Afghan Empires?

[ghumbasa]

Although thejewish sources make fun of iranians in this article or many such articles and of the king saying that they used assyrian (pagan) practices, for their own rivalry against iranians...but cyrus the great had liberated the israelites from the slavery of Greeks and Assyrians.And they had them settled in medes ...today persia and related regions.

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read this he explains the origin of the names Scythian and Saka

http://www.azargoshnasp.net/history/Scythians/fouroldiranianethnicnames.pdf

Scythians lived in regions were never jews lived and they were descendants of indoeuropean tribes there. They had also not a jewish religion and were Polytheists or Buddhists. Explain me why they didnt worshipped Jahwe and had gods of indoeuropean origin. I dont want to sound rude but this theory about semitic origin of scythians is just bull**** and just a pathetic try to associate pashtuns with jews.

Also the scythians were of native origin in central asia and eastern europe so it is impossible that they are descendants of jewish settlers because scythians had the same culture and lifestyle there like older cultures in central asia. Please show me just one historian,who is not a pathetic jew, who thinks that scythian or saka are related to jews.

Every saka is scythian but not every scythian is saka.Scythians were GROUP of nomadic people.They were NOMADS ...some were natives because they hadcmigrated from era of prophet Ibrahim and Ishaque as...which is round about 5000 to 6000...no more than this.Even in indian scriptures Afridi tribe is mentioned as ABORTAYE...exactly same era.Chinese scriptures say the same.

Post your points briefly...So that i could reply.I dont like to be associated with a cursed nation till theh accept islam ...so drop this emotion.

[ghumbasa]

Wow ..the pdf you ve posted says the same that scythians came from asia via corner of caspian sea...Which is mesopotamia.The oldest civilisation of mesopotamia which is a central point of africa,asia,rome,and related sea and rivers was once ruled by children of israel.And before them assyrians and babylonians ...

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https://archive.org/download/LostTri...l-in-Islam.pdf


Or

https://archive.org/details/LostTrib...InIslam_201307

Read this odf ..it has many muslim and non muslim sources...of arabs,persians,mughals,afghan themselves and western plus jewish historians ....all point to one origin.Many ahadeeth are not mentioned in there ...

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Median empire...You can search Achaeminide empire.

[Kushan Saka]

Wow ..the pdf you ve posted says the same that scythians came from asia via corner of caspian sea...Which is mesopotamia.The oldest civilisation of mesopotamia which is a central point of africa,asia,rome,and related sea and rivers was once ruled by children of israel.And before them assyrians and babylonians ...

it is hopeless, some people are to stubborn.

Scythians are indoeuropeans and they orginated in the eurasian steppe of central asia and eastern europe. I feel like that i have to explain someone that the sky is blue and not green even when he not blind and can see it.

[ghumbasa]

it is hopeless, some people are to stubborn.

Scythians are indoeuropeans and they orginated in the eurasian steppe of central asia and eastern europe. I feel like that i have to explain someone that the sky is blue and not green even when he not blind and can see it.

Dont confuse all scythians to sakas.Sakas is just one group among many of scythians.They were native only after they migrated from the great flood...Some were natives and some were not even if you mention the nativity.The source of pdf you posted is same as wiki has said but briefly.On one hand your own source refers to them as both nomads of asia as well as natives (shows different groups among them ) and on other hand you are in denial.
I am nkt stubborn...i ve searched it for years...not only this but islamic sources as well.

[ghumbasa]

Scythians best era was Achaeminide empire...go read it in detail.Also go for dates and timings that shows exactly same era when israelites were liberated.And in this empire its said that cyrus had natives with him who helped him.Who were some of those natives? Hadeeth says they were also bani ishaque.

[Kushan Prince]

read this he explains the origin of the names Scythian and Saka

http://www.azargoshnasp.net/history/Scythians/fouroldiranianethnicnames.pdf

Scythians lived in regions were never jews lived and they were descendants of indoeuropean tribes there. They had also not a jewish religion and were Polytheists or Buddhists. Explain me why they didnt worshipped Jahwe and had gods of indoeuropean origin. I dont want to sound rude but this theory about semitic origin of scythians is just bull**** and just a pathetic try to associate pashtuns with jews.

