Pashtun Macedonian link

[Apollyon]

^ greek culture existed for a long time in the region after Alexander invaded, possibly many things were passed down through generations

The Europoid or what we now call Greek culture existed in Nuristan before Alexander arrived, supporting the Kurgan migration theory and or Aryan migration from Either Babylon-east or North of Afghanistan southward. A possible single reason why Alexander stayed in Afghanistan more than Egypt or Persia.




Origins of present-day Nuristani peoples remain a mystery although soldiers of Alexander the Great have been implicated. Physically, the people favor Europeans; blond or red hair and blue or green eyes are seen more frequently than in other Afghan people. Alexander's records from 327 BC mention his expedition there and his armies' defeat by fierce-fighting mountain tribes in the Kunar River area, where they sustained considerable losses. Not long after when Alexander died, his army disbanded but whether remnants of his forces remained in the area is not documented. It is interesting to note, however, that Nuristani games echo those of Greece – javelin throw, shot put and a discus throw using an 8" round, polished stone. Village competitions are held and trophies awarded, culminating in an annual tournament.

Nuristani, Waigeli of Afghanistan Ethnic People Profile

..Y-DNA haplogroup R may be the most numerous Y-DNA in the world today. It is the most prominent haplogroup in Europe at ~50% and the United States at ~42%. The origin Haplogroup R is located in Central to West Asia, although a precise region has not yet been determined. The origin of Haplogroup R dates to 30-35kya in the Paleolithic Era and Pleistocene Epoch. Its entry into Europe at this point coincides with the spread of the Aurignacian culture across Eurasia. Haplogroup R is further linked with the spread of proto-Indo-European languages that took hold as the early languages in large portions of Europe and Asia.

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Eurasian people are clustered as one supporting a western migration, of the ancient Aryans, not from African into South India 20,000 year ago Dravidians are not the same..nice try! A new theory has emerged still supporting the aryan migration only from Iran and Afghanistan, south to India and back north into Eurasia

..Place: Iran or southern Central Asia Estimated Number of Tens of thousands Homo sapiens: Tools and Skills: Upper Paleolithic Your next ancestor, a man born around 40,000 years ago in Iran or southern Central Asia, gave rise to a genetic marker known as which marked a new lineage diverging from the Middle M9, M89 Eastern Clan. His descendants, of which you are one, spent the next 30,000 years populating much of the planet. This large lineage, known as the Eurasian Clan, dispersed gradually over thousands of years. Seasoned hunters followed the herds ever eastward, along the vast super highway of Eurasian steppe. Eventually their path was blocked by the massive mountain ranges of south Central Asia—the Hindu Kush, the Tian Shan, and the Himalayas

http://www.sfu.ca/~hedberg/Olaf_Mykleby_DNA.pdf
Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog

..R1a1a-M198/M17
...However, mitochrondrial DNA (mtDNA) haplogroup diversity in populations living in Turkey, Georgia, Iran, and Central Asia suggested that the predominant direction of gene flow was from west (the Fertile Crescent) ..
Estimations based on glottochronology indicated that the split between Indo-Aryan and Indo-Iranian proper took place around 4700 years ago [93]. At that time, Kalasha, a Dardic language (Indo-Aryan branch), broke off from Indo-Iranian which is itself ancestral to Persian, Tajiki, Baluchi, Ossetian, just as it is to Indo-Aryan (Vedic Sanskrit, etc.). Accordingly, the Kalasha-speaking population


became a genetic isolate possibly because of drift phenomena.

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0076748

[Kushan Prince]

^Alexander was kicked out of Afghanistan like all other invaders. No reason for him to stay in an area he didn't want to stay in. And Nuristanis show no greek heritage they are Iranian like Pashtuns.

[Apollyon]

I thought you were Greek?

All whites share common ancestry, language, culture history, it is up us to preserve it. The difference is so slight, it has to be sent to a lab.

The older threat was the Mongol invasion clearly supported by recent dna test, the next wave of genocide against white culture-race is "multiculturalism", the mixing of the races. If your black be pround celebrate Kwanza, if your Jew celebrate what ever it is you celebrate. Why is it that the white race has no celebration day besides "Nowroz"? If he celebrates it the Dravidians and Oriental races cry foul play, although they are the majority.

The goal of this thread was to show the similarity of ancient cultures and the Pashtun culture being unique and important root of ancient white traditions, now fully supported by Mtdna testing, although Rna test is the confirmation. Perhaps the closest link to Neolithic whites.

