afghan pashtun dna to be posted soon

[Karachi]

^ god had been sending prophets from the beginning of time, 124,000 to be exact

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Then why is it that by 700AD, 99.9% of the world was polytheist, pagan and pantheist? Humans have been around for 200,000 years and given how every prophet would have lived for at least 50 years (some lived for much, much longer), there must have been many prophets operating in different parts of the world at the same time.

(Christians = polytheist, Zoroastrians = sun worshipers = heathen).

[Karachi]

Then why is it that by 700AD, 99.9% of the world was polytheist, pagan and pantheist? Humans have been around for 200,000 years and given how every prophet would have lived for at least 50 years (some lived for much, much longer), there must have been many prophets operating in different parts of the world at the same time.

(Christians = polytheist, Zoroastrians = sun worshipers = heathen).

^ because people never listened and even if they did, after a while they always went back to their pagan ways, they always started hating God and start doing things against the teaching of the prophets. Infact in my opinion it is happening again, People have again gone back to non belief ways and the whole western system is designed against God, But Islam will survive no matter what, till the end, it is the last of the message of Allah, but it is the same message from the beginning of human kind, Islam is nothing different from what all the 124,000 prophets brought

Islam can not be killed, look how desperately the west is trying to erase islam, yet it fails on every occasion. Islam is not weak like other belief systems. Islam is the way of life, it is embedded in the brains of believers and forever will be

[Soldat_Amir]

Then why is it that by 700AD, 99.9% of the world was polytheist, pagan and pantheist? Humans have been around for 200,000 years and given how every prophet would have lived for at least 50 years (some lived for much, much longer), there must have been many prophets operating in different parts of the world at the same time.

(Christians = polytheist, Zoroastrians = sun worshipers = heathen).

In the Muslim world, there is nothing called "Pre-Islamic" thats why people dont have a sense of identity hence the current conflict between sects.

If you compare Muslims in Russia with the South Asia, you will see the difference, A muslim in Ossetia, has an identity, a culture for which they are proud of, they know their roots well, and compare it with a Muslim from South Asia who has been brainwashed with Pak studies, you can see Muslims in South Asia are trying so hard to be accepted as Arabs or close/similar to Arabs, it makes them feel holy, hence they title themselves as Syed and react violently when their roots are discussed.

To be Honest, if my ancestors were Zostraians, or Pagan or even Jews which I doubt, I would be proud, and base my identity with that than anything recent.

I guess the decades of conquests by Arab/Turkic powers, we have lost our true identity thats why there is tribalism and hatred amongst our own people.

[Karachi]

^ the syed claim among south asians is totally nonsense, 99% are not syed.

[Tjanaparh]

Dear friiends I am finally bach. Best greetings to everybody!
To risolve some confusion The Lipetsk and Penza regions are in the West of Russia, those places are Russian or Belorussian as they are on the border. They are mostly purely slavic as not many other nations of RUssia went there, because they are not so nice places. Some Jews only were there once as a minority.
However the Russians and Slavs have a genetical contact to Scythians and liguistically the slavic languages are also very related to Indic and Iranic languages.
So that is why there are some possibilities of connections it is also logical and I can explain why.
The very clear Russians come from an intermix with Uralic nations(Finns and so on) but simple Russians are not so "pig-nosed" may my russian friends forgive me , but I cannot find a better word in English, it is not meant in an offensive way.
They are darker blond and with more simple nose forms, for example some Pashtuns and some Nuristani from fotos I have seen really look quiet similar. The regions of Lipeck and Penza are surely not so tuched by Uralic nations, that is why they could have more Scythian genotype and perhaps even Phenotype. That could be a possible relation, who knows. Its only my thinking, it is nor a fact nor nothing, but it is the first thing that came in my head.
So best greetings to my Pashtun friends and waiting for your opinion.

[Soldat_Amir]

Dear friiends I am finally bach. Best greetings to everybody!
To risolve some confusion The Lipetsk and Penza regions are in the West of Russia, those places are Russian or Belorussian as they are on the border. They are mostly purely slavic as not many other nations of RUssia went there, because they are not so nice places. Some Jews only were there once as a minority.
However the Russians and Slavs have a genetical contact to Scythians and liguistically the slavic languages are also very related to Indic and Iranic languages.
So that is why there are some possibilities of connections it is also logical and I can explain why.
The very clear Russians come from an intermix with Uralic nations(Finns and so on) but simple Russians are not so "pig-nosed" may my russian friends forgive me , but I cannot find a better word in English, it is not meant in an offensive way.
They are darker blond and with more simple nose forms, for example some Pashtuns and some Nuristani from fotos I have seen really look quiet similar. The regions of Lipeck and Penza are surely not so tuched by Uralic nations, that is why they could have more Scythian genotype and perhaps even Phenotype. That could be a possible relation, who knows. Its only my thinking, it is nor a fact nor nothing, but it is the first thing that came in my head.
So best greetings to my Pashtun friends and waiting for your opinion.

