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    sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

    And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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    • MEHMOOD GHAZNAVI BY MUSLIM HISTORIANS:


      Yamīn al-Dawla Abul-Qāṣim Maḥmūd ibn Sebüktegīn, more commonly known as*Mahmud of Ghazni*(Persian: محمود غَزنوی‎ /*Maḥmūd-e Ġaznawī; 2 November 971 – 30 April 1030),
      Also known as*Mahmud-i Zabuli*(Persian:محمود زابلی‎), was the most prominent Turkic ruler of the*Ghaznavid Empire. In the name of*Islam, he conquered the easternIranian lands*,afghanistan and the north western pakistan and northern india from 997 to his death in 1030. Mahmud turned the former provincial city of*Ghazna*into the wealthy capital of an extensive empire which covered most of today's*Afghanistan, eastern*Iran, and*Pakistan.east on indus.He was the first ruler to carry the titleSultan("authority"), signifying the extent of his power, though preserving the ideological link to the*suverainty*of the Abbassid Caliphate. During his rule, he invaded parts of*Hindustan*(east of the*Indus River) 17 times.

      Early life and origins:
      Mahmud was born on Thursday, 10th of Muharram, 361 AH/ November 2, 971 AD (Old Style) in the town of*Ghaznain*Medieval Khorasan*(in what is now south-eastern*Afghanistan). His father,*Abu Mansur Sabuktigin, was a Turkic soldier*of the*Samanids. His mother was the daughter of a*Persian aristocrat from*Zabulistan.

      Early career:

      Sultan Mahmud and his forces attacking the fortress of Zaranj
      In 994, Mahmud joined his father*Sebuktigin*in the capture of Khorasan from the rebel Fa'iq in aid of the*SamanidEmir,*Nuh II.

      Reign:
      Mahmud took over his father's kingdom in 998 after defeating and capturing Ismail at theBattle of Ghazni. He then set out west from Ghazni to take the*Kandahar region*followed by*Bost*(Lashkar Gah), where he turned it into an advanced city.

      In 1001, Mahmud initiated the first of numerous invasion of northern India and modern pakistan.In 1002, Mahmud invaded*Sistan, dethroned*Khalaf I, last of the*Saffarid*rulers, and ended the Saffarid dynasty.

      Mahmud's first campaign to the south was against the*Ismaili*Kingdom at*Multan*in a bid to uproot the rebellion from ismailis recognition of Abbassid*Caliphate.At this point, Jayapala attempted to gain revenge for an earlier military defeat at the hands of Mahmud's father, who had controlled Ghazni in the late 980s and had cost Jayapala extensive territory. His son*Anandapala*succeeded him and continued to conspire to avenge his father's suicide. He assembled a powerful confederacy which faced defeat as his elephant turned back against his own forces.

      Ghaznavid campaigns in Indian Subcontinent
      Following the defeat of the*Rajput*Confederacy, after deciding to retaliate for their combined resistance, Mahmud then set out on regular expeditions against them and conquered most of punjab.

      In 1001 Mahmud of Ghazni had first invaded modern Pakistan. Mahmud defeated, captured and later released Shahi ruler Jaya Pala who had moved his capital to*Peshawar(modern Pakistan). Jaya Pala killed himself and was succeeded by his son Ananda Pala. In 1005 Mahmud of Ghazni invaded Bhatia (probably Bhera) and in 1006 he invaded multan*at which time Ananda Pala's army attacked him.The following year Mahmud of Ghazni attacked and crushed Sukha Pala, ruler of*Bhatinda*(who had became ruler by rebelling against the Shahi kingdom). In 1013, during Mahmud's 8th expedition into modern day Pakistan, the Shahi kingdom was over thrown.Anandpala fleed.

      In 1014 Mahmud led an expedition to*Thanesar. The next year he unsuccessfully attacked*Kashmir. In 1018, he attacked Mathura*and defeated a coalition of rulers there while also killing a ruler called Chandra Pala. In 1021 Mahmud supported the*Kanauj*king against Chandella Ganda who was defeated. That same year Shahi Trilochana Pala was killed at Rahib and his son Bhima Pala succeeded him.*Lahore(modern Pakistan) was annexed by Mahmud. Mahmud besieged*Gwalior, in 1023.Mahmud attacked*Somnath, in 1025, and its ruler Bhima Deva I fled. The next year, he captured Somnath and marched to Kachch against Bhima Deva. That same year Mahmud also attacked the*Jats*of Jud.