Also the scythians were of native origin in central asia and eastern europe so it is impossible that they are descendants of jewish settlers because scythians had the same culture and lifestyle there like older cultures in central asia. Please show me just one historian,who is not a pathetic jew, who thinks that scythian or saka are related to jews.

Bro, your arguing with a troll, this person has been spreading propaganda ever since she joined this forum by trying to align Pashtuns with Jews. Everything she said has been disproven by genetics done on Pashtuns indicating they are indo-iranians, not jews.

Like i said, she needs to take her meds.

[ghumbasa]

Bro, your arguing with a troll, this person has been spreading propaganda ever since she joined this forum by trying to align Pashtuns with Jews. Everything she said has been disproven by genetics done on Pashtuns indicating they are indo-iranians, not jews.

Like i said, she needs to take her meds.

You recite durood e Ibrahimi in prayers 5 times a day...and the durood itself says about blessings upon the ummah of prophet Mohammad saww in same way as blessings upon the children of prophet ibrahim as.Which children of ibrahim as ? Quran says that the progeny of Ibrahim as has been chosen for prophethood...and khilafa on earth...cept the wrong doers.So how come in end times hadeeths are about pashtuns but if they are not bani ishaq then how ll khilafa b among them?? Do you want me post islamic sources? I ll post tomorrow iA.nvm.

[ghumbasa]

Brits orientalist historians have misguided you guys never mind...Atleast go for other sources like persian,greek,arab,jewish to find the truth.Even brits historians have said about some.

[Kushan Saka]

Thank you wror, your right I had never looked into the indo-Scythian empire before because I just figure it was an indian empire. I did not add Kamboja because I wasnt sure if it was an empire or a small kingdom like Gandhara. However the Kambojas are one of my of my favorites in Afghan history since they were the ones that injured Alexander the Great in my province Kunar lol.

the name indo-scythian is a bit confusing but this Saka were originally from central asia and Afghanistan. They invaded india and had several kingdoms there but it was not an indian empire in the strict sense because the saka were not indians and many of their kingdoms were in modern afghanistan and areas of Pakistan where today pashtuns live.

The kamboja were also quite interesting. The kamboja who invaded india and settled there where assimilated as Kshatriya but the kamboja who stayed in afghanistan and Pakistan preserved their language and identity. They very likely belong to the ancestors of many pashtuns and dominated most areas where today pashtuns live. Maybe they already spoke some kind of proto-pashto but i am not sure about that

[Bengal_Tiger]

Related thread:

Pashto and Sakas

George Morgenstierne on Pashto : “Pashto is an Eastern Iranian language that was brought from Bactrus( Bactra--modern Balkh) to southern Afghanistan. Its speakers were Sakas who migrated to Siestan (Sakistan) in 2nd Century B.C. Before this, Pashto and other Saka dialects like Pamiri, in particular Munji and Yadgha, were spoken in the same style. Moreover, it had a close affinity with Ephtalite and Kushanian languages. Proto Pashto had a very close affinity with Avesta but was more intimately linked to Saka. It seems that after its early phase in Pamir and Balakh, Pashto completed its middle phase (Middle Pashto) in Siestan, Helmand, Ghor, and Arachoazia (Kandahar) and modern phase (Modern Pashto) in Kasi Ghar (Suleiman Mountains). There is two surviving modern languages closest to Scythian are Ossetian in the Caucasus mountains and Pashto in Afghanistan."

[Samandri]

The first Afghan empire was established by Khiljis (Ghilzais), they ruled India from 1290 to 1320 AD. There is some controversy regarding the exact origin of Khilji rulers of India as some historians assert them to be Turks or Afghanized Turks but contemporary historians like Siraj And Barani, cleared that Khajis didnt belong to the race of Turks and that turks lost the empire after ascendancy of Jalaludin Khilji. Khushal Khan Khattak mentions Jalaludin Khilji as Afghan from wilayat-e-ghilzai.

