Amir Dost Muhammad ( the relevance of the past with today)

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

The family members of Amir Dost Muhammad are on this forum, I think they know their own family tree. He knew many languages. lol, how do you suppose he spoke/coordinated with the Ghiljay pashtuns to rise up against the ferangi, in pashto or farsi?

His family were strictly drana pashtuns, according to their own family trees.

He did not speak Pashtu or Arabic. He was even a Shia with tendencies to Sufism due his mother´s teaching. Everyone who claims he is a decandant or related with him he/she bluffs. He is the reason why at least 30% of Barakzai Pashtuns are Shia and use Taqqia. Ask those of the forum who have really knowledge about the history of Afghanistan. Ironically, you may call him a hero but he was also an agent of the British and Russians at the same time. He wanted to ally himself with Iran and fight their claims on Herat and play with the interests of British and Russia against eachother. He also became later power-thirsty and used Islam and his allies against Hazaras and their land Hazarajat. His nephew Mohammad Yaqub Khan hadn´t any children so how could he have descandants? 80% of all of his descandants had after marrying any noble families dominantly daughters who were mostly given to Diqans, land-owners and Khans of the Qazalbash people, their cousins in Kandahar or to Uzbek Khan´s in the north to bring peace among Pashtuns and Uzbeks.

He, like many others of the royal family and their Persian, Kurdish, Turkmen administrators had translators. Many of the Qazalbash spoke self Pashtu. The former Ambassador of America Sayd Javad Tayeb is a Qazalbash from Kandahar and fuent in Pashtu and Dari.

[ghundal]

lol, take that propoganda elsewhere, he was not a Shiite. He was Amir Al-Mumineen.

Give it up.

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

lol, take that propoganda elsewhere, he was not a Shiite. He was Amir Al-Mumineen.

Give it up.

If that´s your personal belief, it´s ok. I respect that. But books on him and his role in Afghanistan tell us another story.



Encyclopaedic ethnography of Middle-East and Central Asia: A-I, Band 1 p. 679-680; by R. Khanam

[ghundal]

sure, and Mirwais neeka was a Persian too right? LOL

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

sure, and Mirwais neeka was a Persian too right? LOL

Do anyone claim such a stupid thing? Of course not. Hotaki was from both sides a Pashtun.

[ghundal]

as was Amir Dost Muhammad Khan, you know they were a pretty exclusive family. They married their cousins usually, and like I said their family members know their own history more than you.

Dost Muhammad Khan did speak pashto, he was in regular contact with Ghiljay pashtuns.

[kakargirl]

sure, and Mirwais neeka was a Persian too right? LOL

wror forget him, hes another wannabe let him talk rubbish it dosnt change nothing at all it dosnt change any facts or history, hes not dost mohammads family his opinian means 000000000000000000000000000 that to us.

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

as was Amir Dost Muhammad Khan, you know they were a pretty exclusive family. They married their cousins usually, and like I said their family members know their own history more than you.

Dost Muhammad Khan did speak pashto, he was in regular contact with Ghiljay pashtuns.

Zahir Shah and Daud Khan also talked permanently with Ghilzai Pashtuns ... The entire ruling class was a mix of mainly Pashtun nationality but mixed with Iranians, Tajiks and other groups. That´s why they became so fast, even under Ahmad Khan Abdali, ''tajikified''.

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

I haven't done the research but it wouldn't surprise me if dost mohameds family tree was mixed

After Ahmad shah all the descendants were mixed with qizilbashi

I doubt he couldn't speak Pashto because his son Akbar khan could

[randolph85]

Zahir Shah and Daud Khan also talked permanently with Ghilzai Pashtuns ... The entire ruling class was a mix of mainly Pashtun nationality but mixed with Iranians, Tajiks and other groups. That´s why they became so fast, even under Ahmad Khan Abdali, ''tajikified''.

u mistake "tajikified" with giving due rights to citizens of a multi ethnic state, minus hazaras in high positions. what is it with u people? if a government is solely pashtun its a fascist entity according to u, but when there is ethnic balance u want to think that this is some ethnic minority dominance.

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

u mistake "tajikified" with giving due rights to citizens of a multi ethnic state, minus hazaras in high positions. what is it with u people? if a government is solely pashtun its a fascist entity according to u, but when there is ethnic balance u want to think that this is some ethnic minority dominance.

