Pashtun with a Israelite past?

[darwezkhail]

No not at all, if we are brothers than its your war as well. If we are brothers than the land of Israel is also your land!

Look at this map please, this was how the land was once divided between us

YouTube - Khurasan by Sheikh Imran Hosein

Watch this video carefully. This is a Islamic scholar from Trinidad and Tobago giving a lecture regarding Afghanistan prophecies in the Islamic tradition.

I anticipate the revival of the Kingdom that once stood. It is prophesized to occur according to Islamic tradition under the leadership of the Mahdi/Messiah though but it would, unfortunately for you, be to depose the Zionist regime and restore peace, equality and justice.

[Dreamer]

i love how he plays the faith card when the majority of jews are golden calf worshipers.

please do not equate "jews" in the religious sence with jews who are secular and only culturally jewish... I have some wonderful jewish friends who are God fearing and devout

[Yos from tribe of Judea]

^^^^but how would we know that the Israeli"s their aren't just descendants of European converts?

You'll prob just make us fight your wars, like everyone else.

We have a very strong unbroken tradition of who we are from. In addition among us is the Levitt tribe, extensive genetic testing has been done because they want to see who is a true priest and the only a true priest may serve in the great Temple in Jerusalem, may we rebuild it soon, Amen! They have found that levits from every where even Yemen have specific gene that is exclusive to them. Now they are beginning studies on the wider Jewish populations and so far they have found that many Jewish communities from many different places are related.

But more than that, after the second exile from Judea in 69 CE the Rabbis instituted many rules and costumes that we still follow today in remembrance of Jerusalem. We even have a 24 hour fast day every summer on the 9th of Av that commemorates the fall of our Temple.One important part of this fast is the declaration at the beginning last year it was " Today is 1941 years since the destruction of the Temple" we have been doing this every generation since the destruction.

Last there is no way the majority or even sizable minority of us are from converts, in Europe it was strictly illegal by the Church for anyone to convert to Judaism and the penalty was death for those who did. Jews were always confined until the 1800s to Ghettos and were kept away from the general society. Its simply impossible for mass conversion under such conditions.

[randolph85]

please do not equate "jews" in the religious sence with jews who are secular and only culturally jewish... I have some wonderful jewish friends who are God fearing and devout

thats why i said the majority, not all. even the Quran says there are good jews, but most are wicked. its their fault for merging their supposed race with their religion which turns into some secular pseudo master race syndrome.

[Dreamer]

We have a very strong unbroken tradition of who we are from. In addition among us is the Levitt tribe, extensive genetic testing has been done because they want to see who is a true priest and the only a true priest may serve in the great Temple in Jerusalem, may we rebuild it soon, Amen! They have found that levits from every where even Yemen have specific gene that is exclusive to them. Now they are beginning studies on the wider Jewish populations and so far they have found that many Jewish communities from many different places are related.

But more than that, after the second exile from Judea in 69 CE the Rabbis instituted many rules and costumes that we still follow today in remembrance of Jerusalem. We even have a 24 hour fast day every summer on the 9th of Av that commemorates the fall of our Temple.One important part of this fast is the declaration at the beginning last year it was " Today is 1941 years since the destruction of the Temple" we have been doing this every generation since the destruction.

Last there is no way the majority or even sizable minority of us are from converts, in Europe it was strictly illegal by the Church for anyone to convert to Judaism and the penalty was death for those who did. Jews were always confined until the 1800s to Ghettos and were kept away from the general society. Its simply impossible for mass conversion under such conditions.

sorry ashkanazi jews are as semetic as I am...

[Dreamer]

thats why i said the majority, not all. even the Quran says there are good jews, but most are wicked.

the quran talks about the arab jews... you can not say the majority are wicked... Do not forget
companions like Abdullah ibn salaam and Hazrat Safiya bint Huay who was prophets wife were Hebrew as were the bulk of prophets mentioned in the quran and figures like Hz Maryam the virgin etc

[Yos from tribe of Judea]

NY Times Article: Studies Show Jews’ Genetic Similarity

sorry ashkanazi jews are as semetic as I am...