      The Indian kingdoms of*Nagarkot,*Thanesar,*Kannauj,*Gwalior, and*Ujjain*were all conquered and left in the hands of Hindu,Jain*and*Buddhist*Kings.

      Patron of the arts and poetry
      Mahmud brought whole libraries from Rayy and Isfahan to Ghazni. He even demanded that the Khwarizmshah court send its men of learning to Ghazni.

      The notable poet*Ferdowsi, after laboring 27 years, went to Ghazni and presented the*Shahnameh*to Mahmud. There are various stories in medieval texts describing the interest shown by Mahmud in Ferdowsi and his life's work. According to historians, Mahmud had promised Ferdowsi a*dinar*for every distich written in the Shahnameh (60,000 dinars).

      Tomb:
      Sultan Mahmud died on 30 April 1030. His*mausoleum*is located in Ghazni, Afghanistan.

      Campaign timeline:
      As emir:
      994: Gained the title of Saif-ud-daula and became Governor of*Khorasan*under service to*Nuh II*of theSamanids*in civil strife995: The Samanid rebels Fa'iq (leader of a court faction that had defeated Alptigin's nomination for Emir) and Abu Ali expel Mahmud from*Nishapur. Mahmud and Sabuktigin defeat Samanid rebels at*TusAs sultan.
      997:*Qarakhanid*Empire999: Khorasan, Balkh,*Herat, Merv from the Samanids. A concurrent invasion from the north by the Qarakhanids under Elik Khan (Nasr Khan) ends Samanid rule.
      1000:*Seistan*from*Saffarid Dynasty
      1001:*Gandhara: Sultan Mahmud defeats*Jayapala*at*Peshawar; Jayapala subsequently abdicates and commits suicide.
      1002: Seistan: Imprisoned Khuluf1004: Bhatia (Bhera) annexed after it fails to pay its yearly tribute.
      1004 CE1005-6:*Multan*Fateh Daud the*Shia*Ismaili*ruler of Multan revolts and enlists the aid of*Anandapala. Mahmud killed mercenaries of ismailis of Multan in the course of his attacks.Anandpala flees.
      Appoints Sewakpal to administer the region.*Anandapala*flees to*Kashmir fort in the hills on the western border of*Kashmir.Later was assassinated by his own troops.

      1005: Defends Balkh and Khorasan against Nasr I of the Qarakhanids and recaptures*Nishapur*from*Isma'il Muntasir*of the Samanids.1005: Sewakpal rebels and is defeated.1008:

      1010: Ghor; against*Mohammad ibn Sur1010: Multan revolts. Abul Fatah Dawood imprisoned for life at Ghazni.
      1012-1013: Attacks Thaneshwar[16]1012: Joor-jistan: Captures Sar(Czar??)-Abu-Nasr1012: Invades*Gharchistan*and deposes it's ruler*Abu Nasr Muhammad1012: Demands and receives remainder of the province of Khorasan from the*Abassid*Caliph.
      1013: Bulnat: Defeats Trilochanpala.1014 :Kafirstan*attacked
      1015: Mahmud's army attacked lahore, but his expedition to*Kashmir*fails, due to inclement weather.
      1015:*Khwarezm: Marries his sister to Abul Abbas Mamun of Khwarezm who dies in the same year in a rebellion. Moves to quell the rebellion and installs a new ruler and annexes a portion.

      *Somnath: Mahmud personally hammered the temple's gilded*Lingam*to pieces and the stone fragments were carted back to Ghazni, where they were incorporated into the steps of the city's new*Jama Masjid*(Friday*Mosque) in 1026. He placed a new king on the throne in Gujarat*as a tributary.
      1025: Marched against the*Jats*of the Jood mountains who harried his army on its returned.
      Buyid*(Daylami) Dynasty.1028, 1029:
      By 1027, Mahmud had accomplished this as well as capturing most of modern day pakistan as well as obtaining formal recognition of Ghazni's sovereignty from the Abbasid*Caliph,*al-Qadir, as well as the honorific titles of*wali amir al-muminin*("Friend of theCommander of the Faithful") and*Yamin al-Dawla wa Amin al-Milla("Right Hand of the State and Keeper of the Community").

      Mahmud,is considered to be a*Ghazi*who waged*jihad*on theHindus. His plunder of Hindu temples and centers of learning is noted later in the article.*Al-Biruni*writes:

      From the tenth century onwards as Persian language and culture continued to spread into Afghanistan, the focus of power shifted to*Ghazni, where a Turkish dynasty, who started by ruling the town for the Samanid dynasty of Bokhara, proceeded to create an empire in their own right. The greatest of the Ghaznavids was Muhmad who ruled between 998 and 1030.

