What do you think about maharaja Ranjit Singh ji ?

[graveyardofempires]

Lol. Yes, he was. It was the pain of fellow Muslims of the Punjab subjugated by centuries of Hindu rule that brought him there. So what if he gained vast amount of territory in his 16 invasions? Dont be so naive.

Not according to Muslims of hindustan or the sikh.
actually you sikhs own it all to Afghans otherwise hindus would have anihilated you long ago.

it were pashtuns who have civilised the hindustanis much earlier than Ahmad Shah Baba.
do you remember Sher shah Suri?
you should be thankful to him cuz he gave you guys the rupee ,education system,banking,military system,and built the first highway connecting his empire.Most of his subjects and army were hindus.


That was conquering, of course. No two ways about that.
Not conquering but trying,but than again he had no business being there so it is normal to say he was an invader and a criminal.

Yes, indeed. He did liberate us Sikhs. Just that in the process he killed a lot many of us and desecrated our Mecca, the Harmandir Sahib twice, to lower morale and teach the Sikhs a lesson. But in the end, Sikhs were happy that he came to rescue us.
dont compare you Amritsar with Mecaa,you must be out of your mind.

I will tell you what your problem is. You don't like history that seems negative about you or your people. You are still thinking of history as "us vs them" and getting worked up over it. That is where you falter.

I love history just dont accept BS exagerated versions coming from a people who are desperate.

[Insaaf_انصاف]

@ graveyard

What do you mean by :

" dont compare you Amritsar with Mecaa,you must be out of your mind. "

????

Respect the other religions please,
You are offending sikhism, this is inappropriate in this forum i think.
You dont have respect dude, what a shame

[graveyardofempires]

@ graveyard

What do you mean by :

" dont compare you Amritsar with Mecaa,you must be out of your mind. "

????

Respect the other religions please,
You are offending sikhism, this is inappropriate in this forum i think.
You dont have respect dude, what a shame

i respect others religion matter of fact we have many punjabi sikhs in Afghanistan and i fidn them to be awsome.
how is disrespectful when i say " comparing amritsar with Mecca is just plain stupid.

you sound like a little child who thanks people for wrong information.

[Insaaf_انصاف]

i respect others religion matter of fact we have many punjabi sikhs in Afghanistan and i fidn them to be awsome.
how is disrespectful when i say " comparing amritsar with Mecca is just plain stupid.

you sound like a little child who thanks people for wrong information.

I'm agree with Luffy for example ( he is full pashtun )

It's my opinion and i respect your opinions and you are free, but dont say such things bro...

[graveyardofempires]

I'm agree with Luffy for example ( he is full pashtun )

It's my opinion and i respect your opinions and you are free, but dont say such things bro...

i will always say such things,get used to it.
and no that doesnt mean i dont respect one's religion,it is just that i dont find their religion to be mine.

[Wahe Guru]

Ahmad Shah Baba into punjab was saving muslims and their rule,why shoudl eh be invader since the indigenous peopel were muslims.
Ranjeeth singh into peshawer was for what?

Actually it were Afghans who liberated you sikhs from hindus and it were Afghans who for the first time in history made a sikh governer.

i have no problem with history just dont need to accept a bias version extremely exagerated.

"Ahmad Shah Baba into punjab was saving muslims and their rule,why shoudl eh be invader since the indigenous peopel were muslims." - this is totally INCORRECT. He was not saving any Muslims in Punjab or elsewhere in India. He did nothing for the ordinary people in Punjab. He might have been invited to invade by some Muslims of the ruling classes (none were Punjabi) whose rule was threatened by the Marathas advancing from the South northwards.
Secondly I would make a guess that no more than about 40% to 45% of Punjabis at that time were Muslims. Muslim civilians suffered also during his invasions of India.
If I have time - I will try to copy an article which details how Ahmad Shah Abdali allowed his troops to carry out a great massacre in Delhi which resulted in many of the Muslim inhabitants of Delhi being killed or fleeing destitute and dying in the countryside around Delhi. At that time Hindus were not allowed to live in Delhi and it was the Muslims civilians who got massacred.

The moral is that invaders will always try to justify their reasons (often by lying)...his (Ahmad Shah Abdali).reasons for invading were to accumulate and gather wealth and power...it happened often in history..he was not alone.

MRS on the other hand could claim better reasons for his conquests.

Nobody is saying that Abdali was wrong to free Afghanistan from foreign rule. Remember he was earlier employed by Nadir Shah - a foreigner ruling Afghanistan. Does that make Abdali a boot licker of foreign rulers? I dont think so. He did what he had to do according to the situation.

[Wahe Guru]

i will always say such things,get used to it.
and no that doesnt mean i dont respect one's religion,it is just that i dont find their religion to be mine.

Mr Graveyardofempires - when the Arabs invaded Pashtun lands way back - what were their reasons given by them for doing that? I wonder if "Pashtuns" ancestors at the time all laid down on the ground and welcomed the invaders with roses because the Arabs were bringing along the religion of Islam? No. They would have fought the invaders as best as they could. Perhaps today Pashtuns say it was fantastic the Arabs invaded?

[graveyardofempires]

Mr Graveyardofempires - when the Arabs invaded Pashtun lands way back - what were their reasons given by them for doing that? I wonder if "Pashtuns" ancestors at the time all laid down on the ground and welcomed the invaders with roses because the Arabs were bringing along the religion of Islam? No. They would have fought the invaders as best as they could. Perhaps today Pashtuns say it was fantastic the Arabs invaded?

thats non of your business.

you have surpassed the limits of hospitality ,if i were the admin here i would have banned you for talking utter non sense.

maybe someone shoudl do a check on you,maybe you are soldat amir and wazirwarrior.

