Thank you for another great response wror.
I agree the invading arabs tried to erase Pashtun culture but thankfully we kept our Pakhto and Pakhtunwali with us getting islam aswell.

Also I don't think 640-900 was really a decline for Pashtun land we had plenty of dynasties like the Hephtalites, Zunbil, and Kabul Shahan.

Still, those invasions weaken us and the whole region and it did not recover after that. Otherwise the savage Mongol-turks would never able to come inside our northern borders in 1300-1400 century and burn down 1 600 000 million Pashtuns and other Iranian races in Herat at that time.

The filthy savage Turkish-Mongol armies would never have the chance to rape 70% of Asia. You must understand how the ethnicities were before Arab and Mongol-Turk invasions.

There were Iranian races living and ruling from Hindustan to minor Asia aka Modern Turkey. Even part of Arab plateau we had rulers there under large Iranian empires. Arabs came and colonised whole Iraq region and most of western parts of Sassanid empire. Later Mongol-turks came and genocide most of our Northern parts of Iranian races all the way to minor Asia.

So we are still being genocide by foreign parasites and half mix raced baastards of mongols-turks, arabs and now the ghulammi slave like panjabis are trying to do the same.

The thing is when a slave like ghulamii dannu bannu bazingar talks big here it makes the part of my ancestors blood boil. If Pashtuns in porkistan had 1% of ghairat like our ancestors had, they would cut his head and kill his whoore punjabi mother for disrespecting our ancient traditions and how the half raced harami speaks towards pure Pashtun history, traditons and culture.

I double dare all races to speak false about Pashtuns in front me, nobody dares to speak bad about us. I can speak freely about their ****ty history, and even I speak the bad things about our own Pashtuns. I know many Pashtuns that is on the wrong side of the history today, but they to will be punished by not having the luxury to have their seeds spread out in our future Pashtunistan.

[Sarbani]

[MENTION=17856]Azad Pashtunistan[/MENTION]

Despite the Bengali Pashtun wannabe and his fellow Tajik Pashtun wannabe alliance cadre keep citing Wikipedia

You can see here that more notable scholarship has actually affirmed that the Kabul Shahi were actually an Indic people as you surmised.

https://books.google.com/books?id=mHLB4m75pisC&pg=PA199&dq=Kabul+hindu++Shahi+Indic&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CEMQ6AEwB2oVChMI5aXu0vSqxwIVC6oeCh3_zwEN#v=onepage&q=Kabul%20hindu%20%20Shahi%20Indic&f=false

It says the following

https://books.google.com/books?id=DJbmTL8svpwC&pg=PA67&dq=Kabul+hindu++Shahi+Indic&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CEgQ6AEwCGoVChMI5aXu0vSqxwIVC6oeCh3_zwEN#v=onepage&q=Kabul%20hindu%20%20Shahi%20Indic&f=false

This reference implies that the Hindu Shahi were of Punjabi origins

Didn't the Kabul Shahis also speak Sanskrit?

[Sarbani]

Thank you for another great response wror.
I agree the invading arabs tried to erase Pashtun culture but thankfully we kept our Pakhto and Pakhtunwali with us getting islam aswell.

Also I don't think 640-900 was really a decline for Pashtun land we had plenty of dynasties like the Hephtalites, Zunbil, and Kabul Shahan.

Pashtuns haven't had much influence for most of their existence and only became a force to be reckoned with in the past few centuries. Pashtun empires are Lodhi, Durrani, Suri, etc. The Hepthalites and Zunbils were definitely not Pashtun, although Pashtuns have some genetic/cultural influence from them.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Didn't the Kabul Shahis also speak Sanskrit?

I'm pretty sure they would have had to if they were a Theocratic Dynasty

[Afghanfootball]

If KPK was Indic majority before, why is it ridiculous to believe that there weren't enough Indics in Kabulistan to have their own dynasty?

And one of the names of the rulers of the Kabul Shahis was named Jayapala. Sounds like a pretty Indic name to me.

It ridiculous to say that because KPK was Gandhara apart of ancient India while Kabulistan was not it was apart of Ariana and called Paropamisus.
Ahmad Shah Baba had a Arabic name was he Arab.

[Afghanfootball]

Pashtuns haven't had much influence for most of their existence and only became a force to be reckoned with in the past few centuries. Pashtun empires are Lodhi, Durrani, Suri, etc. The Hepthalites and Zunbils were definitely not Pashtun, although Pashtuns have some genetic/cultural influence from them.

