Ahmad Shah Abdali was a Wahhabi

[khushal]

Irrelevant; you're outrightly lying despite what we know about historical facts regarding Abdali's ascension to power.

weve already discussed your version of history. it has too many holes in it.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

your an idiot. He was already leader of the Sadozais before the jirga in Kandahar choose him, and it was not inherited. He was leader because of his success on the battlefield. Pashtun tribes stood with him, he did not rule them.

This is a total fabrication by you; he was chosen as Chief in Kandahar By the Abdali tribes because he was a direct descendant of Sado in 1747 this was when he began trying to subdue other Ghilzai tribes.

You just got caught lying.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

weve already discussed your version of history. it has too many holes in it.

You'[re judging something has holes by your own beliefs which already has holes in it; which is internally contradictory.

You didn't even know when he was inaugurated as chief of the Sadozais LOL

[RevolutionThroughReason]

by calling someone shah does not make one a direct authority. The kings of afghansitan were not like the kings of Europe. you fail to understand this.

Deeming someone as Shah; when they were not previously a Shah, means you accept them as your ruler; Shah means ruler.

You're totally absurd now.

[khushal]

This is a total fabrication by you; he was chosen as Chief in Kandahar By the Abdali tribes because he was a direct descendant of Sado in 1747 this was when he began trying to subdue other Ghilzai tribes.

You just got caught lying.

you originally said he was chosen by his own clan and now your saying by the whole abdali tribe. your the one caught in a contradiction.

Stop being intellectually dishonest. All scholars agree that it was because of his success on the battle field that propelled him to be king. All the other candidates were much older than him, his only strength was his reputation.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

you originally said he was chosen by his own clan and now your saying by the whole abdali tribe. your the one caught in a contradiction.

Stop being intellectually dishonest. All scholars agree that it was because of his success on the battle field that propelled him to be king. All the other candidates were much older than him, his only strength was his reputation.

The fact you see this as a contradiction means you're completely ignorant of Pashtun tribal lineages. If you know anything about the Abdalis; the fact they CHOSE him because he's a direct descendant of SADO should tell you something. AHEM AHEM.

Which means your other claims are also suspect here too. he was chosen by his relatives to be CHIEF; he became Shah after conquering others. Two separate incidences.

[khushal]

Deeming someone as Shah; when they were not previously a Shah, means you accept them as your ruler; Shah means ruler.

You're totally absurd now.

Shah means king, its a Persian word. Pashto does not even have a word for king but the word or tile alone does not mean anything. Karzai is the president of Afghanistan, it does not mean he has any power outside of Kabul.

your solely basing your argument on title alone which is absurd. shah shuja also had shah in his title, it does not mean that he had any authority on the tribes.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Shah is in the Pashto qamosona and has been from at least Ahmad Abdali's time, you realize Abdali tribes generally spoke Persian right considering they originated from Herat?


You don't even know or understand Pashto; so your claim here is bogus.

[khushal]

The fact you see this as a contradiction means you're completely ignorant of Pashtun tribal lineages. If you know anything about the Abdalis; the fact they CHOSE him because he's a direct descendant of SADO should tell you something. AHEM AHEM.

Which means your other claims are also suspect here too. he was chosen by his relatives to be CHIEF; he became Shah after conquering others. Two separate incidences.

Tribal lineage has little to do with becoming leader. You must have qualities of a leader. If what you say was the case then we should have some kin of Zahir shah as the president, what is Karzai doing there?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Tribal lineage has little to do with becoming leader. You must have qualities of a leader. If what you say was the case then we should have some kin of Zahir shah as the president, what is Karzai doing there?

Here's an easy rebuttal to your tripe. In Pashtunwali can you become chief of a tribe if you're from another unrelated tribe entirely?

If yes; show some proof of this a single evidence of this occurring. Good luck.

[khushal]

Shah is in the Pashto qamosona and has been from at least Ahmad Abdali's time, you realize Abdali tribes generally spoke Persian right considering they originated from Herat?


You don't even know or understand Pashto; so your claim here is bogus.

Its a loan word from farsi. Pashtun have mashran not shahs.

sarai sha, goday waday khabaray ma ka wa. watan te lar sha, zahn poy ka.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

oh and about Zahir Shah; again this shows your ignorance of Pashtun history and tribes. If you studied Pashtun history you'd know how Zahir Shah ended up as ruler. Think back to Shah Shujaa.

[Kushan Prince]

weve already discussed your version of history. it has too many holes in it.

Dude your arguing with someone who thinks Ghilzai's are Turks. Do you honestly think someone like that will have any credibility? I say ignore this kharkus.

[Kushan Prince]

Shah is in the Pashto qamosona and has been from at least Ahmad Abdali's time, you realize Abdali tribes generally spoke Persian right considering they originated from Herat?


You don't even know or understand Pashto; so your claim here is bogus.

Please stop talking! Shah is the Farsi word for king and Abdali's originate from Kandahar, not Herat. You're delusional of history and know NOTHING about Pashtun history. You say Khushal doesn't know Pashto when you didn't even know shah is not a pashto word.

[khushal]

Here's an easy rebuttal to your tripe. In Pashtunwali can you become chief of a tribe if you're from another unrelated tribe entirely?

If yes; show some proof of this a single evidence of this occurring. Good luck.

what does that question have to do with what we are talking about. There were many from his tribe that wanted to be king, but they CHOSE him because of his reputation. The other candidates also were Abdali and there were also other candidates who were from sado lineage who were older than him.