Well that can be why alot of the Slavianic languages use the exact same word for "Nothing" which is Nishta/Nashta.

I believe so too, maybe due to the presence of Sakas/Scychtians in the region.

By the way...why is my name used as a tag?

[Tjanaparh]

Dear Amir, linguistically there are many paralells - I actually do not know Pashto, but I have seen many paralels even with western Iranic languages.
In Pashto i know the word Sheen(green if i am right) sounding similar to the slavic "siniy"- blue(at least the colors are both a bit related) ande thhe if i rimember well Ghar is mountain(?) in slavic it is gora(pronounced in russian as gara and in ukranian as ghara - actually our armenian Sar(mountain) is also a bit similar perhaps).The ending stan exists also in slavic as place. Stakan in russian is estakn in Farsi. The numbers are not same but some(2,4,5,6) are similar, the ancient word for I - Az, was the same, zima(winter) and zemestan, so I could continue, some researchers who know Ossetian(eastern Iranic and related to some Pamir languages and specially to Yaghnabi) has even more paralells.nowadays surely nowbody thinks about such paralells , but in some reagions where Saka geens could be maintaind far of mixing it is not surprising that they can be same.

[AFG21]

I don't really see any resemblance between thos peopel and pashtun, I am talking about the majority not some random picture of peopel who wouldn't make not even 5 procent of the population.

[retro]

Dear friiends I am finally bach. Best greetings to everybody!
To risolve some confusion The Lipetsk and Penza regions are in the West of Russia, those places are Russian or Belorussian as they are on the border. They are mostly purely slavic as not many other nations of RUssia went there, because they are not so nice places. Some Jews only were there once as a minority.
However the Russians and Slavs have a genetical contact to Scythians and liguistically the slavic languages are also very related to Indic and Iranic languages.
So that is why there are some possibilities of connections it is also logical and I can explain why.
The very clear Russians come from an intermix with Uralic nations(Finns and so on) but simple Russians are not so "pig-nosed" may my russian friends forgive me , but I cannot find a better word in English, it is not meant in an offensive way.
They are darker blond and with more simple nose forms, for example some Pashtuns and some Nuristani from fotos I have seen really look quiet similar. The regions of Lipeck and Penza are surely not so tuched by Uralic nations, that is why they could have more Scythian genotype and perhaps even Phenotype. That could be a possible relation, who knows. Its only my thinking, it is nor a fact nor nothing, but it is the first thing that came in my head.
So best greetings to my Pashtun friends and waiting for your opinion.

Hello Arevapasht

Whilst the Scythians and Sarmatians (Alans) where Indo-Iranic tribal confederacies. The Slavic tribes origins are far less clear and they emerged much later. However the South Asians haplogroup R1a1 is seemingly fairly closerly related to the Slavs.

Indo-Iranic, Uralic, Hunnic and Turkic people go back a very long way in Northern Eurasian. Cyrillic script is Hunnic and Turkic Russians like the Chuvash have closer ties to the Bulgars. Indeed, horses were first domesticated in the Eurasian Steppes and chariots first emerged in the Urals.

Only Finnic, Northern Russians and Baltic peoples like the Estonians, have Uralic admixture in Europe. Uralic has Indo-Iranic/Indo-Aryan borrowings and the Balts are quite a strange crowd.

Finnic people are an admixture of indigenous Northern European (Western Asian) and Uralic (North East Asian). Uralic peoples are much like Altaic Turkic and Mongols. However they are not the same group and are ethnically and culturally very different.

The Cossacks are East Slavic people from the Western Stepps and they clearly have Caucasian cultural influences don't you think?

Kazaki - The Cossacks of Russia - YouTube

[Toramana]

Interesting DNA studies...

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origin...s_europe.shtml

[Tjanaparh]

Hello Arevapasht

Whilst the Scythians and Sarmatians (Alans) where Indo-Iranic tribal confederacies. The Slavic tribes origins are far less clear and they emerged much later. However the South Asians haplogroup R1a1 is seemingly fairly closerly related to the Slavs.