      Attack on 'Kafiristan':

      Ismailis: In 965 CE, Multan was conquered by Halam b. Shayban, an*Ismaili*da’i. Mahmud invaded Multan in 1005 CE, conducting a series of campaigns during which the Ismailis assassins of Multan were killed.

      Destruction of Somnath Temple:

      He arrived there in the middle of Zi-l k’ada, 416 A.H. (December, 1025 A.D.). “The king looked upon the idol with wonder, and gave orders for the seizing of the spoil, and dinars."
      sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

      And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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        Orientalists blame that Mehmood Ghaznavi was a culprit, dacoit and a bad man who has no aim but to rob common people and population, but the reality is much different. Mehmood is counted as brilliants leader among the great leaders of the world. Some researchers of current era count him as “Bismarck of 10th Century”. he converted an ordinary state of Ghazna (now Afghanistan) into a great empire of the world.

        Sultan Mehmood Ghaznavi was born on 2nd December 971 AD. His father Sebuktigin was Ameer of Ghazna and his mother Zabulistan was a daughter of an aristocrat. In childhood for education Mehmood Ghaznavi was by shadow (under supervision) of his teacher Abu Nasr, where as, warfare and sword arson was taught by Ameer Sabuktigin (Ameer of Ghazna) himself. when some dukes/lords or Ameer Noon (Shah Bukhara) raised mutiny against him, he asked for the aid from Sebuktigin. On that occasion Mehmood Ghaznavi showed his valor that Ameer Noon awarded him with the titles of Saif -ad-Dawlah and made him supereme commander of the Army of Khurasan Province. After the death of Ameer Sebuktigin in 998AD, Mehmood Ghaznavi was coronated. Sebuktigin, his father advised him in his will before death that, “Donot spare devil like hindu Maharajas, otherwise they will wipe you out forever”. The Ameer of Bukhara although had recognized him King of Ghazna but gave the rank of Supreme Commander to another ruler. In the result of which Sultan Mehmood Ghanavi defeated Ameer-e-Khurasan, captured the province and acknowledge the Khalifat of Abbasi Khalifah Qadir Billah. Khalifah granted the certificate of authority and recognized him as the ruler of all the provinces under the Sultan’s throne at that time. Furthermore, Khalifah awarded him with the titles of Yamin-ad-Dawlah and Ameen-ul-Millat.

        In the period of Sebuktigin Raja Jaypal attacked deadly on Ghazna twice but defeated. Now Raja Jaypal tried to strike Ghazna again this was the reason due to which Mehmood Ghaznavi had to give him a tough time. On 27th November 1001AD Jaypal was defeated again near Peshawar.

        Mehmood Ghaznavi was the worst enemy of the Qaramtah (a grpoup). Ibn Jarir al Tabari writes that,”Qaramatis invented an other religion other than Islam and unveiled the sword on Ummat-e-Muhammadi”. It is believed that Qaramtis on 12th January 930AD invaded Makkah during Hajj and took the Hajr-e-Aswad (Black Stone is the eastern cornerstone of Kaaba) away and pirated precious items like golden grids, valuable lanterns, Chandelier, curtains and valuables used for beauty of Kaaba. After 20 years in 951AD Hajr-e-Aswad (Black Stone) was returned to the people of Makkah on the order of Fatmid Khalifah Al-Mansoor. The Rular of Ghaur & Herat Muhammad Bin Soori was also converted to Qaramti. Ghaznavi moved to crush him. Ruler of Multan Abu Al-fateh Al Dawood Bin Nasar also belong to Qaramtis Sect. Qaramta had become a severe threat to the Islamic world in those days. Sultan Mehmood daparted from Ghazna in April 1006AD to wipe the Qaramta out of Multan & Sindh. Raja Anand Pal resisted him near Peshawar. Sultan defeated his army and headed towards Multan. When Dawood came to know about the invasion he ran away to some island of Indus River. Whereas, the army of Dawood fortified and fought with Sultan. The blockade lasted for a week. After the victory of Sultan Mehmood Ghaznavi, the civilian of the fort were spared their live after paying the ransom of twenty millions but the life of Qaramta (Qaramti) was not spared. In 1008AD Sultan Mehmood Ghaznavi subdued Raja Anand Pal, invaded Kashmir twice. Uptill 1018AD he successfully reached River Jamna (Yumuna). In 1021AD invaded Lahore, defeated Raja Bhimsen and annexed Punjab territory to the Sultanate of Ghazna and appointed his Governor.

