Pashtun with a Israelite past?

[کیش]

^^^^I have a hard time taking the European theory. European are the devil, that's my opinion. If Pashtuns aren't descendants of Hebrew (still belief). I belief our people have been around before any European or Persian. The Indus river civilization is one of the oldest in the world.

If you read the dead sea scrolls, which was written somewhere around the first century BC, but just found in the 20"s by a Palestinian kid in a cave. The people in the community followed strict rules and guidelines that closely resembles Pashtunwali. I don't want to hear coincidence because theirs too many.

[torkham]

many knowledge claims being made regarding jewish ancestry. more rigorous evidence required than resemblances in circumcision, beards, turbans, geometric patterns on doors etc.

what is happening in the evidence provided by PF members is confirmation bias; unfavourable data is being rejected. take example of dna, there are many complicated markers that randomly appear in samples that are ignored for the favourable one's. even if dna evidence alone is to be accepted than all other arguments have little to stand, since the medica/scientific field is probably considered reliable.

theories and ideas need to be testable, falsifiable or refutable inorder to even get close to reliable conclusion.

so my friends, we need much more reliable information, otherwise all we have is misinformation. nothing worse than watching ironman I (which i am watching now!!), there is a shot of Kunar AFG, with landscape resembling the Rockies, the bad guys speak urdu and egyptian arabic, wear palestinian shmag and pakol caps. it's a pathetic.

[graveyardofempires]

many knowledge claims being made regarding jewish ancestry. more rigorous evidence required than resemblances in circumcision, beards, turbans, geometric patterns on doors etc.

what is happening in the evidence provided by PF members is confirmation bias; unfavourable data is being rejected. take example of dna, there are many complicated markers that randomly appear in samples that are ignored for the favourable one's. even if dna evidence alone is to be accepted than all other arguments have little to stand, since the medica/scientific field is probably considered reliable.

theories and ideas need to be testable, falsifiable or refutable inorder to even get close to reliable conclusion.

so my friends, we need much more reliable information, otherwise all we have is misinformation. nothing worse than watching ironman I (which i am watching now!!), there is a shot of Kunar AFG, with landscape resembling the Rockies, the bad guys speak urdu and egyptian arabic, wear palestinian shmag and pakol caps. it's a pathetic.

you are so right about the scene from Iron man
as for the theory it doesnt say we had a jewish past because no such thing existed in those times.

can you explain how dna testing can be 100% accurate?

[Manzareh]

^^^^I have a hard time taking the European theory. European are the devil, that's my opinion. If Pashtuns aren't descendants of Hebrew (still belief). I belief our people have been around before any European or Persian. The Indus river civilization is one of the oldest in the world.

If you read the dead sea scrolls, which was written somewhere around the first century BC, but just found in the 20"s by a Palestinian kid in a cave. The people in the community followed strict rules and guidelines that closely resembles Pashtunwali. I don't want to hear coincidence because theirs too many.

Nobody said that we are europeans, or came from them, but there is a 'relation' either from migrations or intermingling or the movement from the arians from archoesia, bactriana, pactya accross eurasia.

interesting i am defo going to look into the dead sea scrolls but even if there are similarities in pashtunwali it doesnt mean we are semetic. there is incredible similarities within most civilisations but it doesnt conclude that either one is related. the pashtuns being related to Israelites theory has been unanimously dismissed by all historians that have researched into it, i can provide a list if you wish.

[graveyardofempires]

Nobody said that we are europeans, or came from them, but there is a 'relation' either from migrations or intermingling or the movement from the arians from archoesia, bactriana, pactya accross eurasia.

interesting i am defo going to look into the dead sea scrolls but even if there are similarities in pashtunwali it doesnt mean we are semetic. there is incredible similarities within most civilisations but it doesnt conclude that either one is related. the pashtuns being related to Israelites theory has been unanimously dismissed by all historians that have researched into it, i can provide a list if you wish.

there is not harm in investigating this
and what about the muslims sources and the hadith?
i understand that jews have been wicked but this is not about a jewsih ancestery but Israelite.
how can we be european while we existed much before there was a europe

[کیش]

there is not harm in investigating this
and what about the muslims sources and the hadith?
i understand that jews have been wicked but this is not about a jewsih ancestery but Israelite.
how can we be european while we existed much before there was a europe

That's what I am saying. Their was civilization in modern day Afg/Pak way before Persia and the Aryans, so why are we considered Aryans? Indus river civilization was one of the oldest in the planet, and they were not "Aryans".

When was this Afghan and Aryan comparison composed? My guess is when the Persians were influencing the Quell Timur Shah Durrani. If not before/After.

[Manzareh]

Gravy, I just said that nobody said we are European, you read it and still you write "how can we be European" lol, we never existed before Europe as Europe was inhabbited by humans at the same time our region was enhabitted by humans,

