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  • #16
    The following hadith clearly tells that the Romans are from a totally different lineage than the Arabs and jews.(children of Ibrahim as who was from progeny of Sam/Shem).

    حدثنا بشر بن معاذ العقدي بصري حدثنا يزيد بن زريع عن سعيد بن أبي عروبة عن قتادة عن الحسن عن سمرة بن جندب أن رسول الله صلی الله عليه وسلم قال سام أبو العرب ويافث أبو الروم وحام أبو الحبش قال أبو عيسی هذا حديث حسن ويقال يافث ويافت ويفت. جامع ترمذی
    بشر بن معاذ عقدی، یزید بن زیع، سعید بن ابی عروبہ، قتادة، حسن، حضرت سمرہ بن جندب رضی اللہ تعالیٰ عنہ سے روایت ہے کہ رسول اللہ صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم نے فرمایا سام عرب کے باپ، یافث رومیوں کے باپ اور حام حبشیوں کے باپ ہیں۔ یہ حدیث حسن ہے اور یافث کو یافت یعنی یفت بھی کہتے ہیں۔ جامع ترمذی:جلد دوم:حدیث نمبر 1903

    Sayyidina Samurah ibn Jundub (RA) reported that Allah’s Messenger (SAW) said, “Saam was the father of the Arabs, Yaafith of the Romans and Haam of the Ethiopians.”(Jamia Tiridhi,Vol 2,Hadith 1903)

    حدثنا بشر بن معاذ العقدي حدثنا يزيد بن زريع عن سعيد بن أبي عروبة عن قتادة عن الحسن عن سمرة عن النبي صلی الله عليه وسلم قال سام أبو العرب وحام أبو الحبش ويافث أبو الروم. جامع ترمذی
    بشر بن معاذ عقدی، یزید بن زریع، سعید بن ابی عروبة، قتادة، حسن، حضرت سمرہ رضی اللہ عنہ نبی اکرم صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم سے نقل کرتے ہیں کہ سام عرب کا باپ، حام حبشیوں کا باپ اور یافث رومیوں کا باپ ہے۔ جامع ترمذی:جلد دوم:حدیث نمبر 1179

    Sayyidina Samurah (RA) reported from the Prophet (SALALLAHO ALAYHAY WA SALLAM) that he said, “Saam was the father of the Arab, Haam the father of the Ethiopians and Yaafith of the Romans.” Jamia Tirimzi,Vol 2,Hadith 1179Note: Saam,Haam & Yaafith are the 3 sons of Prophet Noah and Prophet Noah is the ancestor of Prophet Ibrahim.

    حدثنا روح من كتابه حدثنا سعيد بن أبي عروبة عن قتادة قال حدث الحسن عن سمرة أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قال سام أبو العرب ويافث أبو الروم وحام أبو الحبش وقال روح ببغداد من حفظه ولد نوح ثلاثة سام وحام ويافث. مسند احمد:
    حضرت سمرہ رضی اللہ عنہ سے مروی ہے کہ نبی علیہ السلام نے ارشاد فرمایا سام اہل عرب کا مورث اعلی ہے، یافث رومیوں کا مورث اعلی اور حام حبش کا مورث اعلی ہے ۔ مسند احمد:جلد نہم:حدیث نمبر 329

    Sayyidina Samurah (RA) reported from the Prophet (SALALLAHO ALAYHAY WA SALLAM) that he said, “Saam was the father of the Arab, “Yafith” the father of the Romans and “Haam” the father of the Ethiopians. And the narrater called “Rooh” said in the city of Baghdad that Prophet Noah has 3 sons, namely, “Saam”, “Haam” and “Yafith”. (Masnad Ahmad,Vol 9,Hadith 329)

    Note: Saam,Haam & Yaafith are the 3 sons of Prophet Noah.The above ahadith clearly tells that Romans are not from the off springs of Prpohet Ibraheem like the Arabs but are from an entirely different lineage than the Arabs.
    So how can the Romans be called the Children of Isaac??????