Khiljis or Ghilzais and other Afghan tribes were part of Mahumd Ghaznavi armies. Khiljis are coupled with Afghans and we are told by historians of that time, that Ghorid army was largely made of Khiljis and Afghans while Turk slaves were a minority but with more influence. These Khilji and Afghan mercenaries were King-makers and with the help of their military support, the Slave Turk Sultans were able to establish first Islamic rule on India. One Bakhtiar Khilji conquered Bihar and Bengal for Aibak.

Khiljis also ruled Malwa from 1434 to 1531 AD as a separate kingdom.

Lodi Empire
Lodi Empire was the second Afghan empire and first for some. There is no controversy about their origin, they were Pashtuns. Lodis were part of the Ghaznavi and Ghorid armies. They rose to prominence in the reign of Tughlaqs. Malik Shah Lodi was a deputy governor of Multan under Muhammad Bin Tughlaq. He rebelled and captured Multan for himself with the help of his Afghan soldiers , the event cause the Sultan to march in person to deal with rebellion.

In the reign of Feroz Shah Tughlaq, Zafar Khan Lodi was appointed governor of Gujarat. At the time of invasion of Timur in 1398, Mallu Iqbal Khan Lodi was the Wazir of Tuglaq Empire while his brother was sarang Khan was governor of Lahore and Dipalpur. in 1412 , the Tughlaq nobles appointed Daulat Khan Lodi as new Sultan , in 1414 Syed Khizr Khan ousted him. Under Sayyids , Malik Suliaman Lodi was great noble of Multan, Sultan Shah Lodi and later Bahlol lodi were the governors of Sirhind, while Sumbhal was in possession of Darya Khan Lodi. Another important Lodi noble under Sayyids was Allahabad Kaka Lodi who governed Multan. So Lodis were already powerful in Sayyid Kingdom before ascendancy of Bahlol Lodi.

Lodis ruled Northern India for a quarter of century and restored the dignity of Delhi sultanate. With the Lodi confederation of tribes, the rulers were from prangi tribe. Lohanis/Nuhanis, Farmulis, Kakars, Bettanis, Sarwanis Pannis, and some other kin tribes assisted Prangis, the ruling family.

Sur Empire
They belonged to Lodi confederation of tribes and were kin of Prangis who produced three lodi sultans from 1451 to 1526 AD.

Sur was a small tribe and largely depended on other tribes. Niazis, Nuhanis, Karranis, Kakars provided the bulk of support to Surs. They were not prominent ones before rise of Sher Shah Suri.

Karrani Sultanate
Taj Khan Karrani, an ex-officer of Islam Shah Suri , captured bihar and west bengal in 1562-3 and captured rest of Bengal in 1564. His son Suliaman Karrani, conquered Orissa in 1568 AD. The dynasty was short-lived, and ended in 1576 AD when Mughals defeated Daud Karrani. But the Lohani governors of orissa continued to rule till 1593 AD while in Bengal , Afghans troubled the Mughals as late as 1614 AD.

Swati dyansty of Kashmir
Shah Mir Swati was from Swat, belonged to swati tribe (nowadays in Masehra and Batagram) established first islamic rule over Kashmir in 1339 AD. The family ruled Kashmir till 1651 AD.

Hotaki Empire

Durrani Empire


Some Small states and principalities founded by Pashtuns

1-Bangash state of farrukhabad (1714-1857)
2- Rohilkhand (1710-1774)
3- Rampur (1774-1947)
4- Bhopal, Pathari and Kurwai states of Orakzai rulers
5- Kasur principality of Kheshgi Afghans
6- Maler Kotla state of Sherwani Afghans
8- Junagadh ,Radhanpur ,and Balasinor states of Babi Afghans
9- Savanur and Cudappah states of Miyana Afghans
10- Karnool state of Panni Afghans
11- Tonk state of Yusufzai Afghans
12- Jhajjar state of Barech Afghans
13- Dir state
14- Swat state
15- Jaora State
16- Palanpur state of Lohani Afghans