Pashtuns are likely the original Aryan race. Their facial features are sharper than those of most Europeans. A few thousand years ago, large numbers of sharp-nosed, dolichocephalic Aryans (Pashtun) migrated out of the cold, icy mountains of the Afghanistan/ north Pakistan regions towards the milder climates and more fertile landscapes of Europe and India. In Europe, they obviously encountered the more snub-nosed, brachycephalic (broad-headed) Gauls/Celts and Slavs. They were often at war with the Celts and Slavs, but there was probably some intermarriage as well as trade and commerce between the European Celts, Gauls and Slavs on the one hand, and the Aryan invaders on the other. This would explain why Europeans appear to have a mixture (to varying degrees) of snub Celtic/Slavic features, combined with the sharper features of the Ancient Aryan (Afghan) invaders. In India, the Aryans encountered the snub-nosed, "black-skinned" Dravidians, and the Rig Veda indicates considerable warfare. The light-skinned, sharp-featured Aryans established a brutal "caste-system" in India. However, even here, I believe there was eventually (over the centuries) some racial inter-mixture and political accommodation between perhaps the poorer segments of the Aryan population and the down-trodden Dravidians. All of this would also explain why the Celtic, Slavic and Indian languages have a noticeable Aryan influence, and are thus part of the "Indo-European" group of languages, a name which reflects the migrations of the Aryans, who invaded Europe and India.Of course, the bulk of the Aryans remained in their original homeland (the areas that are now part of north western Pakistan and eastern and southern Afghanistan). Dont forget the ancient name of this region is "Aryana".

This was all before the claim of 2,700 year old history of Jews being exiled and forming what we are now. we have been in our region before these claims so how could we have migrated there?. if ran away into Aryana then who was in Aryana prior to us?? was it deserted?? ovcourse not, how then is an exiled tribe going to invade a native population and wipe it out, also take into consideration that the people in those regions from sakas, to sythians, to hepthelites, to kushans were deeply feirce and warlike people. it is impossible to claim Jews ran away 2,700 years ago and started populating the land of such ferocious warriors.

Take the Indians for an example, they had their first contact with our racial (and not necessarily linguistic) ancestors in around 1500BC. That's when our people descended from the mountains of the Hindu Kush and captured everything south and east of the Ganges. Our kings fought against the native Indians and them amongst each other. We gave them their language and we created a caste system to maintain our hegemony. They, in return, started worshiping the Aryan kings as gods. The Vedas, Rig Vedas and the Mahabharat myth were all written during that era.

Since the Indians took our ancestors as gods (whom they still worship today), it's easy to conclude that they did not despise us but were instead in awe of us. Despite the mounting evidence for this Aryan invasion theory, Indians keep denying. In the modern world, the only people who resemble those war-like Aryans are the Pashtun people along with the Nuristanis and Gilgitis and perhaps some other non-Mongoloid peoples of Afghanistan.

[Manzareh]

The indus river civilisations, your talking about the bronze age, these people were black in colour they were dravidian by nature, so tell me how did blonde hair blue eyed people appear out of this region?? its because the Indus people were annihilated by the ancient Pashtuns, we invaded them, like i said above " first contact with our racial (and not necessarily linguistic) ancestors in around 1500BC. That's when our people descended from the mountains of the Hindu Kush and captured everything south and east of the Ganges. Our kings fought against the native Indians and them amongst each other. We gave them their language and we created a caste system to maintain our hegemony. They, in return, started worshiping the Aryan kings as gods. The Vedas, Rig Vedas and the Mahabharat myth were all written during that era"

[کیش]

^^^^Those stories sound like when Whites came into the new world, and the Native Americans mistook their white features as godly.

I have a feeling that Hindu god Krishna was a prophet of the all mighty. Books like the rig Veda were probably written by prophets like the old testament. But people over time corrupted Krishna and his message. Like Buddha being a prophet, Confucius being a prophet.

[graveyardofempires]

The indus river civilisations, your talking about the bronze age, these people were black in colour they were dravidian by nature, so tell me how did blonde hair blue eyed people appear out of this region?? its because the Indus people were annihilated by the ancient Pashtuns, we invaded them, like i said above " first contact with our racial (and not necessarily linguistic) ancestors in around 1500BC. That's when our people descended from the mountains of the Hindu Kush and captured everything south and east of the Ganges. Our kings fought against the native Indians and them amongst each other. We gave them their language and we created a caste system to maintain our hegemony. They, in return, started worshiping the Aryan kings as gods. The Vedas, Rig Vedas and the Mahabharat myth were all written during that era"

keep your channels open,because the sources you mentioned can be as unreliable.and who says pashtuns look liek arians,pashtusn have many different skin tone and eye colour.
and you say figure 1500bc ,how sure are you about that figure?
and how about our ancesters who said this,were they just making this up?

[کیش]

I Don't know if "Aryan" has anything to do with Afghan, but more to do with Persians. More research shall be done.

The thing about Pashtuns is that some have light features, some have dark features, many are in between.

[graveyardofempires]

I Don't know if "Aryan" has anything to do with Afghan, but more to do with Persians. More research shall be done.

The thing about Pashtuns is that some have light features, some have dark features, many are in between.

thats totally normal
when you live in cold places and mountanious places your skin is more lighter or becomes more lighter over years.
when you live in hot places such as kandahar you will likely have more darker skine the same in places as peshawer.
i used to have green eyes dark blond hair and white skin tone .

[Manzareh]

Idiot, dark and light is not really a feature, you can be dark skinned and still have aryan features..features meaning the forehead, jawline, nose's, eye sockets etc..they are distinct in the described features of our ancient ancestors, some are even described in the Reg Vida one of the oldest books.

The word Aryan may have alot to do with persian, But Aryan doesnt mean what Hitler meant as Aryans its a word used to describe people. whatever you want to call "the first whites" whether it be "Aryan" or "White people" when people give refrence to being the original aryans they actually mean "Light-skinned" people with specific or original "features"

[graveyardofempires]

rig veda is not that old,how can you be sure.
and in hinduism they pray to some blue coloured alian looking guy

[Lemar]

LOL! read so many funny post lol

first Iranic doesnt mean Iranian!
we should say Aryan