[Apollyon]

^Alexander was kicked out of Afghanistan like all other invaders. No reason for him to stay in an area he didn't want to stay in. And Nuristanis show no greek heritage they are Iranian like Pashtuns.

Read post 167 in totality, Nuristan people are genetically isolated, genetic drift per study yet they are an Aryan group by Culture and lifestyle, architecture, engineering, way of life was very very "Europoid-Greek", confirmed by Alexander and his historians. supported by the Migration theory.

Alexanders intention

In reply to a letter from Darius, Alexander had declared his political manifesto:

..Your ancestors invaded Macedonia and the rest of Greece, and without provocation infliced wrongs upon us. I was appointed leader of the Greeks, and crossed over into Asia to avenge these wrongs; for you were the first aggressors.

History of Civilizations of Central Asia: The development of sedentary and ... - Google Books

Alexander should not be viewed with negative connotation. The many works he provided favored our region, mission accomplished, he left on his supporting-uniting the ancient Aryans unlike the Mongols and other culture less people. Alexander built the Gog Magog wall keeping the Hordes of Orients away from Persian region. All this was against the wishes of his military and people, he was a visionary perhaps divinely supported.

[Khostai]

Simple observation you need to live in Europe longer. I am not sure what you mean by "look". As a Pashtun I do not look like Turkoman, or Hindu, or Oriental.

Pashtun culture is unique, "Very similar" to ancient Europoid tribal culture, perhaps the only culture outside Brazilian rainforest that is well preserved compared to any modern culture.

Zoroastrianism brought the ancient Aryans together, but it failed to diminish the Neolithic cultural attributes. Iranian culture is close to Pashtun culture except for the recent feminist ideologies.

Humans are not equal, neither by faith, finance, governance, health, fitness, longevity, morality, cultural accomplishment etc..

If you are Pashtun than you also don't look like a greek, like the majority of Pashtuns don't look like greek, even the ones with light hair and eyes don't look like it. Most of Pashtuns resemble our neigbours, and that is including Indians. Maybe you should travel to Afghanistan.

Pashtuns culture is really difrent, even the way we build our houses is difrent. Ancient European villages or towns you never saw singel houses being surendered with high wall like that in Pashtun villages. In Europe you saw small villages close toghether surround with one common wal, in Pashtun land every hous has its own wall.

[Kushan Prince]

If you are Pashtun than you also don't look like a greek, like the majority of Pashtuns don't look like greek, even the ones with light hair and eyes don't look like it. Most of Pashtuns resemble our neigbours, and that is including Indians. Maybe you should travel to Afghanistan.

Pashtuns culture is really difrent, even the way we build our houses is difrent. Ancient European villages or towns you never saw singel houses being surendered with high wall like that in Pashtun villages. In Europe you saw small villages close toghether surround with one common wal, in Pashtun land every hous has its own wall.

Holy crap you too? If anything Pashtuns are most releated to tajiks not masala smelling indians! Get your head out of your ass!

[Apollyon]

If you are Pashtun than you also don't look like a greek, like the majority of Pashtuns don't look like greek, even the ones with light hair and eyes don't look like it. Most of Pashtuns resemble our neigbours, and that is including Indians. Maybe you should travel to Afghanistan.

Pashtuns culture is really difrent, even the way we build our houses is difrent. Ancient European villages or towns you never saw singel houses being surendered with high wall like that in Pashtun villages. In Europe you saw small villages close toghether surround with one common wal, in Pashtun land every hous has its own wall.

Pashtuns did not descend from Greek, but both are Caucasian Mediterranean. However this does not dismiss-refute the ancient culture similarities and traditions.

The pashtun friends I have look Irani (tehrani-fars region) or Greek or Italian. My family does not look anything Indian, oriental or Turk. Often people mistake us for Italian or Greek. My Irani friends laugh girls are clueless, they say "how come you Afghans don't look like afghans living in Iran"

The way homes where built in this region 100 years ago resembled ancient homes throughout the middle-ancient world. Designed simple and to last, form over function if you will.

Kushan,

The Russian Journal of Genetic Genealogy : Vol 2 , No 1 , 20 1 1
The origin of the Pashtuns

According to the cultural tradition Pathan have origins from Jews. But as will be shown below this tradition is irrelevant to the Pashtun Y - haplogroups, which generally are of non - Middle Eastern origin.

Among the potential ancestors of the Pashtuns with haplogroup R 1a1a may include: 1. Indo-Aryans who invaded India through Afghanistan.