[Soldat_Amir]

"Ahmad Shah Baba into punjab was saving muslims and their rule,why shoudl eh be invader since the indigenous peopel were muslims." - this is totally INCORRECT. He was not saving any Muslims in Punjab or elsewhere in India. He did nothing for the ordinary people in Punjab. He might have been invited to invade by some Muslims of the ruling classes (none were Punjabi) whose rule was threatened by the Marathas advancing from the South northwards.
Secondly I would make a guess that no more than about 40% to 45% of Punjabis at that time were Muslims. Muslim civilians suffered also during his invasions of India.
If I have time - I will try to copy an article which details how Ahmad Shah Abdali allowed his troops to carry out a great massacre in Delhi which resulted in many of the Muslim inhabitants of Delhi being killed or fleeing destitute and dying in the countryside around Delhi. At that time Hindus were not allowed to live in Delhi and it was the Muslims civilians who got massacred.

The moral is that invaders will always try to justify their reasons (often by lying)...his (Ahmad Shah Abdali).reasons for invading were to accumulate and gather wealth and power...it happened often in history..he was not alone.

MRS on the other hand could claim better reasons for his conquests.

Nobody is saying that Abdali was wrong to free Afghanistan from foreign rule. Remember he was earlier employed by Nadir Shah - a foreigner ruling Afghanistan. Does that make Abdali a boot licker of foreign rulers? I dont think so. He did what he had to do according to the situation.

Abdali also faced rebellions by the Muslim Uzbek leaders too. There is no record of him saving Muslims in Punjab. Abdali like many other Muslim leaders, intended to invade India for its vast riches and loot. That's why he, Ghaznavi and co were all alike in this sense.

It maybe hard for some to accept this

[graveyardofempires]

"Ahmad Shah Baba into punjab was saving muslims and their rule,why shoudl eh be invader since the indigenous peopel were muslims." - this is totally INCORRECT. He was not saving any Muslims in Punjab or elsewhere in India. He did nothing for the ordinary people in Punjab. He might have been invited to invade by some Muslims of the ruling classes (none were Punjabi) whose rule was threatened by the Marathas advancing from the South northwards.
Secondly I would make a guess that no more than about 40% to 45% of Punjabis at that time were Muslims. Muslim civilians suffered also during his invasions of India.
If I have time - I will try to copy an article which details how Ahmad Shah Abdali allowed his troops to carry out a great massacre in Delhi which resulted in many of the Muslim inhabitants of Delhi being killed or fleeing destitute and dying in the countryside around Delhi. At that time Hindus were not allowed to live in Delhi and it was the Muslims civilians who got massacred.

The moral is that invaders will always try to justify their reasons (often by lying)...his (Ahmad Shah Abdali).reasons for invading were to accumulate and gather wealth and power...it happened often in history..he was not alone.

MRS on the other hand could claim better reasons for his conquests.

Nobody is saying that Abdali was wrong to free Afghanistan from foreign rule. Remember he was earlier employed by Nadir Shah - a foreigner ruling Afghanistan. Does that make Abdali a boot licker of foreign rulers? I dont think so. He did what he had to do according to the situation.

watch your mouth abotu Ahmad Shah Baba!!!
even though i have respect to sikhs(especially the Afghan ones) i would not hasitate to expose your falls bias version of history.

anyway Ahmad Shah Baba shoudl have never let you guys be in position of government in your whole damn history and he shoudl have let the hindus beat your asses.

[LyariTown]

look at this fake pashtun soldat amir talking about ahmad shah baba and mahmud ghaznavi. today he has proved hes not pashtun.

[graveyardofempires]

Abdali also faced rebellions by the Muslim Uzbek leaders too. There is no record of him saving Muslims in Punjab. Abdali like many other Muslim leaders, intended to invade India for its vast riches and loot. That's why he, Ghaznavi and co were all alike in this sense.

It maybe hard for some to accept this

since you spew all types of anti pashtun/muslim non sense why shoudl one take anything you say as truth.

your problem is since all these Heros/emperors were Muslims,you talk ****.
Ahmad shah abdali also fought against china for the uyghars.

the problem with your types is you think you can change the history but you cant.
history cant be changed future can be ,but in your case future cant be either.

[Insaaf_انصاف]

Graveyard, Everybody here are against your opinion and point of view of the history....

[LyariTown]

wazir_warrior is just a troll. he cant even speak pashto like the other fake maseed.

i wonder why these idiots picked MY WAZIRISTAN as their fake identities.

[Wahe Guru]

thats non of your business.

you have surpassed the limits of hospitality ,if i were the admin here i would have banned you for talking utter non sense.

maybe someone shoudl do a check on you,maybe you are soldat amir and wazirwarrior.

It is easy to write that if you cannot face honest facts and not able to think and make a reply.

I have no idea who the other two people are. I am sure they are not related to each other.

The question I asked you - I once also asked an Arab a similar question about their invasions of foreign lands in the past. Of course he had lots of answers and justifications...like in Iran the Iranian ruler was to blame completely (lol) and the Arabs begged Iranian ruler not to do this and that (mischiefs according to the Arab writer) and finally the Arabs had "no choice and were forced to invade"....invaders always say something like that...