Israelite descendants [evidence]

[Karachi]

it is very possible that few jewish tribes may have indeed come to the area and introduced their culture/religion to the area. I doubt their was a large movement of them though, since there is no historical record and no genetic evidence

[RevolutionThroughReason]

@Torkham lala
we are talking about bani israel and not jews,one is a people and other is religion(followers of the tribe of juda).
In Quran kareem there is a clear destinction between these two.

where exactly is the distinction between the two in the Qur'an? present evidence

[abassinafghan]

related to northwest india ???? who claims this ???

a really representative study has yet to come , most of those studies were done in pakistan or india and especially in places where most of "pathans" lived , even they reffered to as pathans , not pashtuns or afghans .

so due to marriage to local people , its evident that those "pathans " are related to northern indians aka , punjabis , inhibitants of dehlie etc.

but not representative for the gross of pashtun people .

we have a variety of faces and roots ,because of the history of our country , as a gate way for west and east and west and south .

but we can defenetly distinct between the average pashtun and an iranian , punjabi ,indian , turkmen , uzbek and hazara . atleast i can and people who has alot of business with pashtuns also can .

once at work an indian customer approached me , he asked me if i am afghan , and i said yes , he asked me if iam pashtun , and i said yes , and finally he asked me , if am from khandahr and i said again yes .

i was really shocked , because he didnt hear me talk in pashto , or could have any clue where i am from , and i asked him how he could knew this .

and he said , he lives in dubai and has business partners from afghanistan and kandahar and they just looked like me or similar to me .....


the "jewish " theory can be quiet right , because most of the today living jews are actually ashkenazi and khazarian decendent so they converted later to judaism . their roots where arround the black sea , so where the roots of the first proto aryans who came to central asia and later to india . but its just a hypothesis , and needs ofcourse more proof and especially logical proof ...


but we should not be feel less , because we have such a big genetic pool and diversity !!!! and are not a bunch of total inbreeds .

look at it on the positive site , even if in the far or near future , if genetic weapons are used against us , there will be still survivers in higher nunmbers compared to more homogenus people like , han chinese , indians , or europeans (especially eastern europeans .)

[Karachi]

^ the recent (afghan based) study linked pashtuns to north west indic groups like sindhis, jatts, rajputs. The people who look like these:






^ it is possible there is some connection, but these groups really make minority of indians over all. the study clearly said that Tajiks and pashtuns are the closes to each other genetically, followed by north west indic groups, but the samples are too small to make proper judgments, I certainly think that baloch might be more closer to pashtuns then sindhi or rajputs for example

[Breshna]

Can't stand...Jews.

[Karachi]

Can't stand...Jews.

most of todays jews are not related to the original jews, I think the purest jews are probably from yemen

[Manzareh]

Pashtuns are not from bani israel until someone proves it, proving it doesn't mean finding some similarities as after all there are many similarities in humans all over the world, bani Israel theory is a fairytale, infact theres more evidence to support the claim of Pashtuns having ancestors in that region long before king Saul or before we all got 'lost'

[pashtun_rise]

Pashtuns's history dates back to israel also told in quran about its division...i ll post links about it and the related events that has occured recently....Many religious scholors of arab world (wahhabis cult) as well as indian subcontinent hid this truth...until now ppl r searching n finding out that many lies have been told and many realities have been kept hidden...regarding hadiths and quranic tafseers.Please check the following...the siachen avalenche story was kept hidden by pak media for 52 days until international media revealed it...

https://sites.google.com/site/armyofmahdi/

http://www.scribd.com/doc/97174881/The-First-Major-Sign-Before-Arrival-of-Mahdi

[abassinafghan]

@karachi

any source for your so called recent study ???

[pashtun_rise]

@karachi

any source for your so called recent study ???

Quran and ahadiths dont need athentication..U can read the article i ve given.It has many sources in it too.Besides....u can read torah wd old testament as well that clearly points to pashtuns.U can read authentic ahadits in "Kitab ul fitan".N then u have a common sense too to look for what r the signs that r happening...all leading to one point...pashtuns these days.Bani israel was not fully cursed..Some wr ordered to be scattered by MUSA a.s...as per Allah' orders.Those wr the guided ones.But our scholars ve always preached us they wr cursed fully n got dispersed.Even quran tells us...there r some who r pious n some who r like others.Article i ve given in my previous post.


InshAllah i ll show u ahadith n quranic verses...regarding pashtuns.I myself m still searching deep as it s a sensitive topic...besides its not easy to find athenticity of TAFSEER.The writers we ve to keep in mind too.

Today i ll look into those ahadiths n verses for u...mostly r from sahih bukhari.

[Karachi]

@karachi

any source for your so called recent study ???

this was the most recent study:http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0034288