Studies Show Jews’ Genetic Similarity
By NICHOLAS WADE
Published: June 9, 2010

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/10/science/10jews.html

Jewish communities in Europe and the Middle East share many genes inherited from the ancestral Jewish population that lived in the Middle East some 3,000 years ago, even though each community also carries genes from other sources — usually the country in which it lives.
That is the conclusion of two new genetic surveys, the first to use genome-wide scanning devices to compare many Jewish communities around the world.

A major surprise from both surveys is the genetic closeness of the two Jewish communities of Europe, the Ashkenazim and the Sephardim. The Ashkenazim thrived in Northern and Eastern Europe until their devastation by the Hitler regime, and now live mostly in the United States and Israel. The Sephardim were exiled from Spain in 1492 and from Portugal in 1497 and moved to the Ottoman Empire, North Africa and the Netherlands.

The two genome surveys extend earlier studies based just on the Y chromosome, the genetic element carried by all men. They refute the suggestion made last year by the historian Shlomo Sand in his book “The Invention of the Jewish People” that Jews have no common origin but are a miscellany of people in Europe and Central Asia who converted to Judaism at various times.

Jewish communities from Europe, the Middle East and the Caucasus all have substantial genetic ancestry that traces back to the Levant; Ethiopian Jews and two Judaic communities in India are genetically much closer to their host populations.

The surveys provide rich data about genetic ancestry that is of great interest to historians. “I’m constantly impressed by the manner in which the geneticists keep moving ahead with new projects and illuminating what we know of history,” said Lawrence H. Schiffman, a professor of Judaic studies at New York University.

One of the surveys was conducted by Gil Atzmon of the Albert Einstein College of Medicine and Harry Ostrer of New York University and appears in the current American Journal of Human Genetics. The other, led by Doron M. Behar of the Rambam Health Care Campus in Haifa and Richard Villems of the University of Tartu in Estonia, is published in Thursday’s edition of Nature.

Dr. Atzmon and Dr. Ostrer have developed a way of timing demographic events from the genetic elements shared by different Jewish communities. Their calculations show that Iraqi and Iranian Jews separated from other Jewish communities about 2,500 years ago. This genetic finding presumably reflects a historical event, the destruction of the First Temple at Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar in 587 B.C. and the exile of many Jews there to his capital at Babylon.

The shared genetic elements suggest that members of any Jewish community are related to one another as closely as are fourth or fifth cousins in a large population, which is about 10 times higher than the relationship between two people chosen at random off the streets of New York City, Dr. Atzmon said.

Ashkenazic and Sephardic Jews have roughly 30 percent European ancestry, with most of the rest from the Middle East, the two surveys find. The two communities seem very similar to each other genetically, which is unexpected because they have been separated for so long.

One explanation is that they come from the same Jewish source population in Europe. The Atzmon-Ostrer team found that the genomic signature of Ashkenazim and Sephardim was very similar to that of Italian Jews, suggesting that an ancient population in northern Italy of Jews intermarried with Italians could have been the common origin. The Ashkenazim first appear in Northern Europe around A.D. 800, but historians suspect that they arrived there from Italy.

Another explanation, which may be complementary to the first, is that there was far more interchange and intermarriage than expected between the two communities in medieval times.

The genetics confirms a trend noticed by historians: that there was more contact between Ashkenazim and Sephardim than suspected, with Italy as the linchpin of interchange, said Aron Rodrigue, a Stanford University historian.

A common surname among Italian Jews is Morpurgo, meaning someone from Marburg in Germany. Also, Dr. Rodrigue said, one of the most common names among the Sephardim who settled in the Ottoman Empire is Eskenazi, indicating that many Ashkenazim had joined the Sephardic community there.

