Are most Pashtuns assimilated Rajputs?

[HalloIsBack]

i'm your princess

[Midnight_Sun]

Meaning that we came from Rajput clans like how Punjabi people have their clans ,we were Hindu and probably spoke a Sanskrit type of language like an old Punjabi language, we were likely of Kshatriya caste but we became Pashtuns after Islamic invasions and had our language replace to Pashto which is related to an old East Iranian Tajik language. I mean, Pashtuns do look like Rajputs, Punjabis and North Indians but Tajiks look like that too. Tajiks and Pashtuns are lighter on average which is true but are racially the same as North Indians.



I just thought cause someone pointed out alot of Pashtun tribal names that can't be taken for Israelite are taken as coming from ancient vedic clans. The largest tribe of Pashtuns, Sarbans comes from the vedic clan Saryuban but in Pashtun folklore, Sarban was a son of the first Pashtun but may have really been a really prominent Rajput clan, i dont know if related to Jats. I'm pretty sure, Pashtun folklore was changed to suit Islam or have Pashtuns be involved with races mentioned in Quran, Sunnah and the bible (IE Bnai Israel and Indo-Aryans saying they are Sayyeds or Qureshis), like an Iranic dude migrates to meet Muhammad (SAW) to be part of his shahaba.

More evidence is that there used to be a large presence of Hindko-people in Pashto lands and Mahmud Ghaznavi sacked a Hindu Kingdom. A Pashtun told me a mass of Pashtuns were converted to Islam after the sack of some Hindu Kingdom. In Pashtun regions, the Hindko people still kept Hinduism and over time were dwindled to live in the most urban regions in major cities of Pashtun regions. Islamitization and mass assimilation of Rajput Indians to the culture of Pashtuns may have occured.
I'm just saying, it's making me think Punjabi people were more widespread pretty deep into Pashtun and Tajik territories but got mass culturally assimilated in the name of Islam.

Rajputs and some Pashtuns share a similar historical and geographical history, and they also share similar ancestry, ie. Hephtalite Huns, Kushans, Saka (Scythian), and Indo-Aryans. But to say that they are somehow Rajputs who had adopted a different culture is too limited in scope or historic scale to explain their origins.

[kanishka]

I believe Pashtuns are aliens from another galaxy which would explain why we are so strong.

Pashtuns are super sayians!

Ya, and we killed Hindkowan Tuffles on a full moon and captured Afghan province and then we allied with a Saudi Bedouin Warlord named King Cold Bin Laden and sacked India with Salafi-Wahabi ideas, then his son named Frieza Ali Jinnah destroyed the Saiyyan Planet by using his super attack called the Durrand Line......

[hk1992]

I think you dont understand pashtun history fully, just to quickly explain the rajput rose to prominence in northern india between the 9th-12th century at a time when pashtuns did not even live in peshawar, at that time pashtuns under mahmud ghaznavid were raiding india and killing rajputs and countless other indian tribes. The pashtun tribes that now live closest to the indus river such as the yusufzai etc only left northern afghanistan 400 years ago(1600s) in a mass exodus in response to countless foreign invasions. At that time yusufzai, kuchi and other pashtun tribes of the pakistani tribal areas lived in northern afghanistan particularly around the areas of mazar e sharif and kabul, which is why tajiks are not native to northern afghanisan but only its most recent inhabitants despite there claims to being there since time immemorial. Going back even further to about 300 BC the yusufzai and afridi fought alexander in western afghanistan around the herat region and forced him to sue for peace, he then married a local chieftain daughter and split his army in two one went around afghanistan and over the hindu kush to reach india where they wiped out the native kambojan tribes living in dir ,malakand,buner, swabi, mardan regions of modern day pakistan, his second half of the army tried to pass through afghanistan and so was badly malled by the time it came through the khyber pass that it was not really an army any more. Alexander wrote the name kambojan tribe he fought in pakistan down in his own ancient accounts which he said he was sadly forced to eliminate despite the fact that they fought bravely, however he also wrote down the name of the yusufzai tribe and the afridi tribe exactly as they are pronounced today and said of them that I am involved in the land of leonine (lion-like) and brave people,
where every foot of the ground is like a well of steel,
confronting my soldiers.
You have brought only one son into the world ,
but every one in this land can be called an Alexander.
I hope you realize the distinctly different histories and origins of the rajputs and pashtuns from that little discourse.