No. All leaders, started with Abdurrahman Khan to the days of Daud Khan were ethno-centric people. Always pushing the Pashtun cause, trying to establish Pashtu and Pashtun identity on the nation. Irnocially, they self could not speak Pashtu and were Tajikified. That was fascism (the same goes for Taliban rule) and ethnocide. To the time of Abdurrahman Khan, their house was Tajikified. All the princes and princess teachers were Darizuban and Qazalbash people, the governeurs of the regions were Darizubans, the court´s doctors were Qazalbashs and the most educated people, the top of the educated elite, were Qazalbash people. Pashtuns were not educated then and hated the city life. That changed when Abdurrahman Khan used the islamic card against Nuristanis, some Khostwals and Hazaras. He was threathend by his own Pashtun people in eastern Afghanistan to fight him if he further support the Shias. The Qazalbash f.ex were the elites of the army, the personal body-guards and so on. Alone Dost Muhammad had more than 12000 Qazalbashs who secured him and his family and his power, mostly from Pashtun tribes (irony). Pashtun fanatics and nationalists called for a war against all Shias. Many Qazalbashs left the country and moved to Pakistan, India, Kashmir or back to Iran. With the absence of them the Darizuabns became also weak and were soon replaced by not really educated Pashtun men, mostly religious teachers. They damaged the family´s interests and thus send their sons to foreign countries for studies because there was no trust on those old men. So after Dost Muhammad there was done ethnocide to non-Pashtuns. These are all recorded in books. We can´t fool ourself. All these facts amassed with the time to a mountain that resulted in modern Afghanistan and it´s current situation. If everyone had been threated well from beginning, we all would today live in our native country. However, people thought Afghanistan should be a Pashtun state while it wasn´t. The culture and language of Darizuabans dominated the country, many Darizubans came to the court under a fake identity while the representants tried hard to erase all other identities. They hadn´t any succes in that case because non-Pashtuns were culturally and ethnically more advaned then Pashtuns. Even after creating Pashtu Tolana and the various tries to diminish Dari in the country. The state was established on a centric philosophy. That was the mistake. With the time some people came up with wrong claims such that Pashtuns are the majority while they till to day aren´t. There is no majority in Afghanistan. There was never made a census. All the current figures differ from 30% to 42% for all ethnicities. The last census that was made and it was not much reliable was under the soviets. Pashtuns made 40%, Tajiks 37%, Hazaras 10%, Uzbeks 5% ... 2006 or 2007 there was a debate in the parliament about majorities and minorities in the state. Many non-Pashtuns called for a census but our Pashtun brothers in the parliament even cried that such a project would devide the country and they would not allow it (Karim Khoram was one of them, the man who is known for his statements and actions against the journalist who used a Dari word for university instead a Pashtu). Even my mother´s family accept these facts and hex the past events that made against Afghans, non-Pashtuns and Pashtuns. If we want an ethnic balance than we need first to talk about the diffences between ourself. Beeing trustworthy to ourself and don´t try to fool any party or the opposition. Leading a debate on the basis of an educated, academic and non-emotion project. Otherwise all the different figures are just claims and non-Pashtuns know that and they use that claims for their own goals. Because those claims are not proved beeing correct. There was a scientific research on the ethnical composition of Afghanistan by Jamil Hanifi, a well respect and high educated Pashtun in entire Afghanistan. His result was that Pashtuns´numbers are not more than 35% despite all claims and all ''official'' figures. However, there are also some other researchs but which are based on nationalistic views and claims. Such a ''research'' was once made by WAK organization, a Pashtun nationalist organization based in Peshawar. Even Pakistani government have forbidde to run the organization for further claims. Such organizations are the real enemies of Psahtuns. They support movements like Taliban who kill everyone that stand in front of them. Just look how many Pashtuns became victims because of Taliban. Very sad. Even the natioanlistic Musahiban family who supported everything Pashtun and Pashtu and even used the entire money they could get through taxes used on the Pashtunistan plan but what did it caused to Pashtuns? Did they really care about Pashtuns and Pashtu? They self were non-Pashtu-speakers and Nader Shah self was a native Urdu-speaker but imposed himself as the guardian of Pashtuns but at the end he and his family only damaged Pashtuns. One generation was followed by another generation. They just used Pashtun nationalism for their own goals.

[gadoonwal]

we all agree up on one thing that dost mamad khan fought for his country and was a hero to all people.
Like all others royals he was of persain-pashtun origin and a suni muslim.
Calling him shai is wrong.He was the bravest man in the royals.may allah bless his soil

[kakargirl]

Thank you gadoonwal wror, what ever was our family broke away and purified the blood to never let a non or mixed pashtun woman in , or ever give a daughter out to any mixed or non pashtun and we are sunni muslims and very strict conservative ones .

[Manzareh]

So he wasnt 100% pashtun but also of persian lineage?

[gadoonwal]

There are many 100% pashtun in our land what they have done for pashtu and pashtuns?
This parsiwanization of pashtun royal starts from the time of ahmad shah baba so great dost mamad khan was in the middle of this.
I read books about this great pashtun hero and i can tell you the man was real hero.
He spend most of his time fighting for the regaining of pashtunkhwa.He shown his bravery against Sikhs but the superpower of the time British was supporting Sikhs against pashtuns.
This pashtun hero and king of the country lived his final days in mountains and with sad memories.The other durani leaders and even his close family members stabed him in the back.
The people of pashtunkhwa and afghanistan should respect this great man.
He is my hero and the hero of millions of patriotic pashtuns.
His pashtun-kazalbash origin is fact but that is,nt making him less pashtun then others.
For his gerat,bravery and courage i respect him more then anyohter royals.