    Only connection of romans to children of israel is via jews that have married them.
    sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

    And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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    • #17
      Scythian is a general term applied to nomads living on the northern shores of Black Sea. Herodotus spoke in his 4. Book about Scythians detailed. Scythians used to communicate eachother using seven (7) different translators.

      [1.201] When Cyrus had achieved the conquest of the Babylonians, he conceived the desire of bringing the Massagetae under his dominion. Now the Massagetae are said to be a great and warlike nation, dwelling eastward, toward the rising of the sun, beyond the river Araxes, and opposite the Issedones. By many they are regarded as a Scythian race.
      By herodotus..in his book cyrus the great.

      sakas weren then called as iranian people.


      Iranian or more precisely indo-iranians is a broad linguistic group in which various ethnicities are included e.g iranis, pakhtuns, kurds, ossestiations, baloch etc. Here irani nationals are not some kind of standards and rest of indo-iranians are to be compared. If you ask me about purity of pashtuns then i dont know how to measure racial purity... There are certain groups which are considered mixed which resulted from admixtures of various groups e.g punjabis and hindkowans or urdu speakers are admixtures of various ethnicities and castes...but pashtuns are like one big family, all of the tribes are related to each other...we pashtuns also have arabs, gujjars, shiekhs etc among us but they are not considered "true pashtuns"...so i guess we are only group in the region which has maintained such distinct tribal lineage...more like arabs...
      The Proto-Indo-Europeans lived around the Black Sea basin, until they spread leaving descendents behind such as the Celts, Illyrians, Germanics, Slvas, Batls, Iranics (which Scythians belong to), Indo-Aryans (which Punjabis, Sindhis etc. belong to).



      Indeed the languages spoken today such as English, Urdu, Punjabi are all derived from the Proto-Indo-European language (known as PIE for short) span from Iceland to the bay of Bengal and later on the Americas and the pacific (Australia, new Zealand etc.). Scythians were merely a part of the Indo-European family, nothing more. Scythian was an Iranic language.



      Ossestians are most likely indigenous Caucasian people like the Circassians, Chechens, Georgians etc. but switched to an Iranic language. Like the Azeris, they are mostly Turkic by language, but not racially of Turko-Mongol descent, they are native Caucasians.
      sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

      And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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      • #18
        At the time of Zulkarnain pashtuns were there in af pak regions.Their history in those regions is roundabout 5000 old.They travelled in different waves and in different timings via different routes to af pak regions.
        sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

        And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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        • #19
          ^Stop spreading false propaganda, nobody is taking you seriously.
          "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

          -Old Pashtun proverb




          "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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          • #20
            Surah e Anfal:

            "And for every nation is a [specified] term. So when their time has come, they will not remain behind an hour, nor will they precede [it]." (Al araf)


            "And do not sit on every path, threatening and averting from the way of Allah those who believe in Him, seeking to make it [seem] deviant. And remember when you were few and He increased you. And see how was the end of the corrupters."


            "Those who denied Shu'ayb - it was as though they had never resided there. Those who denied Shu'ayb - it was they who were the losers." (al araf)


            "Then did they feel secure from the plan of Allah ? But no one feels secure from the plan of Allah except the losing people." (al araf)


            "They said, "O Moses, either you throw [your staff], or we will be the ones to throw [first].


            "He said, "Throw," and when they threw, they bewitched the eyes of the people and struck terror into them, and they presented a great [feat of] magic."


            "And We caused the people who had been oppressed to inherit the eastern regions of the land and the western ones, which We had blessed. And the good word of your Lord was fulfilled for the Children of Israel because of what they had patiently endured. And We destroyed [all] that Pharaoh and his people were producing and what they had been building."

            "And We took the Children of Israel across the sea; then they came upon a people intent in devotion to [some] idols of theirs. They said, "O Moses, make for us a god just as they have gods." He said, "Indeed, you are a people behaving ignorantly."




            "Indeed, those [worshippers] - destroyed is that in which they are [engaged], and worthless is whatever they were doing."