[Toramana]

I think you dont understand pashtun history fully, just to quickly explain the rajput rose to prominence in northern india between the 9th-12th century at a time when pashtuns did not even live in peshawar, at that time pashtuns under mahmud ghaznavid were raiding india and killing rajputs and countless other indian tribes. The pashtun tribes that now live closest to the indus river such as the yusufzai etc only left northern afghanistan 400 years ago(1600s) in a mass exodus in response to countless foreign invasions. At that time yusufzai, kuchi and other pashtun tribes of the pakistani tribal areas lived in northern afghanistan particularly around the areas of mazar e sharif and kabul, which is why tajiks are not native to northern afghanisan but only its most recent inhabitants despite there claims to being there since time immemorial. Going back even further to about 300 BC the yusufzai and afridi fought alexander in western afghanistan around the herat region and forced him to sue for peace, he then married a local chieftain daughter and split his army in two one went around afghanistan and over the hindu kush to reach india where they wiped out the native kambojan tribes living in dir ,malakand,buner, swabi, mardan regions of modern day pakistan, his second half of the army tried to pass through afghanistan and so was badly malled by the time it came through the khyber pass that it was not really an army any more. Alexander wrote the name kambojan tribe he fought in pakistan down in his own ancient accounts which he said he was sadly forced to eliminate despite the fact that they fought bravely, however he also wrote down the name of the yusufzai tribe and the afridi tribe exactly as they are pronounced today and said of them that I am involved in the land of leonine (lion-like) and brave people,
where every foot of the ground is like a well of steel,
confronting my soldiers.
You have brought only one son into the world ,
but every one in this land can be called an Alexander.
I hope you realize the distinctly different histories and origins of the rajputs and pashtuns from that little discourse.

You are understanding it wrong. Pashtuns are not a homogeneous group of people. Pashtun ethnicity came into existence as a result of the intermingling of many different people, e.g., Sakas/Sythians, Kushans, Haphthalites, and original proto-Indo-Aryans remnants in the form of Dard people.

Although, the Sarabani Pashtuns like Eusophzais, Mohammadzais, etc. moved to Peshawar Valley in 15th Century (around 1480), the Karalanri Pashtuns were there since recorded times. Karalanri Pashtuns are very closely linked to Dard people. Before Eusophzais and other Khakhi Khels moved to Peshawar Valley and Swat, the area was inhabited by Dalazaks, Shilmanis, Swatis, etc.

Kindly, re-read the history.

[Toramana]

http://pashtoonkhwa.webs.com/mytribedalazak.htm

HISTORY:The Dilazak descended from the Suleman Range into the valley of Peshawar during the time of the Samanid Dynasty, between 750 and 850 CE.[1] They expelled or subdued local people of the Swati, Degan and Tirahi castes.[2] By the time of Mahmud GhaznaviSindh RiverAbaseen or Neelaab).[3] They participated in Mahmood Ghaznavi's campaigns in large numbers under their leader, Malik Yahya Khan.[4] In the 500 years that followed, they extended up to Hassan Abdal (near Taxila) and towards the north up to Abbottabad. According to the Ain-i-Akbari (written around 1590 CE), they were the only tribe possessing lands in Hazara Qarlagh.[5][6] (then called (around 1000 AD), they had reached the

Around 1520, another Afghan tribe, the Yusufzai, was expelled from Kabul by Mirza Ulugh Beg, the uncle of Mughal Emperor Zaheeruddin Muhammad Babur.[7][8][9] After 20 years, the Yusufzai, along with some other tribes (including the Utmanzai, cousins of the Dilazak), were able to push the Dilazak east of the Sindh river under their leader, Malik Ahmed Khan, at battle of Katlang.[10] The Yusufzai migrated to the Peshawar valley, where they sought and received help from the Dilazak. Later, the relationship between the two tribes deteriorated and a long war ensued.

Dispersal by the Mughals

The Mughals had fluctuating relations with the Afghans. The Dilazak were on the eastern side of the Sindh River and thus vulnerable to the Mughal army. Around 1607, on his way to Kabul, Mughal emperor Jahangir left his large army under the command of Zaffar Khan Koka, son of Zain Khan Koka, and ordered him to wipe out the Dilazak and arrest the leaders of the Khattar tribe.[11] Zaffar Khan Koka complied with the orders and deported one hundred thousand families of the Dilazak to Lahore for onward dispersal throughout India.[12] Only a few families of the Dilazak survived.

Return under Shahjahan

Most of the Dilazaks returned during the reign of Mughal king Shahjahan, and settled in parts of North West Frontier ProvinceKhyber Pakhtoon Khawa in 2010) and Punjab in their old homes.[13] One of them was Saleh Khan who, along with his family settled in Sara-e-Saleh and Tir in Haripur District.[14] Twenty-first century sub-branches of the Dilazak include the Shamseer Khani, Nusrat Khel and Anayat Khani.[15] As of 2010, they are found in the districts Abbottabad, Haripur, Mansehra, Charsadda, Mardan, Shabqadar, Buner, Mengora, Chakdara, Darband, Kala Dhaka, Bisham, Chikar, Khar (Bajaur), Swat and Peshawar in Khyber Pakhtoon Khawa Province, Attock, Hazro and Rawalpindi, Dera Ismail Khan and Lahore in the Punjab Province along with Karachi in Sindh Province. They are in the districts of Shahjahan Pur and also in villages in the Shahjahanpur District (Meerut), on Meerut Garh Road (Uttar Pradesh), Jalandhar (Indian Punjab), Bari (Rajasthan), Dilazi and other villages in Andhra Pradesh, West Bengal and some other regions of India.[16] Members of this tribe also dwell in Afghanistan, Burma, Bangladesh, Germany, India, Indonesia, the United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom and the United States of America.