Northern Afghan 50, R1A1, Southern Afghan 66,6

it should be noted that most of the Southern Pashtuns belong to two tribal unions: Durrani (derived from the first son of Pathan) and Ghilzai (derived from the second son of Pathan). Durrani live i n western and southwestern Afghanistan; Ghilzai live in the south and south - eastern Afghanistan

Sabitov

Pashtuns have the highest rate of R1a1a dna in the world, proving that they are infact the closets to ancient Aryans-whites.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...9lqRQ3Yw&pli=1

Pashtuns are closer to Irani-Europoids than Middle easterners. Southern Afghans being less diversity than Northern. Hindukush formed a barrier to gene flow between north and south populations. Southern population, are genetically closer to Kurgan region- Southwest Russia. The original Aryans that migrated thousands of years ago into Afghanistan.

A few studies that did showed in small sample affinities to South Indians or Punjabi's "is not a fair representation of most Pashtuns". Please keep the following references as diologu evidence for anyone that attributes Pashtuns with Pakis or Punjabs or Hindus we are not from them, our ancestorial origins is Europoid not Hindu

or Harrapan see below study, which proves Pashtuns invaded the Harrapa region and mixed there thousands of years ago

Pathan/Pashtun Admixture Results | Harappa Ancestry Project

A commentator "Paul" summed up all the above

"Another "trend" I've noticed from the samples we the project has is that the Pashtuns who have less of the South Indian component seem to have significantly more of the Caucasian component and slightly more of the East Eurasian (mostly Siberian and NE Asian) components that offset the lesser South Indian component. In the case of HGDP, it is essentially entirely East Eurasian ancestry that lowers his South Indian and Baloch components"

[Kushan Prince]

^ give it up, we all know your a pashtun posing as a Greek. And the only Indians that have Aryan blood are a few brahmins and they are related to pashtuns, not the other way around!

[Apollyon]

^ give it up, we all know your a pashtun posing as a Greek. And the only Indians that have Aryan blood are a few brahmins and they are related to pashtuns, not the other way around!

The assumptions you dribble are not supported by reason, logic or science. The result of Aryan invasion are half breeds but there are many Pashtuns from southern region and mountaneous region that are "pure aryan", with little or no admixture of Southern Asian.

Appears that Half breed's, Dravidian's, Pakistani, Indian are posting rubbish here, the parasites may speak Pashtu that does not make them Pashtun or Aryan but modern sorcery, lip magic.

The mediterranian races Iranic and Greek share close ancestry.The Macedonian here clearly fall closer to Europoid R1A1.

The Indo-Iranian migrations progressed further south across the Hindu Kush. By 1700 BCE, horse-riding pastoralists had penetrated into Balochistan (south-west Pakistan). The Indus valley succumbed circa 1500 BCE, and the northern and central parts of the Indian subcontinent were taken over by 500 BCE. Westward migrations led Old Indic Sanskrit speakers riding war chariots to Assyria, where they became the Mitanni rulers from circa 1500 BCE. The Medes, Parthians and Persians, all Iranian speakers from the Andronovo culture, moved into the Iranian plateau from 800 BCE. Those that stayed in Central Asia are remembered by history as the Scythians, while the Yamna descendants who remained in the Pontic-Caspian steppe became known as the Sarmatians to the ancient Greeks and Romans.

Haplogroup R1a (Y-DNA) - Eupedia

Afghanistan Facts
risk assessment..the majority Pashtun are from a Mediterranean variant of the Europoid racial stock and speak primarily the Iranian-based language

MAR | Data | Assessment for Uzbeks in Afghanistan

Azeri (eastern), Irani, Pashtun from Afghanistan closer than any group

..Based on the Afghan Pashtun Y-DNA presented in this paper, they will likely turn out to be more West Eurasian than their Pakistani counterparts based on elevated frequencies of R1a1a-M17 and less/no L1-M27 and O-M175-derived subclades. Please note the inflated frequencies of L1c-M357 and Q*-M242 among the Afghan Pashtuns are the result of genetic drift (I concluded this safely with the latter but did observe greater STR variation in the former).

Although no maternal (mtDNA) data was supplied with this paper, we can predict the Afghan Pashtuns will again turn out to be more West Eurasian based on previous studies, where geography appears to be (one of) the driving factors.

Vaêdhya: Showcasing of Y-DNA Variation Among Afghan Ethnic Groups

Note the Laghmani in this study was noted being mixed with Tajik not pure Pashton, result is not conclusive the same problem-error can mislead from the study showing Pashtuns having frequency of South Asian, both being not pure Pashtun!