            "Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet (mohammad**), whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful."



            "Say, [O Muhammad], "O mankind, indeed I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, [from Him] to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. There is no deity except Him; He gives life and causes death." So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered prophet, who believes in Allah and His words, and follow him that you may be guided."

            "And among the people of Moses is a community which guides by truth and by it establishes justice."


            "But those who wronged among them changed [the words] to a statement other than that which had been said to them. So We sent upon them a punishment from the sky for the wrong that they were doing."

            "And if We had willed, we could have elevated him thereby, but he(satan) adhered [instead] to the earth and followed his own desire. So his example is like that of the dog: if you chase him, he pants, or if you leave him, he [still] pants. That is the example of the people who denied Our signs. So relate the stories that perhaps they will give thought."


            "And We have certainly created for Hell many of the jinn and mankind. They have hearts with which they do not understand, they have eyes with which they do not see, and they have ears with which they do not hear. Those are like livestock; rather, they are more astray. It is they who are the heedless." (al araf).


            A man asked ash-Shafi'i, "O Abu 'Abdillah! Which is better for a person, to gain power or to be afflicted?" So ash-Shafi'i said, "One will not gain power until he is afflicted. For indeed Allah afflicted Nuh as,Ibrahim as, Musaas , 'Isa as and Muhammad*saww, may the salawat of Allah and salam be upon them all. So when they were patient, they gained power, so let not anyone think at all that he is free from pain." [Madarij as-Salikin by Ibn al-Qayyim 2/283]
            sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

            And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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            • #21
              "And among the people of Moses is a community which guides by truth and by it establishes justice."
              Who do you think a bani israeli community today is guided by truth?
              sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

              And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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              • #22
                Originally posted by ghumbasa View Post
                Pashtuns origin:

                Prophet Yaqub or Israel aliyhesalam, had 12 sons, who each formed a tribe. They were Prophet Yusuf as(his two sons Manessah and Ephraim), Benyamin, Issachar, Shimeon, Levi, Gad, Asher, Dan, Naphthali, Judah, Zebulun, and Reuben who were each latter alloted land in the Levant. The tribes were in the beginning united especially under Prophets Dawud(David)as, and Sulaiman as(Solomon), but then after the death of the latter, they split, where 10 tribes united and formed a united kingdom in the north of Palestine as the Kingdom of Israel, and the other two Judah and Benjamin, formed the Kingdom of Judea.

                This long before Ancient Greece, Rome and Persians. At that time the Assyrians in Iraq had an Empire stretching from Asia Minor in the West till Badakhshan in the East. They invaded the northern kingdom of Israel and took away the 10 tribes into slavery and then had a section of their population transported and re settled them to the extreme east of their empire which is where Afghanistan and Khyber Pashtunkhwa is today.

                This is infact confirmed in the Old Testament itself where in the Book of Kings it is mentioned that the exiled tribes of Israel were taken and settled by the Gozan river (Amu Darya) in the east, and around Habor(Pesh-awor or by awor), and in the city of Hara (Herat) and Halah (Balkh), and that they remained there settled till this day.

                And is then when places perhaps with Israelite names appeared in this region like Kabul, Zabul, Jaji, Karkh, Khyber, etc.

                This is the first wave of the Israelite settlement in what is today Afghanistan.

                Another group of the enslaved Israelites who while being transported by the Assyrians, escaped slavery and moved north of the Caucasus and latter came to be known as the Scythians, or Children of Ishaq as the author in the link above explains. The same Scythians that interacted with the Ancient Greeks, and fought against them alongside the Persians.

                After the Assyrians came the Babylonians, who invaded Judea, and brought the remainder two tribes Judah and Benyamin to captivity in Babylon. The were in turn invaded by Cyrus the Great, the Ancient Persian, who allowed Judah and Benyamin to return to Palestine. However by then some of the Benjaminites made their way to the east where the other Israelites were already settled and joined them there. They intermixed broadly and heavily with their cousins. It is here where the name "Pashtun" or "Pactyans" or "Pathans" appeared. Pactan, or Pashtun comes from Pithon, who a grandchild of King Saul or Malik Talut who was the first King of united ancient Israel, and who was a grand child of Benjamin the son of Prophet Yaqoob.