        The biggest attack of the Sultan Ghaznavi was on the Temple of Somnath situated in Gujrat (Kathiawar) in 1026AD. In Hindi Language “SO” means “The Moon” and “Mnath” means “Lord”. So the meaning of Somnath is the “Lord of Moon”. Some muslims believe that Somnath was the same idol was fixed in Kaaba by Kuffar-e-Makkah with name of “Manat” with the rising of Islam the worshiper of manat felt danger and they smuggled it Maha Bharata (Now India). It was then placed near coastal area or Gujrat- Kathiawar and published the news that it was appeared from the sea. They named it “Somnath” instead of “Manat” (ref: Akhri Marka by Naseem Hijazi- P. 322).

        The territory was a coastal base. The Fatimid used this path to aid Qaramtah and hindus believed that Somnath will wreck the Sultan & his Army. This was the greatest challenge which brought Sultan to Somnath Temple. Sultan Mehmood was a true & radical muslim. He used to offer 2 Rakat Nafil in the battle field and the history has witnessed that even with small army Allah Almighty always granted victory in every field/battle.

        After the successful attack on Somnath when sultan entered the main hall of the temple where the Idol was placed he saw that there are many small idols were surrounding the Somnath idol. The smalls were smashed on Sultan’s order then came the turn of Somnath, the lords and priests fell down in the feet ho Sultan. Appealed to leave Somnath for which they offer the gold equivalent to weight of that idol.

        On hearing this face of sultan turned red with anger he replied, “I do not intend to be known as Idol Seller, rather I desire to be known as Idol Feller”. It must be cleared that Sultan Mehmood Ghaznavi never Forced Islam on non-Muslims and never ever looted any temple whenever any territory came under his rule. When Somnath was conquered the reputation went around the globe, the Khalifah of Baghdad awarded him with many titles & appreciated a lot. Sultan Mehmood Ghaznavi was a man of a scholar as well as a brave king. He was education friendly. He was very generous and used to grant awards & prizes to the literary poets and scholars. It is said that 400 poets & scholars were associated with his Darbar (Court). Whenever he conquered a state he used to bring the leading scholars of the territory with him. He built a library where the rare & precious books around the world were kept safely. He was a figure of justice. He used to hear complaints by himself. Sentenced punishment to culprits, he strictly observed prayers & fasting even in battles as well as other teaching of Islam. He used to recite Holy Quran Regularly.

        Sultan Mehmood Ghaznavi Swept the effects of Qaramatah from his vast sultanate. He always respected pious & noble people. Those Hindus who were subjects ( رعایا ) of Sultan, they were facilitated by all means. They even had their own Neighborhood (محلہ) where they can live and perform their religious rituals and affairs freely.

        On April 30th, 1030AD at the age of 60, this Great Muslim Warrior King and Idol Feller left the mortal world. He is buried in Qasr-e-Feroza in Ghazna.

        There are many famous myths/stories associated with Ghaznavi and his loyal servant Ayyaz. A famous event is when Sultan Ghaznavi gave him his ring and ordered him to inscribe a sentence that whenever I see it in happiness I become sad, and when I see it in sadness I become happy. Then keen slave inscribed that, “THIS TIME WILL ALSO PASS BY”.

        sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

        And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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        • Pashtuns were converted to Islam by Arabs, not Turks.
          "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

          -Old Pashtun proverb




          "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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          • Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
            Pashtuns were converted to Islam by Arabs, not Turks.
            Read previous pages...i ve told this already.Mehmood ggaznavi account i ve given on basis of non muslim and muslims both.
            sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

            And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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            • Originally posted by ghumbasa View Post
              Read previous pages...i ve told this already.Mehmood ggaznavi account i ve given on basis of non muslim and muslims both.
              Arabs brought Islam to Afghanistan and converted many natives, ghaznavi just finished the conversion by converting the remaining natives. But even during his time, many of the natives were not converted to islam and practised other religions. Even the ghorids who came after the turks were not born muslims but rather former buddhists converted to islam due to pressure and influence from the native tribes.

