Pashtun with a Israelite past?

[randolph85]

We are talking about a theory which has a lot of credibility here. While I am against the Zionist state of Israel, we must not discount this theory simply due to that fact.

There is a lot of evidence that suggest we are from Bani Israel. Many Pashtuns have heard all these stories.

Think about it= who just makes this all up, and for what purpose.

Lets separate our cultural history from politics.

Yos should realize that Israel is doing the bidding of the West, and he should follow the philosophy of the Hasidic Jews in denouncing the state.

But other than that, I think we are from Bani Israel because there is no similarities with surrounding ethnic groups.

there are political reasons for this myth

http://web.archive.org/web/20050206164434/afghanology.com/BaniIsraeli.html

the story of pashtuns being jews makes no sense. so a tribe of israel fled, and traveled thousands of miles...of which there is no historical evidence. then all of the sudden stopped being jews, there is no evidence that pashtuns were jews prior to becoming muslim. not to mention that they all of the sudden stop speaking hebrew. as for pashtuns not being related to our neighbors, pashto is in the iranian family of languages and has nothing to do with hebrew. so basically they want us to believe we traveled thousands of miles, stopped speaking hebrew, and became non jews all of the sudden.

this stuff is no different than nazis traveling to asia looking for evidence of the aryan race. its a feeble attempt by israelis to affirm racial links to people who have nothing to do with them and expand their influence.

we have nothing in common with these people

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[Manzareh]

Israel is planning to fund this rare genetic study to determine whether there is a link between the lost tribes of Israel and the Pashtuns.

"Of all the groups, there is more convincing evidence about the Pashtuns than anybody else, but the Pashtuns are the ones who would reject Israel most ferociously. That is the sweet irony."

—Shalva Weil, anthropologist and senior researcher at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem

[Yos from tribe of Judea]

Israel is planning to fund this rare genetic study to determine whether there is a link between the lost tribes of Israel and the Pashtuns.

"Of all the groups, there is more convincing evidence about the Pashtuns than anybody else, but the Pashtuns are the ones who would reject Israel most ferociously. That is the sweet irony."

—Shalva Weil, anthropologist and senior researcher at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem

Israel never did the study do to political ramifications

[randolph85]

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if pashtuns were jews, would we allow this kinda **** in our communities?

[darwezkhail]

^ Lets acknowledge that every Pakhtun is not 100% of the same origin. There are exceptions. On the whole, however, the most common Pakhtun phenotypes with which Pakhtuns are associated and identified are strikingly Semetic. I can always distinguish a Pakhtun from others very easily simply by that signature look alone. Such people are always super-conservative and religious. It is a strange yet very prevalent trend associated with the particular phenotype. If you open your eyes a little you may also observe it. So some Pakhtuns may be of a different stock, but as far as the majority of the Pakhtuns with the common, distinctive looks are concerned the story might be different for us and you have to be open-minded about it. After all, we ourselves carry an age-old tradition and history of being Israelite with records going far back and documented not only by Greek, Persian, Chinese scholars but also 10th century Jewish rabbis such as Saʻadiah ben Yosef Gaon. Our very own kings, and scholars have also documented the origins as Israelite. Didn't Zahir Shah attest he was ? Don't our chieftains assert they were?

So again, lets try to be a little less impulsive and simply treat it as what it is, an uncertainty.

Here are the most typical Pashtun phenotypes:

[faye]

whatever, you are a very good looking nation. love the photos and the debate is interesting.

[darwezkhail]

I have a hard time not believing these are Israelites when they allege their parents have told them otherwise

It's just common sense... I would be more cautious and call it fuzzy at least instead of a downright denial. There are simply too many Pakhtuns like this...

[Manzareh]

Those who advocate the theory cite oral history and the names of various clans, which resemble the names of the Israelite tribes that were exiled by the Assyrian Empire 2,700 years ago are deeply confused. Numerous ancient texts, such as the Rig Veda, composed BEFORE 1200 BCE, which mentions the "Paktha" as an enemy group (e.g. in 4.25.7c), and Herodotus in his Histories composed circa 450 BCE which mentions the Pashtuns as "Paktyakai" (Book IV v.44) and as the "Aparytai" = Afridis (Book III v.91) in what is now Afghanistan and Pakistan, yet no sources before the conversion of the Pashtuns to Islam mention any Israelite or Jewish connection, nor is the Eastern Iranian language of the Pashtuns taken into account when examining the claims of Hebrew ancestry.