                This is the second wave of settlement.


                Coming back to the Scythians, they too latter migrated southwards and joined their cousins in what is today Afghanistan. In so much that Zabulistan ( the land of the children of Zabol or Zebulon son of Yaqoob) came to be synoynoms with Sakastan or the land of Scyths, or children of Ishaq who came from the north. In fact Pashtu, is one of the living examples of ancient Scythian still spoken today,

                It is in this context that the Hepthalites appeared, in the same region and took prominence in the face of Persians and other powers. They spoke according to historians an eastern Iranian language, (similiar to Scythian Pashtu?), and although assumed by outsiders to be possibly white huns, however that being just a fake personification taken by the hepthalites themselves to scare their contemporaries and enemies.


                The fact that the Hepthalies, who latter became known as "Abdalis", identified themselves with/as Pashtuns ( from Pithon of the household of Benjamin), and spoke Pashtu ( the language of Scythians-children of Ishaq ), and lived/ruled in the same region of Zabulistan and Kabulistan, leaves a strong possibility of their identification with the tribe of Naphtahli , that formed part of the tribes of the Scythians or Sakas that came from the north.

                The final wave of some tribes in jeruselum came in small amount after prophet Isa as in afghanistan_Pakistan(NWFP) regions (guided children of israel) who didnt fought their war alongwith the awaited messiah Jesus (Isa ) as that was promised in scriptures.Portion of guided children of israel left in today palestine,syria,jordan.The unguided children of israel (jews) spread across europe and today s states like Australia,America,England...They heavily intermarried khazars (jewish converts) and romans...
                The final prophecy of awaited messiah with guided children of israel has yet to be fulfilled.


                D:\Special\Muslim Bani Israel.mht

                http://www.biblesearchers.com/hebrew...sisrael9.shtml

                "And We gave him the good news of Ishaq (Isaac), a Prophet among the good ones and We showered our blessings on him and on Ishaq, and of their offspring are the doers of good and also those who are clearly unjust to their ownselves." (37: 112, 113)

                http://muslimbaniisrael.wordpress.co...ncient-israel/

                Scythians or saka have nothing to do with semites or jews. Their languages had not even one semitic word and we know their language a bit from texts in Khotan and Afghanistan. Scythian is derived from the indoeuropean root "skeud" to shoot and scythians used the term "skuda/skula" for Archer.

                In it, the names of Herodotus and the names of his title, except Saka, as well as many other words for "Scythian," such as Assyrian AÅ¡kuz and Greek Skuthēs, descend from *skeud-, an ancient Indo-European root meaning "propel, shoot" (cf. English shoot).[18] *skud- is the zero-grade; that is, a variant in which the -e- is not present. The restored Scythian name is *Skuda (archer), which among the Pontic or Royal Scythians became *Skula, in which the d has been regularly replaced by an l
                Saka is derived from another iranic root sak- go,roam and was orginally a term used by persians to describe the northern iranic tribes who lived as nomads.
                Saka, on the other hand, Szemerényi relates to an Iranian verbal root, sak-, "go, roam", and hypothesizes that the Achaemenids used "nomad" to refer to the northern tribes, rather than their endonym
                In the past many muslim people created similar myths so that they can link themself directly or indirectly to the prophet or arabs and claim that their ancestors were also muslims. Among historians there is no more discussion about that anymore and genetic tests have already shown that pashtuns and jews share no similar genes

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Kushan Saka View Post

                  Scythians or saka have nothing to do with semites or jews. Their languages had not even one semitic word and we know their language a bit from texts in Khotan and Afghanistan. Scythian is derived from the indoeuropean root "skeud" to shoot and scythians used the term "skuda/skula" for Archer.



                  Saka is derived from another iranic root sak- go,roam and was orginally a term used by persians to describe the northern iranic tribes who lived as nomads.