Family Tree DNA - R1a1a and Subclades Y-DNA Project

Showcasing of Y-Dna Variation Amongh Afghan Ethnic Groups

https://docs.google.com/folderview?i...&usp=drive_web

As more genetic test's are conducted with higher samples using Southern and Mountainous Pashtuns, the results should confirm that Pashtuns are not Pakistani, Indian or Jew but Europoid,

keeping real..Ariana...

[Karachi]

^ give it up, we all know your a pashtun posing as a Greek. And the only Indians that have Aryan blood are a few brahmins and they are related to pashtuns, not the other way around!

there is not such thing as aryan blood, aryans existed 4000 years ago, how do you know what is their blood?

the word aryan in genetics is not even used, because every human in the world is mixed, no such thing as pure race. Even aryan themselves were mixed

[Karachi]

The assumptions you dribble are not supported by reason, logic or science. The result of Aryan invasion are half breeds but there are many Pashtuns from southern region and mountaneous region that are "pure aryan", with little or no admixture of Southern Asian.

Appears that Half breed's, Dravidian's, Pakistani, Indian are posting rubbish here, the parasites may speak Pashtu that does not make them Pashtun or Aryan but modern sorcery, lip magic.

The mediterranian races Iranic and Greek share close ancestry.The Macedonian here clearly fall closer to Europoid R1A1.

The Indo-Iranian migrations progressed further south across the Hindu Kush. By 1700 BCE, horse-riding pastoralists had penetrated into Balochistan (south-west Pakistan). The Indus valley succumbed circa 1500 BCE, and the northern and central parts of the Indian subcontinent were taken over by 500 BCE. Westward migrations led Old Indic Sanskrit speakers riding war chariots to Assyria, where they became the Mitanni rulers from circa 1500 BCE. The Medes, Parthians and Persians, all Iranian speakers from the Andronovo culture, moved into the Iranian plateau from 800 BCE. Those that stayed in Central Asia are remembered by history as the Scythians, while the Yamna descendants who remained in the Pontic-Caspian steppe became known as the Sarmatians to the ancient Greeks and Romans.

Haplogroup R1a (Y-DNA) - Eupedia

Afghanistan Facts
risk assessment..the majority Pashtun are from a Mediterranean variant of the Europoid racial stock and speak primarily the Iranian-based language

MAR | Data | Assessment for Uzbeks in Afghanistan

Azeri (eastern), Irani, Pashtun from Afghanistan closer than any group

..Based on the Afghan Pashtun Y-DNA presented in this paper, they will likely turn out to be more West Eurasian than their Pakistani counterparts based on elevated frequencies of R1a1a-M17 and less/no L1-M27 and O-M175-derived subclades. Please note the inflated frequencies of L1c-M357 and Q*-M242 among the Afghan Pashtuns are the result of genetic drift (I concluded this safely with the latter but did observe greater STR variation in the former).

Although no maternal (mtDNA) data was supplied with this paper, we can predict the Afghan Pashtuns will again turn out to be more West Eurasian based on previous studies, where geography appears to be (one of) the driving factors.

Vaêdhya: Showcasing of Y-DNA Variation Among Afghan Ethnic Groups

Note the Laghmani in this study was noted being mixed with Tajik not pure Pashton, result is not conclusive the same problem-error can mislead from the study showing Pashtuns having frequency of South Asian, both being not pure Pashtun!

Family Tree DNA - R1a1a and Subclades Y-DNA Project

Showcasing of Y-Dna Variation Amongh Afghan Ethnic Groups

https://docs.google.com/folderview?i...&usp=drive_web

As more genetic test's are conducted with higher samples using Southern and Mountainous Pashtuns, the results should confirm that Pashtuns are not Pakistani, Indian or Jew but Europoid,

keeping real..Ariana...

You keep posting BS. no doubt pasthuns/afghans are more west eurasian then south asians, no one will ever deny this, however they are not europeans, no genetic tests on them suggests they are europeans. Even the lastest paper on them

[Apollyon]

karachi,

The data manipulation by your kind is withholding information that the Pashtun's in the studies were mixed which explains the slight south Asian admixture. The frustration Denial you share is a result of you not being Aryan, high possibility your a half breed Pakistani, Dravidian or Indian but science over emotions.