[Kushan Prince]

You are understanding it wrong. Pashtuns are not a homogeneous group of people. Pashtun ethnicity came into existence as a result of the intermingling of many different people, e.g., Sakas/Sythians, Kushans, Haphthalites, and original proto-Indo-Aryans remnants in the form of Dard people.

Although, the Sarabani Pashtuns like Eusophzais, Mohammadzais, etc. moved to Peshawar Valley in 15th Century (around 1480), the Karalanri Pashtuns were there since recorded times. Karalanri Pashtuns are very closely linked to Dard people. Before Eusophzais and other Khakhi Khels moved to Peshawar Valley and Swat, the area was inhabited by Dalazaks, Shilmanis, Swatis, etc.

Kindly, re-read the history.

Pashtuns are not native to Khyber Pakhtunkhwa though, they just immigrated to these areas mostly after islam displacing the original dardic population who were the original people there. Most if not all pashtuns in pakistan can trace their ancestry back to the afghanistan region, including karlanis.

[Toramana]

That is wrong. About Khakhis(a Pashtun tribal confederacy which includes Eusophzais, Mohammadzais, Jadoon, Turklanris, Uthman Khel, Gigyanis, etc. ), you can say that but about Karalanris you can't say that. They seem to be living in these areas since proto-Indo-Aryan tribes arrived in KP.

Most of the early proto-Indo-Aryans moved to northern India and Punjab and became the present Indo-Aryans. The remnants gave rise to the Dard people of the present day Kohistan (Dir, Swat, Hazara Kohistan), Kunar, Nuristan, Chitral, Hunza, and even Kashmir.

These early Dard people and early Iranian tribes that arrived as Sakas, White Huns (Haphthalites), Kushans, etc. seemed to be heavily intermingled to give rise to Karlanri Pashtuns. The Hindku speaking people might be an Indic influence on Dards and even some early Pashtuns in the KP area.

Rhodbari Dalazaks still live in upper Dir in close proximity to Kohistanis (bilingual in Pashto and Kohistani, a language like Pashai spoken in Kunar) and have close similarity with Kohistanis. The Kohistanis are in the process of assimilating with Pashtuns i.e. Yousafzais of Dir, Swat.

In Hazara, they live in close proximity with Swati Pashtuns of Battagram and also Yousafzais of Swat, Tur Ghar, etc. I donèt know though how is mutual influence.

[Toramana]

Some Rudhbaris of Upper Dir.

[pashtun2121]

I think you dont understand pashtun history fully, just to quickly explain the rajput rose to prominence in northern india between the 9th-12th century at a time when pashtuns did not even live in peshawar, at that time pashtuns under mahmud ghaznavid were raiding india and killing rajputs and countless other indian tribes. The pashtun tribes that now live closest to the indus river such as the yusufzai etc only left northern afghanistan 400 years ago(1600s) in a mass exodus in response to countless foreign invasions. At that time yusufzai, kuchi and other pashtun tribes of the pakistani tribal areas lived in northern afghanistan particularly around the areas of mazar e sharif and kabul, which is why tajiks are not native to northern afghanisan but only its most recent inhabitants despite there claims to being there since time immemorial. Going back even further to about 300 BC the yusufzai and afridi fought alexander in western afghanistan around the herat region and forced him to sue for peace, he then married a local chieftain daughter and split his army in two one went around afghanistan and over the hindu kush to reach india where they wiped out the native kambojan tribes living in dir ,malakand,buner, swabi, mardan regions of modern day pakistan, his second half of the army tried to pass through afghanistan and so was badly malled by the time it came through the khyber pass that it was not really an army any more. Alexander wrote the name kambojan tribe he fought in pakistan down in his own ancient accounts which he said he was sadly forced to eliminate despite the fact that they fought bravely, however he also wrote down the name of the yusufzai tribe and the afridi tribe exactly as they are pronounced today and said of them that I am involved in the land of leonine (lion-like) and brave people,
where every foot of the ground is like a well of steel,
confronting my soldiers.
You have brought only one son into the world ,
but every one in this land can be called an Alexander.
I hope you realize the distinctly different histories and origins of the rajputs and pashtuns from that little discourse.

I couldn't find any references that back your claim about alexander greats encounter with Pashtuns and yusufzai and afridi tribes
The only real education you have regarding history is the fairy tales other uneducated Pashtuns have taught you