                  In the past many muslim people created similar myths so that they can link themself directly or indirectly to the prophet or arabs and claim that their ancestors were also muslims. Among historians there is no more discussion about that anymore and genetic tests have already shown that pashtuns and jews share no similar genes

                  Aww...the word definition you told and not the sources neither its whole definition......Allow me .Just by having kushan saka name doesnt mean you ll know all....

                  Sakas by each and every definition stands for the lost tribes that went from captivity of assyrians and greeks...settled today in afpak regions.Go to any definition....they ll tell you the same story.Except for orientalists like Sir Olaf core and other brits historians .who said they dont know pashtuns exact origin and denied israelite theory merely because of defeat they encountered at the hands of afghans (pashtuns).In other cases they distorted and concealed the truth.But deite this...they said "Well not all but some tribes are israelites."

                  I ll give proofs from both kaffir and non kaffir sources.

                  And regarding my intentions of associating pashtuns to jews or arabs...pashtuns dont need to follow some race to prove themselves when Allah has given them a previlige of khilafa in end times.When prophet isa as ll stand with them and speak same language.

                  Arabs themselves are busy in dunya (world) and are in crisis so what help can they give to pashtuns.Jews are exactly oppositeto pashtuns in every sense.Israel the most tyrant and pashtuns most oppressed.A paryy of people of book knows whole truth yet they conceal and is active in pashtuns genocide directly or indirectly.Pashtuns are muslims and muslims expect only from Allah.Quran and hadeeths have spoken about pashtuns in detail.
                  sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

                  And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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                  • #24
                    The definition you told is actually taken from wiki sources...i consider it quite unreliable yet it said the same that they were nomadic tribes that are settled in afghanistan today lol.....nevermind i ll post about in detail wiki too.
                    sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

                    And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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                    • #25


                      Scythians:
                      The Scythians (/ˈsɪθi.ən/ or /ˈsɪði.ən/; from Greek Σκύθης, Σκύθοι), also known as Scyth,Saka, Sakae, Iskuzai or Askuzai were Iranian equestrian tribes who were mentioned as inhabiting large areas in the central Eurasian steppes starting with the 9th century BC up until the 4th century AD.The "classical Scythians" known to ancient Greek historians were located in the northern Black Sea and fore-Caucasus region. Other Scythian groups documented by Near Eastern and Achaemenid sources show that they also existed inCentral Asia, where they were referred to as the Saka.Moreover, the term "Scythian" is also used by modern scholars in an archaeological context, i.e. any region perceived to display attributes of the "Scytho-Siberian" culture.Their territories during the Iron Agewere known to classical Greek sources as "Scythia".

                      Probably originating in the Altai Mountains ofCentral Asia, the Scythians were among the earliest people's to master mounted warfare.In the 8th century BC they possibly raidedZhou China.Soon after they expanded westwards and dislodged the*Cimmerians from power on the*Pontic Steppe,and subsequently came to dominate a vast region stretching from the Carpathian Mountains of Europe to the plains of central*China,[9][10][5]creating what has been referred to as the first Central Asian nomadic empire.Based inCrimea the Scythians were ruled a by a wealthy class known as the Royal Scyths. The Scythians established and controlled a vast trade network (Silk Road) connecting Ancient Greece,Persia,India andChina perhaps contributing to the contemporary flourishing of those civilizations.Skilled in metalworking the Scythians produced decorative objects known as Scythian Art.In the 7th century BC they crossed the Caucasus and frequently raided the Middle East along with the Cimmerians, playing an important role in the political developments of the region.Around 650-630 BC ,the Scythians even briefly dominated the Medes of the Iranian Plateau , stretching their power all the away to the bordersEgypt.After losing control over Media the Scythians continued intermedling in Middle Eastern affairs, playing a leading role in the destruction of the Assyrian Empire in the Sack of Nineveh.
                      The Scythians subsequently engaged in frequent conflicts with theAchaemenid Empire. They suffered a major defeat against*Macedonia*in the 4th Century BC, and were subsequently gradually conquered by the Sarmatians, a related Iranian people from the Central Asia.