The scientific post's clearly used the term's Dravidian as ethnic geographic region and Aryan as a geographic region,

From mother India, the Aryans were northern-Western Race!

Indians are not descendants of Aryans, says new study

"Both the ancestry components that dominate genetic variation in South Asia demonstrate much greater diversity than those that predominate West Eurasia. This is indicative of a more ancient demographic history and a higher long-term effective population size underlying South Asian genome variation compared to that of West Eurasia," researchers said.
"The genetic component which spread beyond India is significantly higher in India than in any other part of world. This implies that this genetic component originated in India and then spread to West Asia and Caucasus," said Gyaneshwar Chaube of University of Tartu, Estonia.

If any migration from Central Asia to South Asia took place, the study says, it should have introduced apparent signals of East Asian ancestry into India. "Because this ancestry component is absent from the region, we have to conclude that if such an event indeed took place, it occurred before the East Asian ancestry component reached central Asia," it said.

Indians are not descendants of Aryans, says new study : North, News - India Today

More garbage from India, Aryans did not penetrate southern parts but north India, Furthermore, the invasion occured from Afghanistan not eastern parts of Iran. Eastern Iranian have less R1A1 than western Iranian.



A new study just came out providing evidence that a possible Aryan migration out of Central Asia and into Europe may have occured, this would further explain the language simarlaties and tradition ties.

European's being R1A (eastern) and R1b (western) and Eurasia Predominatly R1A and slight R1B. What a rediclous post Aryans existed 4000 years ago, the just dissapeared? Your confusing the Aryans of Harrapa which was a result of invasions, north Indians carry Aryan blood, from conquering tribes of the North and West.

A Harvard professor says the Aryan homeland is Afghanistan! Karachi says they do not exist because he is confused possibly possessed by daemons-jinns, stop trolling here!

Aryan home land

http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/AryanHome.pdf

[M17ArnoBaloch]

there is not such thing as aryan blood, aryans existed 4000 years ago, how do you know what is their blood?

the word aryan in genetics is not even used, because every human in the world is mixed, no such thing as pure race. Even aryan themselves were mixed

Back in the day they were called Aryans, but its not used anymore. Actually it still is because I was taking Religion course in my University and the professor when talking about Hinduism talked about Aryans and their migration to the land (The Aryans were strictly against mixing with local Indians and wanted to keep their lineage lean and clean but there were a few who did mix).

I think khushan prince is saying that those Indians that have light features (Distinct looking) than other Indians are decendents or resultants of Aryans who mixed and passed down their genes in them a long time ago which is true. But the word itself is not used anymore but it does have historical background.

Apollyon

This is confessed in many books that Iran is the Land of Aryans, IRAN = ARYAN

btw IRAN sounds like ARYAN. Iran = Aryan or the Land of Aryans. So I'll go with Iran being the land of Aryans not Afghanistan. Greater Persia to be specific which includes Afghanistan.

[M17ArnoBaloch]

Karachi says they do not exist because he is confused possibly possessed by daemons-jinns, stop trolling here!

They don't exist anymore. THEY EXISTED IN HISTORY.

They used to exist, in history. But not anymore, they disappeared, absorbed and mixed thousands of years ago which explains why there are no Aryans today. All the Aryans mixed or resettled in different parts of the world. They went extinct. But Aryan blood is still running in many people in the world today, except some kinky Aryan-wannabees inferiority complex keyboard warriors.

Bring me a full-breed Aryan today. Full breed. You can't. Because they are absorbed and mixed today.

[Karachi]

Back in the day they were called Aryans, but its not used anymore. Actually it still is because I was taking Religion course in my University and the professor when talking about Hinduism talked about Aryans and their migration to the land (The Aryans were strictly against mixing with local Indians and wanted to keep their lineage lean and clean but there were a few who did mix).

I think khushan prince is saying that those Indians that have light features (Distinct looking) than other Indians are decendents or resultants of Aryans who mixed and passed down their genes in them a long time ago which is true. But the word itself is not used anymore but it does have historical background.

Apollyon

This is confessed in many books that Iran is the Land of Aryans, IRAN = ARYAN

btw IRAN sounds like ARYAN. Iran = Aryan or the Land of Aryans. So I'll go with Iran being the land of Aryans not Afghanistan. Greater Persia to be specific which includes Afghanistan.

India was invaded a thousand times by different empires, this is why certain indians show different features then typical (indian) features. This doesn't prove anything regarding aryans. Aryans were a group of people that existed 3000-4000 years ago, after that so many other people came and mixed with people living in the region