Pashtun with a Israelite past?

[کیش]

how does a "lost tribe" of pashtuns who stand at 36 million or so, completely outnumber all the jews in the world who are only at 14 million.

Forget It were Iranian. The evidence of "accepting" is just too Sahih.

[randolph85]

i dont buy the "aryan" thing either. i never understood why people want to think they are aryan. attention: hitler was wrong, aryans weren't generically superior supermen. there is no "pure" race, each ethnic group shares parts with their surrounding neighbors.

there is no proof of any israeli origins either besides some random pashtun saying they think they are part of a lost tribe. or some israeli jew saying it might be possible because they heard that some pashtuns do some obscure practices which may or may not be related to a jewish practice. for 1 thing jews and pashtuns have in common, there are a 100 things which we dont.

[Shehbaz Khan]

A. Ghani Khan says

Most people look at his nose and say he is a Jew. Because they cannot link him with anyone else, they say he is one of the last tribes. His Islamic faith and it's inevitable influence on his life and manners give a certain plausibility to this impression. Yet the basic principles that rule him no matter who the king is, are more Spartan than Jewish.

He further writes ..

"... Racially he is clearly Greek crossed with something, What that something was I don't know..."


he further says .. "Whatever he might be, he is not a Jew, for where will you find a Jew who will tell his child about war and courage, death and glory. He is perhaps the mixture of every race that came to India from the heart of Asia. The Persian, The Greek, The Mongol and the Turk.

Each race has contributed something to his virtues and vices, looks and beliefs, religion and love songs. His temperament, like his clothes, is picturesque and elegant. He loves fighting but hates to be a soldier. He loves music but has a great contempt for a musician. He is kind and gentle but hates to show it. He has strangee principles and peculiar notions. He is hot blooded and hot headed and is poor and proud. If that is what you call a Jew, then he certainly is a Jew, nose and all.

[Yos from tribe of Judea]

Forget It were Iranian. The evidence of "accepting" is just too Sahih.

You must understand that you are not just one tribe, but a mix of several Israel tribes so naturally you are going to be more. Second we who come from Judea have been severely tormented by both the Christian and Muslim world for 1900 years. We have been through mass slaughter after slaughter, persecution of every kind under the sun, so please excuse us if our numbers are low.

[randolph85]

your numbers are low because you don't accept conversions and like the Quran says, tried to hide the word of God from non jews.

[Shehbaz Khan]

A. Ghani Khan wrote at the end of the history section in his book the Pathans

Here I quote:

The best course would be to forget how it all started and look upon what he really is today. Neither a Jew nor a Greek, but a temperamental neighbor who might become a loving friend, or a deadly enemy. He knows no happy medium ; that is his greatest virtue and greatest drawback.

[Yos from tribe of Judea]

So not only are we israelites, but now we are weak Israelites..see this is the problem with you Jews, you have a superiority complex, you look down on people too much and see everyone as weak. Brother Yos im not being biased but you put 10 Jewish men to fight 10 Pashtun men 1 on 1 i would put my life savings down that the Pashtuns would certainly not be weaker. Pashtuns are dominant by nature, you may see this as me talking about the physical aspects and you are talking about steadfastness and controling desires mentally, i am not talking physically although it would contribute to it alot, i am talking about the heart of a Pashtun, and the drive never to give up what he believes in, they would have NEVER been weak in the commitment to the Torah if they were Jews i can assure you they would be the most staunch Jews..ever since the existance they have faught for what they believe in and have reached the pinnicle of their religious beliefs, (Imaandari means Steadfastness which is a key point in Pashtunwali which is the Pashtuns code of life) it would be very unlikely that they were weak in commitment to the Torah law. history shows this from Alexander to Genghis they all recognised this.