It could be concluded that these claims appear to have emerged amongst the Pashtuns following the Islamic conquest of Afghanistan; it is conceivable that many tribes have created elaborate ancestral lineages to link themselves to prominent peoples mentioned in the Qur'an such as Jews, Greeks (see Alexander the Great in the Qur'an), and Arabs, all of whom have come to the region, but appear to have contributed a very small genetic input into the population rather than drastically altering the demographics of Afghanistan.

Some anthropologists lend credence to the oral traditions of the elder Pashtun tribes themselves. For example, according to the Encyclopaedia of Islam, the theory of Pashtun descent from Israelites is traced to Maghzan-e-Afghani, a history compiled for Khan-e-Jehan Lodhi in the reign of Mughal Emperor Jehangir in the 16th century CE. The Maghzan-e-Afghani's Bani-Israel theory has been discounted by modern authorities, due to numerous historical and linguistic inconsistencies.

Some sources state that the Maghzan-e-Afghani, from an oral tradition, may be a myth which grew out of a political and cultural struggle between Pashtuns and the Mughals. This explains the historical backdrop for the creation of the myth, the inconsistencies of the mythology, and the linguistic research that refutes any Semitic origins.

[randolph85]

Not all Jews are like that in Israel. I can post pictures of Pashtuns who are dressed similarly here in the west. How would that make you feel?

but pashtuns don't act like that in their own country, whereas jews do. pashtun girls who act like this in western countries are assimilated into a foreign culture and have lost their own whereas in israel, this is their culture and their home.

israeli culture and pashtun culture are complete opposites.

[randolph85]

how can jews be conservative when they allow stuff like that in their own "holy land"?

most jews are secular/non religious. look at the socially liberal crap they put out in hollywood, its all jew made. look at who owns the vast majority of the pornography industry, yup jews. look at who have been at the forefront of the gay rights and feminist movements, jews.

i don't know where u get this idea of jews being conservative from. the gay bars, strip clubs, night clubs, and legalized prostitution in israel says otherwise.

[khushal]

I'm afraid that is not the case with Pashtuns. Tribal descent is a complex part of Pashtun society, and it is highly, highly unlikely that an outsider can become a part of a tribe. Pashtun culture has always been strictly patrilineal. An outsider may rarely marry a female from a tribe, but his descendants will not call themselves of that particular tribe.

My tribe is called Afridi. It is the same as that Indian fellow who is relentlessly continuing his futile struggle to link himself to the descendants of Prophet Joseph. Man cannot change his blood. I will wait for these results you speak of, the results should indeed be interesting.

Mr. Yos,
Is it true that in jewish customs, they link themselves maternally rather than paternally. I heard that it is very important that jewish men marry a jewish women, or else they lose their jewish identity.
Is divorce allowed in jewish customs?

[faye]

genetics...

Its amazing how you just completely ignored the genetic study, I brought you. I guess you see what you want to see and believe what you want to believe. Its so much more fun to close your eyes and enter into never never land than face reality

what you have said could also refer to the jews if all of this testing was done by jews.

[Dreamer]

there are political reasons for this myth

Home Page Afghanology.com

the story of pashtuns being jews makes no sense. so a tribe of israel fled, and traveled thousands of miles...of which there is no historical evidence. then all of the sudden stopped being jews, there is no evidence that pashtuns were jews prior to becoming muslim. not to mention that they all of the sudden stop speaking hebrew. as for pashtuns not being related to our neighbors, pashto is in the iranian family of languages and has nothing to do with hebrew. so basically they want us to believe we traveled thousands of miles, stopped speaking hebrew, and became non jews all of the sudden.

this stuff is no different than nazis traveling to asia looking for evidence of the aryan race. its a feeble attempt by israelis to affirm racial links to people who have nothing to do with them and expand their influence.

we have nothing in common with these people

them





us

what has that got 2 do with anything... please stop being so childish and argue with a little more respect

[khushal]

I agree, stop posting these pics. We dont want to see this filth. argue with words.

[Manzareh]

Emal: According to the Y-chromosome DNA studies from pakistan, pashto speaking people are more closely related to european than to jewsh. there is no scientific proof that pashtuns are one of the 10 lost tribes.

Two populations, the Kashmiris and the Pathans, also lay claim to a possible Jewish origin. Jewish populations commonly have a moderate frequency of haplogroup 21 (e.g., 20%) and a high frequency of haplogroup 9 (e.g., 36%; (Hammer et al. 2000). The frequencies of both of these haplogroups are low in the Kashmiris and Pathans, and haplogroup 28 is present at 13% in the Pathans, so no support for a Jewish origin is found, and the admixture estimate was 0%.

Y-Chromosomal DNA Variation in Pakistan