genotyping revealed 32 halpogroups present in Afghanistan's ethnic groups among our samples. Haplogroups R1a1a-M17, C3-M217, J2-M172, and L-M20 were the most frequent when Afghan ethnic groups were pooled, together comprising >66% of the chromosomes. Absolute and relative haplogroup frequencies are tabulated in Table S4. Haplogroup frequencies across the major ethnic groups revealed large differences. In particular, frequencies of haplogroup C3-M217, which is mainly found in East Asia, and haplogroup R1a1a-M17, which is found in Eurasia, varied substantially among the Afghan groups. C3-M217 was significantly more frequent (p = 4.55×10−9) in Uzbeks (41.18%) and Hazaras (33.33%) than it was in Tajiks (3.57%) and Pashtuns (2.04%). On the other hand, R1a1a-M17 was significantly more frequent (p = 3.00×10−6) in Pashtuns (51.02%) and Tajiks (30.36%) than in Uzbeks (17.65%) and Hazaras (6.67%). RM networks of C3-M217 (Figure S1A) and R1a1a-M17 (Figure S1B) show that when a haplogroup was infrequent in an ethnic group, its haplotypes existed on branches not shared with other Afghans, suggesting that the underrepresented haplogroups are not the result of a gene flow between the ethnic groups, but probably a direct assimilation from source populations.
Haplogroups autochthonous to India [15]; L-M20, H-M69, and R2a-M124 were found more (p = 0.004) in Pashtuns (20.41%) and Tajiks (19.64%) than in Uzbeks (5.88%) and Hazaras (5%). E1b1b1-M35 was found in Hazaras (5%) and Uzbeks (5.88%) but not in Pashtuns and Tajiks. RM network of E1b1b1-M35 (Figure S1C) shows that Afghanistan's lineages are correlated with Middle Easterners and Iranians. We also note the presence of the African B-M60 only in Hazara, with a relatively recent common founder ancestor from East Africa as shown in the RM network (Figure S1D).
PCA of the haplogroups frequency (Figure 1) also shows differences among Afghans. Although the worldwide populations are mostly clustered according to geography, Afghan groups appear to show more affinity to non-Afghans than to each others. Pashtun and Hazara in Afghanistan and Pakistan show affinity to their ethnic groups across borders. The Afghan Tajiks show equal distance to Central Asia and to Iran/Caucasus/West Russia. The Afghan Hazara, Afghan Uzbek, and Pakistan Hazara sit between East Asia and the Middle East/Europe-Caucasus/West Russia cluster.


More details about the structure of the Afghan population appear in the MDS of the 's (Figure 2B) which shows that the Afghan Pashtun and Tajik are closer to North and West Indians than to the other Afghans; Hazara and Uzbek. This cluster also sits between East Europeans and Iranians more close to the Iranians especially to East Azerbaijan. Furthermore, Barrier (Figure 2A) shows that Barrier IV splits the Afghan populations separating the Hazara and Uzbek from the Pashtun, Tajik and the Indian populations, creating groups of populations that have less variation within the groups (2.30%, p<0.001) and more variation among groups (10.48%, p<0.001) compared to populations grouped by region or country (within groups = 4.95%, p<0.001, among groups = 7.16%, p<0.001) (Table S5).


The prevailing Y-chromosome lineage in Pashtun and Tajik (R1a1a-M17), has the highest observed diversity among populations of the Indus Valley [46]. R1a1a-M17 diversity declines toward the Pontic-Caspian steppe where the mid-Holocene R1a1a7-M458 sublineage is dominant [46]. R1a1a7-M458 was absent in Afghanistan, suggesting that R1a1a-M17 does not support, as previously thought [47], expansions from the Pontic Steppe [3], bringing the Indo-European languages to Central Asia and India.
MDS and Barrier analysis have identified a significant affinity between Pashtun, Tajik, North Indian, and West Indian populations, creating an Afghan-Indian population structure that excludes the Hazaras, Uzbeks, and the South Indian Dravidian speakers. In addition, gene flow to Afghanistan from India marked by Indian lineages, L-M20, H-M69, and R2a-M124, also seems to mostly involve Pashtuns and Tajiks. This genetic affinity and gene flow suggests interactions that could have existed since at least the establishment of the region's first civilizations at the Indus Valley and the Bactria-Margiana Archaeological Complex.

[pashtun_rise]

Well genetically speaking...pashtuns r the 2nd closest grp after ashkenazi jews of iran n yemen.But still i dont go 4 genetics theory much as its the maternal genetics could be of mixed type due to marriages with other ethnic grps.Besides..the authenticity of samples taken r also in question... e.g studies taken in karachi wr mostly taken from peshawer areas leaving behind afghani n tribal areas.If more extensive study is done...carefully choosing the subjects..m sure it ll reveal more.

[A.Alraeesi]

Pashtuns are not descendants of israelis. They're descendants of madai son of japeth son of noah who married a daughter of shem son of noah. All iranics and indo-europeans are of this descent too, even kurds still still maintain traditions of descent from Madai, that's why pashtuns and indians are closely related; it's because they've got the same origin. Here's the story i was reading wikipedia (:
According to the Book of Jubilees (10:35-36), Madai had married a daughter of Shem, and preferred to live among Shem's descendants, rather than dwell in Japheth's allotted inheritance beyond the Black Sea; so he begged his brothers-in-law, Elam, Asshur and Arphaxad, until he finally received from them the land that was named after him, Media.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madai

[pashtun_rise]

Pashtuns are not descendants of israelis. They're descendants of madai son of japeth son of noah who married a daughter of shem son of noah. All iranics and indo-europeans are of this descent too, even kurds still still maintain traditions of descent from Madai, that's why pashtuns and indians are closely related; it's because they've got the same origin. Here's the story i was reading wikipedia (:
According to the Book of Jubilees (10:35-36), Madai had married a daughter of Shem, and preferred to live among Shem's descendants, rather than dwell in Japheth's allotted inheritance beyond the Black Sea; so he begged his brothers-in-law, Elam, Asshur and Arphaxad, until he finally received from them the land that was named after him, Media.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madai

Nice story..but there is not much similarity of pashtuns wd subcontinental region...yes with iranians..but that too on border regions of afghanistan and iran.

[A.Alraeesi]

Nice story..but there is not much similarity of pashtuns wd subcontinental region...yes with iranians..but that too on border regions of afghanistan and iran.

I think pashtuns are close to baloch. Sometimes i can't differentiate between the two, they look so identical :p