2700 years ago we wernt driven out from anyware, Pashtuns would die fighting till the last Pashtun than run away, now or 100 years ago or 2000 years ago we are the same people (to be a pashtun you have to be brave its called 'Tureh' in pashtunwali). we were Pactyan Aryans that still speak the same language. if we were Jews, we would have carried our language along with us to Archosia,Bactriana and Pactya, we have the only surviving language left from ancient Arianna. if anything the only thing that occurd was that the Jews that were driven out were given sanctuary with the ancient Pashtuns/Pakhtus/Hephthalites (because of our 'Melmastia' the respect for guests or 'nanawati' in Pashtunwali) and formed tribes such as the 'orakzais' (these people which are a minority may have Jewish blood, but even so are now a native group).

What makes a person is the heart he has, You will NEVER find a Pashtun in a tank shooting kids with rocks, that my friend is a Jewish heart.

Thanks.

First you did not understand what I said, I did not say you were weak physically, you were weak in terms of your commitment to the law of Moses, and if you read the prophets you will see this is true without doubt. Juda was also weak, but since they controlled Jerusalem they were closer to the Temple and thus closer to tradition. The Ten tribes who comprised the Kingdom of Israel in the north of the land did not have access to the Temple do to the wickedness of their kings, like Yerabam Ben Nevat who actually put up guards on the roads leading to Jerusalem to prevent the masses from making the 3 time a year pilgrimage to the temple in Jerusalem. He was afraid that if the masses went to Jerusalem which was in the territory of the southern Kingdom of Juda, the would overthrow him and the Northern Kingdom would reunite with the South as was in the time of King David and King Salamon. Yerabam ben Nevat than forced the masses to worship and idol called the Bal and he created a new temple in the north. The rules of yerabam were kept by all kings who came after him. Finally there was a war between the Kingdom of Israel and Assyria and they drove you out.

After they were driven into exile by Assyria, many of the tribes began to return to the ways of the Torah of Moshe, they realized they should have listened to the prophets and not served idols, so while they spiritually strengthened, they did not return 100%. Now it is beautiful to see that pashtuni people keep fiercely to the laws and traditions they were able to retrieve after having been driven out of Israel.

I served in the Jewish army in Israel and we never ever fired our guns without need and certainly never at women and children, the rules in the Israel army for respecting others is very very strict and soldiers who disobey are punished severely, I can tell you that as a sergeant. Sadly the media plays a dirty war on us and makes us look evil army.

I agree what makes the person is his heart and after 1900 long bitter years of persecution we came home, to the same homeland the Babylonians drove us out from 2,500 years ago and again the Romans 1,900 years ago, we came home to the land of our forfathers Abraham, Issac and Jacob and with the help of God we will never leave again. That my friend is heart, seeing it all and beating it all.

[Yos from tribe of Judea]

your numbers are low because you don't accept conversions and like the Quran says, tried to hide the word of God from non jews.

we do not hide the word of God from anyone, the world is not obligated in keeping the commands of the Torah. They have their 7 laws, which God commanded to Noah which they must keep. A Non Jew by keeping the 7 laws can obtain a higher place in heaven than a Jew.

[graveyardofempires]

[QUOTE=Yos from tribe of Judea;302803]Of course you are not Jews, because you are not from the Israelite tribe of Yehuda, Benyamin or Levi who were exiled from the southern Kingdom of Yehuda about 250 years after the Kingdom of Israel which was located in northern Israel fell. If we are brother tribes, then you were exiled as I mentioned from either the tribes of Reuben, Shimon, Yissacher, Zevulun, Dan, Naftali, Gad, Asher, Meneshe or Efraim, which formed the northern Kingdom of Israel.

Second we know that the Jews of Yemen who were more or less cut off from the rest of the know Jewish world until modern times, and were from he second exile of Yehuda, Benyamin and Levi have the exact same Torah minus 2 letters as do the rest of world Jewry and they have been living in Yemen for about 2600 years. They keep more or less the same ritual law as do the rest of known jewry. I would like to stop and remind you the Bani Israel (of which Juda is but one tribe) is only called Jews becuause by the time of the exile of the southern Kingdom of Juda, 2600 years ago, only 3 tribes ( Yehuda, Benyamin and Levi) remaind and since Juda ws the largest, they sort of overshadowed the the other two and thus we are known collectivly known as Jew (from the word Juda). It was also these tribes that came back and ressteled the land of Israel and Jerusalem about 70 years after the exile by Nebuchadnetzar King of Babylon. The other 10 who were exiled about 250 years earlierb by Asseria.

