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  • Al Beruni on afghans/pashtuns?

    While researching about arab conquest of afghanistan/south asia region, I found some quotes on Wikipedia of Al Biruni talking about Afghan / Pashtuns, is this authentic? i have doubts



    From the eighth century to the ninth century, many inhabitants of what is present-day Afghanistan, Pakistan, and areas of northern India were converted to Sunni Islam. It is surmised from the writings of Al Biruni that some Pashtuns living in Pakhtunkhwa (present-day western Pakistan) had not been completely converted. Al Biruni, writing in Tarikh al Hind, also alludes to the Pashtun tribes of Pakhtunkhwa as being neither Muslim nor Hindu, but simply Afghans which may mean that they practiced Pashtunwali. “ Al Beruni mentions the Afghans once (ed Sachau, I 208)saying that in the western mountains of India live various tribes of Afghans who extend to the neighbourhood of the Sindh (ie Indus )valley .Thus in the eleventh century when the Afghans are first mentioned , they are found occupying the Sulaiman Mountains now occupied by their descendents , the very tribes which the advocates of the exclusive claims of the Durannis will not admit to be true Afghans . Al Beruni no doubt also alludes to them in the passage (loc. Cit .p 199 ) where he says that rebellious savage races , tribes of Hindus , or akin to them inhabit the mountains which form the frontier of India towards the west .[7] ”

    “ The most explicit mentioning of the Afghans appears in Al- Baruni’s Tarikh al hind (eleventh century AD) Here it is said that various tribes of Afghans lived in the mountains in the west of India . Al Baruni adds that they were savage people and he describes them as Hindus .,[8]


    Islamic conquest of Afghanistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Last edited by Karachi; 12-24-2011, 02:27 PM.

  • #2
    and your point is?

    and why have you BOLDED the parts where he refers to Afghans as savages?

    what are you trying here mr karachi?
    and why are you feeling insulted when someone talks abotu hindus,is the little hindu still alive in you?
    do you want to bring your anti arab hatred into history as well?

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    • #3
      ^ well in my head I always thought the arab conquest of Afghanistan was easy simply because pashtuns followed (pashtunwali) before which had many similar Islamic aspects. Al Beruni also called persian, indians etc.. in these terms, so I am assuming it was a common thing to call others like this
      Last edited by Karachi; 12-24-2011, 02:02 PM.

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      • #4
        The source is falsified. I have read the original source. Al Biruni refered to Pashtuns (Afghans) as people of pagan background, who were neither Hindus, Muslims or Christians nor Zoroastrians or Manichaens. He wrote that they have an own culture close to the modern people of Nuristan. Take in mind that modern Pashtuns are not the same Pashtuns of ancient times. We have adoptet many non-Pashtuns, turned to Islam, created an own identity and so on. Al Biruni had nowhere mentioned the word ''Pashtun'' or ''Pashtunvali''. I strongly doubt that Pashtunvali existed then.

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        • #5
          isnt al biruni an afghan?

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          • #6
            ^ he was arab scholar but yes born in afghanistan I think: AL-BIRUNI

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            • #7
              wth is wrong with ppl saying ibn sena and albiruni are not afg and claim they are uzbak or wth is say?

              i just take a look and those stupid filthy persians triad to say abu hanifa is persian the same to the rest !!

              thats not a new thing those ppl always wanted to steal our Scholars our history ....!!!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Karachi View Post
                ^ he was arab scholar but yes born in afghanistan I think: AL-BIRUNI
                arab ? LOL really?

                plz dont joke with me.

                HE WAS AFGHAN FROM AN AFGHAN FATHER.

                the arabs them selfs KNOW that. but they dont claim he is arab they just say he is muslim and dont show anything about his being afghan.

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                • #9
                  In this source it says he was born in uzbekistan and died in afghanistan: Al-Biruni biography

                  But I think he was arab ethinically

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by sunni View Post
                    arab ? LOL really?

                    plz dont joke with me.

                    HE WAS AFGHAN FROM AN AFGHAN FATHER.

                    the arabs them selfs KNOW that. but they dont claim he is arab they just say he is muslim and dont show anything about his being afghan.
                    I am not really sure man, there are many different version out there. I always thought he was arab, but i could be wrong

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                    • #11
                      i just download an arab book and its talks about afg before islam and after islam its written by arab.

                      he post like 11 afghan scholar names and said there is others.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Karachi View Post
                        In this source it says he was born in uzbekistan and died in afghanistan: Al-Biruni biography

                        But I think he was arab ethinically
                        lol **** this source read this stupid wiki link.
                        the first lines says he was from afg father from balakh.
                        http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%...8A%D9%86%D8%A7

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                        • #13
                          ^ but isn't his work in (arabic) or was it translated later to arabic?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Karachi View Post
                            I am not really sure man, there are many different version out there. I always thought he was arab, but i could be wrong
                            i know but not diff versions they just don't like to point out to the truth.

                            about he being arab NO he is not, u can read the arabic link.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Karachi View Post
                              ^ but isn't his work in (arabic) or was it translated later to arabic?
                              he learn arabic and he writed in arabic too.

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