Ahmad Shah Abdali was a Wahhabi

[RevolutionThroughReason]

you could actually write zahn since its the "ah" sound when you say that word.

"zah poy ka" doesn't make sense if you are trying to say go teach.

zah poy ka makes sense ....it simply means Go ...Teach, people do it all the time "Zaaah , wrak sha"

You didn't know that Zah means go?

[khushal]

go learn would be "larsha zon poy ka." the term for learn would actually be "teaching oneself" which would be "zon poy ka"

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Both of you need to stop the hostility.

[khushal]

zah poy ka makes sense ....it simply means Go ...Teach, people do it all the time "Zaaah , wrak sha"

You didn't know that Zah means go?

what are you talking about, that's wrong.
you could say "zaaah poy sha" but not "zaaaah poy ka"

Sure I did, zah is popular, in our dialect we say tsah.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

larsha is go in a certain direction. not simply go, like larsha nangarhar ta. like when you wrote "larsha watan ta". Za is a separate verb than poy ka so they wouldn't conflict with each other.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Anyways Khushal has not shown any of these scholars who allegedly claim that it had little to do with Ahmad Abdali's lineage regarding being made chief.

[khushal]

yes you have to go in a certain direction to learn

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Not necessarily. You told me to go to the Watan; but you didn't tell me where to go to learn.

[khushal]

Anyways Khushal has not shown any of these scholars who allegedly claim that it had little to do with Ahmad Abdali's lineage regarding being made chief.

It had more to do with his reputation of being successful on the battle field. During the Jirga in Kandahar, the barackzai did press hard for their own candidate to be king but the barackzai candidate did not have the reputation or military experience of Ahmed abdali.
What your saying probably had importance within the popalzai clan but not within the abdalis as a whole. The barackzai did take over the sadozaia.

I have to goto a family function so Ill tackle you later.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

It had more to do with his reputation of being successful on the battle field. During the Jirga in Kandahar, the barackzai did press hard for their own candidate to be king but the barackzai candidate did not have the reputation or military experience of Ahmed abdali.
What your saying probably had importance within the popalzai clan but not within the abdalis as a whole. The barackzai did take over the sadozaia.

barakzais are not direct descendants of Sado though

I'm asking you to show a scholar that makes the claim that Ahmad Abdali's lineage had little to do with it.

[Khilji]

wahabi is that not a shiit word for those who dont believe in their cult if ahmad shah durrani was a wahabi why did he not created a khurasani empire with alot of nonsense in it like hanging modern stuff on trees

[khushal]

barakzais are not direct descendants of Sado though

I'm asking you to show a scholar that makes the claim that Ahmad Abdali's lineage had little to do with it.

That is my point, you said because he was a sado, he became king, but the reality is counter to your claim since barackzais are not sados, they took over from the sados hence you don't have to be a sado to be king.

well almost every book written about him claims his kingship came from either because he was leader of a powerful infantry of the time, or because he took Nadir shahs treasury, they don't really claim anything special about sado. In reality he knew his people well, and he united them under one banner. It does not make sense of what you say that he was a Persian slave, why would a Persian slave unite his people and annex Persian territory into his kingdom.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

That is my point, you said because he was a sado, he became king, but the reality is counter to your claim since barackzais are not sados, they took over from the sados hence you don't have to be a sado to be king.

well almost every book written about him claims his kingship came from either because he was leader of a powerful infantry of the time, or because he took Nadir shahs treasury, they don't really claim anything special about sado. In reality he knew his people well, and he united them under one banner. It does not make sense of what you say that he was a Persian slave, why would a Persian slave unite his people and annex Persian territory into his kingdom.

That;s because Barakzais usurped the throne....remember?

Cite all the books that say his leadership didn't come because of his Sadozai heritage, just as I asked before ...and you have failed to do.

[Darre08]

He was Wahhabi in a particular conext. Things that people nowadays define as Wahhabism have been part of traditional Islam for centuries.

ABdul Qaadir al Jilaani is also a Sufi yet, his books Ghunyat Talibeen and his other writings go against the beliefs and practices of modern day Qadiriyyah.

Similarly, Shah Waliullah was a Sufi, yet his practices and his beliefs go against mainstream Sufism.



Do you have any literature with reference for this?



The Deobandi school which is considered as moderate Wahhabis are known for their praise for the likes of Ibn Arabi. That doesn't change the fact that by and large Deobandis discourage people from Bidat and shirk to a certain extent.




Apart from creating a new madhab, basically thats what Salafi scholars advocate. Everyone is considered a layman and every layman is a muqallid until he is no longer a layman and not a basic student of knowledge, but an advanced student of knowledge or a scholar.

It is when European mix raced khazar fake jews, say's that Pashtuns are one of the lost tribes of bani dogs.

I remember when I was still naive, I was like if this is true in my gene pool I will would not breed/suicide.

[gadoonwal]

Bismillah

As Salaamu 3alaykum wa Ra7matullah,


We often hear secularists, nationalists and some Sufis praise Ahmed Shah Abdali as the father and founder of Afghanistan.

Little do they know that the charismatic hero and icon of Pashtun people was actually a follower of Shah Waliullah Dhelawi and the Indian proto-type Wahhabis.

In fact the epic defeat of Indians by the Afghan Muslim army was basically because Shah Waliullah Dhelawi wrote to his mureed, Ahmed Shah Abdali to come and attack the Marathas.

There is even a book by shaykh Mubarakpuri with detailed information about the relationship of sub-continent proto-type Wahhabis and the rulers of Afghanistan.

shah wali wullah,himself was a sufi and not wahabi.
Wahabism came much later.
In fact wahabism reached us in 20th century.