                      Names:


                      Sulimirski views the histories of Herodotuss the most important literary source relating to ancient Scyths.Herodotus provides a depiction that can be related to the results of archaeological research, but apparently knew little of the eastern part of Scythia. He did say that the ancient Persians called all the Scyths Σάκαι (Sacae, Herodotus 7.64). Their principal tribe, the "Royal Scyths", ruled the vast lands occupied by the nation as a whole (Herodotus 4.20), calling themselves Σκώλοτοι(Scōloti, Herodotus 4.6).
                      Oswald Szemerényi*devotes a thorough discussion to the etymologies of ancient ethnic words for the Scythians in his work "Four old Iranian ethnic names: Scythian – Skudra – Sogdian – Saka". In it, the names of Herodotus and the names of his title, except Saka, as well as many other words for "Scythian," such as Assyrian Aškuz andGreek Skuthēs descend from skeud-, an ancient indo-European root meaning "propel, shoot" (cf. English shoot).Skud- is the zero-grade; that is, a variant in which the -e- is not present. The restored Scythian name is Skuda (archer), which among the Pontic or Royal Scythians became Skula, in which the d has been regularly replaced by an l.

                      Saka, on the other hand, Szemerényi relates to an Iranian verbal root, sak-, "go, roam", and hypothesizes that the Achaemenids used "nomad" to refer to the northern tribes, rather than their endonym. The name does appear somewhat further east than the Achaemenid Empire, as the Chinese knew the Asian Scythians as Sai (Chinese character: 塞, Old Siniticsək). Whether they adopted the Achaemenid name, or "Saka" came to be an endonym, it is not clear. The modern region ofSistan in eastern Iran and southern Afghanistan takes its name from the classical Sakastan("land of the Sakas").

                      Sakastan was not the only province of Scythian origin on the eastern margin of the Persian Empire. According to Szemerényi,Sogdiana*was named from the Skuda form. Starting from the names of the province given in Old Persian inscriptions, Sugda and Suguda, and the knowledge derived from Middle Sogdian that Old Persian -gd- applied to Sogdian was pronounced as voiced fricatives, -γδ-, Szemerényi arrives at Suγδa as an Old Sogdianendonym.Applying sound changes apparent in other Sogdian words and inherent in Indo-European he traces the development of Suγδa from Skuda, "archer," as follows: Skuda > Sukuda by anaptyxis > Sukuδa > Sukδa (syncope).
                      Last edited by ghumbasa; 01-02-2015, 11:27 AM.
                      sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

                      And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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                      • #26
                        Words sugdai,iskuzai etc are found only in pashto.There was once a language that flourished as Pa****o(Pesh ito) too in those regions...But western orientalists ll never mention it.
                        sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

                        And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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                        • #27
                          Herodotus has mentioned in detail about israelites...when they got dispersed.Yup the same historian.
                          sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

                          And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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                            Or

                            sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

                            And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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                              According to the Persian tradition followed by Herodotus, the Persians had submitted to the Medes the second quarter of the seventh century. Several central terms of political life, such as the word for king and even the name Pārsa, appear to show Median peculiarities. On the other hand, the Persians came under the cultural influence of Elam, and it was in the Elamite language that accounts were kept in the Persian treasury at Persepolis, in the Persian homeland, as late as 459 B.C.E. The Persians' dependence on the Medes was terminated by Cyrus II who rebelled against the last of the Median kings, Astyages. Astyages marched against him, but the Median army revolted and handed over their king to Cyrus in 550. Plundering Ecbatana (now Hamadan), the Median capital, Cyrus became ruler of Media. According to official Persian tradition, he was a maternal grandson of Astyages and was supported by Median nobles. To the outside world, his seizure of the Median crown looked like a mere change of dynasty. Media, which in alliance with Babylon had destroyed the Assyrian Empire in 612, was a great power, whereas the Persians had been unknown before Cyrus. Therefore, foreigners (e.g., Herodotus) continued to speak of "Medians" when meaning "Persians." In Daniel 8:3 the two-horned ram is a symbol of Media and Persia.