Hephtalites were ancestors of the Durranis and also Zunbils arose in the Sulaiman mountains so they were definitely Pashtuns.
Pashtun are recent force?
Ghorids
Khilijis
Suri
Durrani
Hotak
Azad
Shahmiri
Mohammad Shahi Empire
Zunbil

+Ancient ones like
Kushan
Hephtalite
Kambojas

Also like [MENTION=17579]Loy Afghanistan[/MENTION] said Ariana was the core of most persian empires when they lost support of those regions the empires fell

Ghaznavid
Sultan Mahmud Ghaznavi was half turk however his mother was from the Sulaiman mountains (Zabul) and he was from Pashtun land Ghazni. Also Pashtuns were core of his empire.

[Sarbani]

It ridiculous to say that because KPK was Gandhara apart of ancient India while Kabulistan was not it was apart of Ariana and called Paropamisus.
Ahmad Shah Baba had a Arabic name was he Arab.

Ancient India was just a cultural region not an actual nation-state like today. Gandhara was considered part of ancient India only because it was culturally Indian. Kabulistan can also be easily considered part of ancient India because it is culturally Indian. It was not called Parapomisus while being ruled by the Kabul Shahis.

As for Ahmad Shah Baba, even though he had an Arabic name, there is insurmountable proof he was Pashtun. Some proof being that he spoke Pashto and belonged to a Pashtun tribe. Once you find any proof the Kabul Shahis spoke Pashto or belonged to specific Pashtun tribes, then you can equate them with real Pashtuns like Ahmad Shah Baba.

[Afghanfootball]

Still, those invasions weaken us and the whole region and it did not recover after that. Otherwise the savage Mongol-turks would never able to come inside our northern borders in 1300-1400 century and burn down 1 600 000 million Pashtuns and other Iranian races in Herat at that time.

The filthy savage Turkish-Mongol armies would never have the chance to rape 70% of Asia. You must understand how the ethnicities were before Arab and Mongol-Turk invasions.

There were Iranian races living and ruling from Hindustan to minor Asia aka Modern Turkey. Even part of Arab plateau we had rulers there under large Iranian empires. Arabs came and colonised whole Iraq region and most of western parts of Sassanid empire. Later Mongol-turks came and genocide most of our Northern parts of Iranian races all the way to minor Asia.

You're right mongols when they came down massacred allot of our ancestors and destroyed or cities. Imagine if Herat/Balkh/Bamiyan Afghanistan would have had some of the most brilliant cities in the world.
Very dark period for Asians as whole.

So we are still being genocide by foreign parasites and half mix raced baastards of mongols-turks, arabs and now the ghulammi slave like panjabis are trying to do the same.

The thing is when a slave like ghulamii dannu bannu bazingar talks big here it makes the part of my ancestors blood boil. If Pashtuns in porkistan had 1% of ghairat like our ancestors had, they would cut his head and kill his whoore punjabi mother for disrespecting our ancient traditions and how the half raced harami speaks towards pure Pashtun history, traditons and culture.

I double dare all races to speak false about Pashtuns in front me, nobody dares to speak bad about us. I can speak freely about their ****ty history, and even I speak the bad things about our own Pashtuns. I know many Pashtuns that is on the wrong side of the history today, but they to will be punished by not having the luxury to have their seeds spread out in our future Pashtunistan.

Completely agree with this part I can't stand those like Smutty and Bonnu who just lie for their porki masters. I don't call them Pashtun I call them Pathans. However I have extra respect for those in Pakistan who stay true to what their ancestors died for and don't blindly support Porkis.
Just wait when Afghanistan gets stability and regrow to like how we were in the 60s then everyone will see how we really are.

[Afghanfootball]

Ancient India was just a cultural region not an actual nation-state like today. Gandhara was considered part of ancient India only because it was culturally Indian. Kabulistan can also be easily considered part of ancient India because it is culturally Indian. It was not called Parapomisus while being ruled by the Kabul Shahis.

As for Ahmad Shah Baba, even though he had an Arabic name, there is insurmountable proof he was Pashtun. Some proof being that he spoke Pashto and belonged to a Pashtun tribe. Once you find any proof the Kabul Shahis spoke Pashto or belonged to specific Pashtun tribes, then you can equate them with real Pashtuns like Ahmad Shah Baba.

I know it was a cultural region however Gandhara was often considered apart of India because there were majority dards and ancestors of hindkos there. Kabulistan can't be part of ancient India because it it is a medieval state. Paropamisus was the ancient name of Kabulistan and ruled over Gandharis. Paropamisus was an ANCIENT iranic state part of Ariana while Gandhara was sometimes associated and sometimes not. Also the Kabul Shahi were related to the Zunbils which were definitely a Pashtun empire and were ancestors of Suris.