Our Torah and our ancient ways are more or less unchanged, you must rememebr that the 10 northern tribes were spiritually weaker and did more idol worship in biblical times than did the northern Kingdom, there were many evil kings in the north that did not allow their people to go up to Jerusalem to worhsip God in the Temple and therefore they became spiritually weak and thus today you find groups like yours that only maintained small parts of the Torah and its ritual. As I said earlier in the thread, I think that of all the groups that claim "bani Israel" your is the storngest claim, you have the most retained ritual and Israelite memory.

and than we got a call from our Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) and got on the right track.
and all these people here who say that pashtunwali is upheld higher than Islam dont know what they are talking about.
Pashtunwali makes pashtuns more conservative muslims but saying pashtunwali is higher than Islam is totally false.
you go tell to a how you call them village pashtun that pukhtunwali si higher than Islam he will kick you in the face.

[randolph85]

First you did not understand what I said, I did not say you were weak physically, you were weak in terms of your commitment to the law of Moses, and if you read the prophets you will see this is true without doubt. Juda was also weak, but since they controlled Jerusalem they were closer to the Temple and thus closer to tradition. The Ten tribes who comprised the Kingdom of Israel in the north of the land did not have access to the Temple do to the wickedness of their kings, like Yerabam Ben Nevat who actually put up guards on the roads leading to Jerusalem to prevent the masses from making the 3 time a year pilgrimage to the temple in Jerusalem. He was afraid that if the masses went to Jerusalem which was in the territory of the southern Kingdom of Juda, the would overthrow him and the Northern Kingdom would reunite with the South as was in the time of King David and King Salamon. Yerabam ben Nevat than forced the masses to worship and idol called the Bal and he created a new temple in the north. The rules of yerabam were kept by all kings who came after him. Finally there was a war between the Kingdom of Israel and Assyria and they drove you out.

After they were driven into exile by Assyria, many of the tribes began to return to the ways of the Torah of Moshe, they realized they should have listened to the prophets and not served idols, so while they spiritually strengthened, they did not return 100%. Now it is beautiful to see that pashtuni people keep fiercely to the laws and traditions they were able to retrieve after having been driven out of Israel.

I served in the Jewish army in Israel and we never ever fired our guns without need and certainly never at women and children, the rules in the Israel army for respecting others is very very strict and soldiers who disobey are punished severely, I can tell you that as a sergeant. Sadly the media plays a dirty war on us and makes us look evil army.

I agree what makes the person is his heart and after 1900 long bitter years of persecution we came home, to the same homeland the Babylonians drove us out from 2,500 years ago and again the Romans 1,900 years ago, we came home to the land of our forfathers Abraham, Issac and Jacob and with the help of God we will never leave again. That my friend is heart, seeing it all and beating it all.

i am pretty sure the media hasn't killed 1000s of innocents, or stolen land. that was you guys.

israel is a secular state, you have strip clubs in your cities and gay pride parades in your streets, your country produces porn films, and you think God is going to help you people? according to polls, most israelis aren't even religious. its the golden calf all over again.

[graveyardofempires]

A. Ghani Khan says

Most people look at his nose and say he is a Jew. Because they cannot link him with anyone else, they say he is one of the last tribes. His Islamic faith and it's inevitable influence on his life and manners give a certain plausibility to this impression. Yet the basic principles that rule him no matter who the king is, are more Spartan than Jewish.

He further writes ..

"... Racially he is clearly Greek crossed with something, What that something was I don't know..."


he further says .. "Whatever he might be, he is not a Jew, for where will you find a Jew who will tell his child about war and courage, death and glory. He is perhaps the mixture of every race that came to India from the heart of Asia. The Persian, The Greek, The Mongol and the Turk.