              So in essence, Arabs brought islam to much of western, northern and southern Afghanistan. The Pashtuns of the east and the tribal areas were more stubborn and did not convert.
              "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

              -Old Pashtun proverb




              "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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              • Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
                Arabs brought Islam to Afghanistan and converted many natives, ghaznavi just finished the conversion by converting the remaining natives. But even during his time, many of the natives were not converted to islam and practised other religions. Even the ghorids who came after the turks were not born muslims but rather former buddhists converted to islam due to pressure and influence from the native tribes.

                So in essence, Arabs brought islam to much of western, northern and southern Afghanistan. The Pashtuns of the east and the tribal areas were more stubborn and did not convert.
                So where did i say that they were not arabs who brought islam ? I ve described khalid bin walid ra story.
                Many tribes were not budhists as you claim.Natives of peshawer were budhists ...but pashtuns pushed them aside as some regions were melting pots like from peshawer to multan.In afg the graves show they ve israelite past.Same for hindukush.Qais baba is considered a malik of our people.After came turks.
                Though mohammad bin qasim came through sea ports before already in deebal (sindh).So many hindys were already converted to islam.
                sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

                And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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                • Originally posted by ghumbasa View Post
                  So where did i say that they were not arabs who brought islam ? I ve described khalid bin walid ra story.
                  Many tribes were not Buddhists as you claim.Natives of Peshawar were Buddhists ...but Pashtuns pushed them aside as some regions were melting pots like from Peshawar to multan.In afg the graves show they ve israelite past.Same for hindukush.Qais baba is considered a malik of our people.After came turks.
                  Though mohammad bin qasim came through sea ports before already in deebal (sindh).So many hindys were already converted to islam.
                  Most inhabbatins of Afghanistan were buddhists before islam, which explains the big buddha tower in bamyian. Just for the record, qais abdur rashid did not exist and there is no evidence that pashtuns have an israelite past.

                  I suggest you stop clinging to this theory.
                  "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

                  -Old Pashtun proverb




                  "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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                  • Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
                    Most inhabbatins of Afghanistan were buddhists before islam, which explains the big buddha tower in bamyian. Just for the record, qais abdur rashid did not exist and there is no evidence that pashtuns have an israelite past.

                    I suggest you stop clinging to this theory.


                    Grave of qais baba...

                    His accounts are given in maghzan e afghani...the first written book about afghans history in detail.So i consider those accounts more than yours mere posts.Most inhabitants were monothiests too...but since monothiesm can never be reflected in images or idols..it does appear most...while most werent.
                    sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

                    And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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                    • Originally posted by ghumbasa View Post
                      http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IiNqyMRtlSk

                      Grave of qais baba...

                      His accounts are given in maghzan e afghani...the first written book about afghans history in detail.So i consider those accounts more than yours mere posts.Most inhabitants were monothiests too...but since monothiesm can never be reflected in images or idols..it does appear most...while most werent.
                      A mere amateur video isn't exactly proof. That can be anyone's grave for all we know and visiting graves for different intentions is haram in Islam. Qais wasn't real hun, sorry to break it to you. He was a mere legend probably created by some bored Pashtuns around a campfire, besides the genetics of Pashtuns is entirely iranic, not one hint of jewish blood has been found.

                      Most inhabitants were monothiests too...but since monothiesm can never be reflected in images or idols..it does appear most...while most werent
                      Yes nobody denied that, but due to the historical artifacts uncovered and the temples found around the country proves that the majority religion in Afghanistan before Islam was Buddhism.
                      Last edited by Kushan Prince; 12-18-2014, 10:42 PM.
                      "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

                      -Old Pashtun proverb




                      "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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                      • Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
                        A mere amateur video isn't exactly proof. That can be anyone's grave for all we know and visiting graves for different intentions is haram in Islam. Qais wasn't real hun, sorry to break it to you. He was a mere legend probably created by some bored Pashtuns around a campfire, besides the genetics of Pashtuns is entirely iranic, not one hint of jewish blood has been found.



                        Yes nobody denied that, but due to the historical artifacts uncovered and the temples found around the country proves that the majority religion in Afghanistan before Islam was Buddhism.
                        These guys are not visiting graves for grave worshipping...stop playing smart.You havnt provided so far any proof that majority were budhists? Hazara uzbek were pagans not pashtuns in majority.Ever wondered why there are idols only at the peripheries of pashtuns regions?? Like in afg ...bamyan and peshawer...but in between your classic history fails to produce statues..or idol worshipping in pashtuns.