The two genetic surveys indicate “that there may be common origins shared by the two groups, but also that there were extensive contacts and settlements,” Dr. Rodrigue said.

Hebrew could have served as the lingua franca between the Ashkenazic community, speaking Yiddish, and the Ladino-speaking Sephardim. “When Jews met each other, they spoke Hebrew,” Dr. Schiffman said, referring to the medieval period.

[Dreamer]

Ashkanazi jews are descendants of kazak and turkic tribes to the jewish faith... some Mirzahi jews are also descendent of converts namely in the Yeman... sephardic jews I can accept as being of middle eastern origin but not ashkanazi ....

[randolph85]

the quran talks about the arab jews... you can not say the majority are wicked... Do not forget
companions like Abdullah ibn salaam and Hazrat Safiya bint Huay who was prophets wife were Hebrew as were the bulk of prophets mentioned in the quran and figures like Hz Maryam the virgin etc

well those happen to be the good jews.

look at the jews of today, and left and the right. the left are a bunch of homo, prostitute, porn directing, financially corrupt people who hold on to the chosen people part of their religion but nothing else. the right has lunatics and idiots like this yos fellow who have no problem with stealing land and killing innocents. then you have people like your friends who are in the small group of decent jews.

[Dreamer]

well those happen to be the good jews.

look at the jews of today, and left and the right. the left are a bunch of homo, prostitute, porn directing, financially corrupt people who hold on to the chosen people part of their religion but nothing else. the right has lunatics and idiots like this yos fellow who have no problem with stealing land and killing innocents. then you have people like your friends who are in the small group of decent jews.

good and bad in all communities... please do not generalise...

[Yos from tribe of Judea]

Ashkanazi jews are descendants of kazak and turkic tribes to the jewish faith... some Mirzahi jews are also descendent of converts namely in the Yeman... sephardic jews I can accept as being of middle eastern origin but not ashkanazi ....

Its amazing how you just completely ignored the genetic study, I brought you. I guess you see what you want to see and believe what you want to believe. Its so much more fun to close your eyes and enter into never never land than face reality

[darwezkhail]

Okay, this discussion is getting out of hand.

If Yos approached even the most fundamentalist Muslim Pakhtuns of Afghanistan and FATA with these inquiries instead they would treat him with hospitality and kindness despite his support for Zionism.
Lets try to behave ourselves a little here. There is always a nice way to convey our points of views so we shouldn't have to resort to immaturity.

[Yos from tribe of Judea]

The shared genetic elements suggest that members of any Jewish community are related to one another as closely as are fourth or fifth cousins in a large population, which is about 10 times higher than the relationship between two people chosen at random off the streets of New York City, Dr. Atzmon said.



Studies Show Jews’ Genetic Similarity
By NICHOLAS WADE
Published: June 9, 2010

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/10/science/10jews.html

[Dreamer]

yea how come you ignore genetic studies which show pashtuns being closely related to kurds etc....

[randolph85]

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Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance." Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against Allah.

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They say: "Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (To salvation)." Say thou: "Nay! (I would rather) the Religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with Allah."

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Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) places, and say: "We hear and we disobey"; and "Hear what is not Heard"; and "Ra'ina"; with a twist of their tongues and a slander to Faith. If only they had said: "What hear and we obey"; and "Do hear"; and "Do look at us"; it would have been better for them, and more proper; but Allah hath cursed them for their Unbelief; and but few of them will believe.

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O Messenger! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, "If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!" If any one's trial is intended by Allah, thou hast no authority in the least for him against Allah. For such - it is not Allah's will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment.

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To the Jews We prohibited such things as We have mentioned to thee before: We did them no wrong, but they were used to doing wrong to themselves.

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Say: "O ye that stand on Judaism! If ye think that ye are friends to Allah, to the exclusion of (other) men, then express your desire for Death, if ye are truthful!"