Each race has contributed something to his virtues and vices, looks and beliefs, religion and love songs. His temperament, like his clothes, is picturesque and elegant. He loves fighting but hates to be a soldier. He loves music but has a great contempt for a musician. He is kind and gentle but hates to show it. He has strangee principles and peculiar notions. He is hot blooded and hot headed and is poor and proud. If that is what you call a Jew, then he certainly is a Jew, nose and all.

i have alot of respect for Ghani Khan but i have to disagree with him saying that we are racilly greek crossed with something.

[graveyardofempires]

Do you have evidence that it is false, do you perhaps know someone who lives in Abad who can verfiy if they really close the gates for 24 hours sunset on friday to sunset Saturday?

If you can verfiy and refute I would be more than happy to hear. As i said in the begining I am simple on a fact finding mission to know if we are brothers or strangers, any info i can get would be helpful.

they have been telling you lies
and those Afghan jews are not even pashtuns,they are from samarqand and bukhara

[graveyardofempires]

First you did not understand what I said, I did not say you were weak physically, you were weak in terms of your commitment to the law of Moses, and if you read the prophets you will see this is true without doubt. Juda was also weak, but since they controlled Jerusalem they were closer to the Temple and thus closer to tradition. The Ten tribes who comprised the Kingdom of Israel in the north of the land did not have access to the Temple do to the wickedness of their kings, like Yerabam Ben Nevat who actually put up guards on the roads leading to Jerusalem to prevent the masses from making the 3 time a year pilgrimage to the temple in Jerusalem. He was afraid that if the masses went to Jerusalem which was in the territory of the southern Kingdom of Juda, the would overthrow him and the Northern Kingdom would reunite with the South as was in the time of King David and King Salamon. Yerabam ben Nevat than forced the masses to worship and idol called the Bal and he created a new temple in the north. The rules of yerabam were kept by all kings who came after him. Finally there was a war between the Kingdom of Israel and Assyria and they drove you out.

After they were driven into exile by Assyria, many of the tribes began to return to the ways of the Torah of Moshe, they realized they should have listened to the prophets and not served idols, so while they spiritually strengthened, they did not return 100%. Now it is beautiful to see that pashtuni people keep fiercely to the laws and traditions they were able to retrieve after having been driven out of Israel.

I served in the Jewish army in Israel and we never ever fired our guns without need and certainly never at women and children, the rules in the Israel army for respecting others is very very strict and soldiers who disobey are punished severely, I can tell you that as a sergeant. Sadly the media plays a dirty war on us and makes us look evil army.

I agree what makes the person is his heart and after 1900 long bitter years of persecution we came home, to the same homeland the Babylonians drove us out from 2,500 years ago and again the Romans 1,900 years ago, we came home to the land of our forfathers Abraham, Issac and Jacob and with the help of God we will never leave again. That my friend is heart, seeing it all and beating it all.

are you seriouse?

let me guess,palestinian have control over the mass media.
didnt we see your army doing a massacre live on tv.

its better we stay on topic

[randolph85]

its funny, if israel actually followed torah law, 90% of its citizens would probably be put to death.

[Yos from tribe of Judea]

are you seriouse?

let me guess,palestinian have control over the mass media.
didnt we see your army doing a massacre live on tv.

its better we stay on topic

Yes I would like very much to stay on topic, but when people on the forum decide to bring this up and to make false accusations against me and the army which I served, I will speak back and defend myself. I was only responding to false accusations and its interesting that only I am asked to stop making comments regarding this.

There was never any massacre on TV, I do not know how some of the press is manipulating pictures and videos, but I know the truth. Like the Mohamed Aldura lie, he was not killed by any Israeli solider, they have Arial Maps showing exactly where Israeli troops were firing from and unless Israel has some magic bullet that can swerve around buildings, he was most likely killed by Arab fire, but the entire media at the time and even know claims Israel killed the boy in cold blood.

YouTube - Muhamad Al-Dura was not killed.