                              Cyrus and his heirs, following the Assyrian practice, used Aramaic as the language of administration throughout the Persian Empire.


                              In Ezekiel 27:10 and 38:5, the name "Persia" is probably a corruption. Deutero-Isaiah expected that Cyrus would rebuild Jerusalem (44:28; 45:1). Having conquered Babylonia, Cyrus reversed the Babylonian policy and returned captive gods and their worshipers to their homes. However, by taking care of Marduk in Babylon and of "the God who is in Jerusalem" (Ezra 1:3), Cyrus became the legitimate successor of the kings of Babylon and of the kings of the House of David. After the restoration of the Temple and Darius I and until the revolt against Rome in 66 C.E., the priests of Jerusalem offered a sacrifice daily for the welfare of the heathen overlord of Zion. Written in the first half of the fourth centuryB.C.E., the work of the Chronicler (Chronicles, Ezra-Nehemiah) expresses this recognition of alien domination: the Temple was restored "by command of the God of Israel and by order of Cyrus and Darius and Artaxerxes, king of Persia" (Ezra 6:14).


                              The Jews preserved a favorable memory of the Persian kings, as their rule brought them two centuries of peace. By favoring the clergy, the Persian king laid the foundation for the later role of the high priests. For the first and last time, Jerusalem and the whole Diaspora, from the Indus to the Nile, remained under the sway of the same overlords. From Babylonia, Zerubbabel, Ezra, and Nehemiah came to the aid of Jerusalem. The Jews at Elephantine could ask Jerusalem for assistance. When, after the death of Alexander, the unity of the political world of which the Jews were a part was destroyed, the religious and spiritual link that had been forged between Jerusalem and the Diaspora under the Achaemenids remained, and it has persisted for 23 centuries.

                              [Elias J. Bickerman]
                              Last edited by ghumbasa; 01-02-2015, 11:48 AM.
                              sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

                              And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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                                Originally posted by ghumbasa View Post
                                Aww...the word definition you told and not the sources neither its whole definition......Allow me .Just by having kushan saka name doesnt mean you ll know all....

                                Sakas by each and every definition stands for the lost tribes that went from captivity of assyrians and greeks...settled today in afpak regions.Go to any definition....they ll tell you the same story.Except for orientalists like Sir Olaf core and other brits historians .who said they dont know pashtuns exact origin and denied israelite theory merely because of defeat they encountered at the hands of afghans (pashtuns).In other cases they distorted and concealed the truth.But deite this...they said "Well not all but some tribes are israelites."

                                I ll give proofs from both kaffir and non kaffir sources.

                                And regarding my intentions of associating pashtuns to jews or arabs...pashtuns dont need to follow some race to prove themselves when Allah has given them a previlige of khilafa in end times.When prophet isa as ll stand with them and speak same language.

                                Arabs themselves are busy in dunya (world) and are in crisis so what help can they give to pashtuns.Jews are exactly oppositeto pashtuns in every sense.Israel the most tyrant and pashtuns most oppressed.A paryy of people of book knows whole truth yet they conceal and is active in pashtuns genocide directly or indirectly.Pashtuns are muslims and muslims expect only from Allah.Quran and hadeeths have spoken about pashtuns in detail.
                                read this he explains the origin of the names Scythian and Saka


                                Scythians lived in regions were never jews lived and they were descendants of indoeuropean tribes there. They had also not a jewish religion and were Polytheists or Buddhists. Explain me why they didnt worshipped Jahwe and had gods of indoeuropean origin. I dont want to sound rude but this theory about semitic origin of scythians is just bull**** and just a pathetic try to associate pashtuns with jews.

                                Also the scythians were of native origin in central asia and eastern europe so it is impossible that they are descendants of jewish settlers because scythians had the same culture and lifestyle there like older cultures in central asia. Please show me just one historian,who is not a pathetic jew, who thinks that scythian or saka are related to jews.

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