                        Besides quran and hadeeths is best static source.There are books written by muslim and non juslim scholars alike showing the origin or pashtuns as being israelite...like Sadia Gaon.
                        Genetically we all are related..but more so iranians because of proximity to them more..with going towards indus side...gene pool resemble theirs...


                        You ignore whole lot old sources and beat about the same bush again and again.
                        sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

                        And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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                        • Originally posted by ghumbasa View Post
                          These guys are not visiting graves for grave worshipping...stop playing smart.You havnt provided so far any proof that majority were budhists? Hazara uzbek were pagans not pashtuns in majority.Ever wondered why there are idols only at the peripheries of pashtuns regions?? Like in afg ...bamyan and peshawer...but in between your classic history fails to produce statues..or idol worshipping in pashtuns.

                          Besides quran and hadeeths is best static source.There are books written by muslim and non juslim scholars alike showing the origin or pashtuns as being israelite...like Sadia Gaon.
                          Genetically we all are related..but more so iranians because of proximity to them more..with going towards indus side...gene pool resemble theirs...


                          You ignore whole lot old sources and beat about the same bush again and again.
                          Jeez for a new member your a dolt.

                          You exactly haven't given proof for your assertions either so why should I? 42 buddhist relics have been found in Logar, a Pashtun province and 10 in Nangarhar. Are you going to deny this as well? And there were no hazaras in Bamiyan in Pre-Islamic times or in Afghanistan, this area was inhabited by Pashtun tribes. Besides does it really matter what Pashtuns were prior to Islam? What matters is that we are muslims now.

                          Besides quran and hadeeths is best static source.There are books written by muslim and non juslim scholars alike showing the origin or pashtuns as being israelite...like Sadia Gaon.
                          Genetically we all are related..but more so iranians because of proximity to them more..with going towards indus side...gene pool resemble theirs..
                          The Quran does not mention Pashtuns as being Israelite or any of that nonsense. Please provide a source for your claims or you will be ignored for repeating the same mantra over and over again. Also i'm aware of the book "Maghzan-e-Afghani" as it has been disscused on this forum in the past and is not seen as credible or accurate by any of the members here. See here: http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=15995

                          That book was written by the Mughals who had a strong rivalry with Pashtuns to seize power in India so they would divert attention by steaming propaganda to fluctuate Pashtuns from holding any power in India therefore, it is not credible. This is my last comment to you and hopefully you get the hint and not use this forum to spread your own deluded opinions.

                          Khway Paman,
                          Last edited by Kushan Prince; 12-19-2014, 02:14 AM.
                          "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

                          -Old Pashtun proverb




                          "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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                          • Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
                            Jeez for a new member your a dolt.

                            You exactly haven't given proof for your assertions either so why should I? 42 buddhist relics have been found in Logar, a Pashtun province and 10 in Nangarhar. Are you going to deny this as well? And there were no hazaras in Bamiyan in Pre-Islamic times or in Afghanistan, this area was inhabited by Pashtun tribes. Besides does it really matter what Pashtuns were prior to Islam? What matters is that we are muslims now.



                            The Quran does not mention Pashtuns as being Israelite or any of that nonsense. Please provide a source for your claims or you will be ignored for repeating the same mantra over and over again. Also i'm aware of the book "Maghzan-e-Afghani" as it has been disscused on this forum in the past and is not seen as credible or accurate by any of the members here. See here: http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=15995

                            That book was written by the Mughals who had a strong rivalry with Pashtuns to seize power in India so they would divert attention by steaming propaganda to fluctuate Pashtuns from holding any power in India therefore, it is not credible. This is my last comment to you and hopefully you get the hint and not use this forum to spread your own deluded opinions.

                            Khway Paman,
                            Idols found at bamyan logar etc still at peripheries not central regions of pashtuns.The idols itself present non pashtun features and resemble hazara more.Chinese mongols and turks were around afg and pak for long time than pashtuns.

                            Book maghzan r afghani is compiled by pashtuns ,mughals just promoted history nothing else...a pashtun cannot distort history of its fellow men...and there were more searchers included...not just writer.

                            Islamic texts i ve provided...i ll provide more with time inshAllah.
                            Prophet s saww prophecies cant be deluded if you dont believe non muslim or muslim sources...hadeeths and quran cant be wrong.

                            As far as mughal rivalry is included...none could stop pashtun from ruling india..there s whole lot history.Infact when mughals were in problem...they used islam card for pashtuns and called flr help time to time...

                            Dont worry i ll provide non muslim sources too...in another thread.
                            sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

                            And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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