Indo-Iranic, Uralic, Hunnic and Turkic people go back a very long way in Northern Eurasian. Cyrillic script is Hunnic and Turkic Russians like the Chuvash have closer ties to the Bulgars. Indeed, horses were first domesticated in the Eurasian Steppes and chariots first emerged in the Urals.

Only Finnic, Northern Russians and Baltic peoples like the Estonians, have Uralic admixture in Europe. Uralic has Indo-Iranic/Indo-Aryan borrowings and the Balts are quite a strange crowd.

Finnic people are an admixture of indigenous Northern European (Western Asian) and Uralic (North East Asian). Uralic peoples are much like Altaic Turkic and Mongols. However they are not the same group and are ethnically and culturally very different.

The Cossacks are East Slavic people from the Western Stepps and they clearly have Caucasian cultural influences don't you think?

Best greetings dear RETRO!
You are absolutely right!
But part of slavic DNA origins from Scythians, and it is not as mall part. Today the majority of Russians doesn't correspond this type, bacause not everybody has slavic origin. Chuvash for example are not Russians but Chuvash, they have even their own republic, Chuvashia.
Russians are considered generally slavs talking russian, but due to imperialistic reign many other people prefered learning russian and nowadays call themselves russian.
Also in Mongol times Russians had intermixtures with Tatars and also they have with many Uralic tribes.
Cozaks are a political group, only the Terek cozaks are similar to Caucasians, as they live near, there are even Amur(close to China) cozaks, they are quiet different.
Even the Khalmg(Mongolian tribe of Russia) peoples had a cozak guard in the caucasus.
Russia is quiet different from region to region as it is a kind of soviet union with many republics inside, but the DNA they got as written from Penza and Lipeck, those are traditionally slavic places , so you could suppose to find in their DNA or similarities to the Alans, as they are seen as one of the major nations who formed the russian slavs.

[Karachi]

Interesting DNA studies...

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origin...s_europe.shtml

Interesting find

[retro]

Best greetings dear RETRO!
You are absolutely right!
But part of slavic DNA origins from Scythians, and it is not as mall part. Today the majority of Russians doesn't correspond this type, bacause not everybody has slavic origin. Chuvash for example are not Russians but Chuvash, they have even their own republic, Chuvashia.
Russians are considered generally slavs talking russian, but due to imperialistic reign many other people prefered learning russian and nowadays call themselves russian.
Also in Mongol times Russians had intermixtures with Tatars and also they have with many Uralic tribes.
Cozaks are a political group, only the Terek cozaks are similar to Caucasians, as they live near, there are even Amur(close to China) cozaks, they are quiet different.
Even the Khalmg(Mongolian tribe of Russia) peoples had a cozak guard in the caucasus.

Hello Arevapasht

Turkic Asians aren't originally from Kazakhstan and Western Central Asia like Anatolia is an ancient Indo-European region. The Chuvash and Tatars are Bulgars and not a Uralic peoples. Whilst the Chuvash's Mongoloid admixture is around 10%-20%. Which is far more than the Anatolian Turks. The Chuvash maternal ancestry is indigenous Northern European.


CHUVASH: Căvaš Tumĕ - Authentic Chuvash Clothes - XVIII-XX - YouTube


The Chuvash language is from Southern Russia/Caucasia. See Utigurs (Bulgar) on the map below also note the presence of the Huns and Alans in the region.



Onogurs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Russia is quiet different from region to region as it is a kind of soviet union with many republics inside, but the DNA they got as written from Penza and Lipeck, those are traditionally slavic places , so you could suppose to find in their DNA or similarities to the Alans, as they are seen as one of the major nations who formed the russian slavs.

The Eastern Germanics Vandals and Alans were displaced Westward by the Huns and I know that the Alans (Sarmatians) where related to the Scythians.

The Slavs origins aren't very clear and it's hard to know what kind of confederation they formerly belonged to. As the Western Slavics i.e. Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Sorbs where somewhat Germanized. The kingdom of Rus was founded by the Vikings and right up until the Tsar family was mudered, Russia's noblity was Germanic and not Slavic. Russia is a European cultural political entity and the break up of the Soviet Union, caused it to lose much of it's Historical territory in Central Asia.

[Tjanaparh]

Dear Retro , but where did I tell that turkic tribes are from kazakhstan or Anatolia? About those You have written.
But why did we bring the Chuvash people in here?
The political facts You are telling are right without doubt, I am aware about that. What I was telling only that the Slavs have partly scythian origins, I didn't tell that they derive from them completely. All the later intemixtures happened, but happened not everywhere.
Dear friend, can it be that we didn't understand eachother - as it seems to me that You want to indicate me somethink I didn't pay attention at, but Ididn't understand exactly what.