Pashtun with a Israelite past?

[کیش]

there is no evidence of us being jews either... we are an iranic people... I didnt say we were persian... u still havent grasped that concept... note IRANIC not Iranian

I dislike the term "Iranic" if you don't mean Iran, then i think Persians should called themselves west of Afghanistan. And "Afghani"

Let's forget about it for rest of day. Let other people debate

Where does quriashi come from? Let's ignore what's in front of you

[Dreamer]

I dislike the term "Iranic" if you don't mean Iran, then i think Persians should called themselves west of Afghanistan. And "Afghani"

Let's forget about it for rest of day. Let other people debate

it doesnt matter what u like or dislike... Iranic is a term... if it makes u feel better use the term aryan instead... oh and jews and arabs re defiantly not aryan

these are just some of my family who have aryan features i.e fair skin and coloured eyes.... semites do not have these features on the whole

these are my realitives... note the aryan features

[Dreamer]

I dislike the term "Iranic" if you don't mean Iran, then i think Persians should called themselves west of Afghanistan. And "Afghani"

Let's forget about it for rest of day. Let other people debate

Where does quriashi come from? Let's ignore what's in front of you

you have never thought that some people changed their name to be linked to the prophet and over time their descendents claimes to be from the prophets family? lol

[کیش]

Not all Pashtun have those features. I dislike Aryan, Iranic, and Persians being termed as Afghans. Just because we are near them don't mean we are them.

If Arabs and Jews are not Iranic, then why are Afghans? Am sure I could find some fair skinned, light eyes Semites as well. That doesn't mean anything.

We could go back and forth. Forget it. Iran or Iranic, it should be west of Afghan and/or Afghanic.

And the toddler in the first pic, is too cute.

[کیش]

It may be true. This story has past down through my forefathers. However, we contniued the tradition of truth and accepted Islam. It made sense to the people at the time to accept Islam.

I think it is true. If the case, then the Eastern Jews(Sephardics) would be genetically related to us, and not Western Jews who are from Khazzar Turkic tribes.

At the end of day, you could say we Pashtuns are now the chosen people since we accepted the message of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

Why would our forefathers lie and make up stuff like what dreamer is saying? Why lie to be Hebrews? Why change and manipulate tribes name like quriashi so they could say they are related to the prophets? Yes dreamer has a point so Pashtuns could be all biblical and such but how come no other people on earth do this? Why is it that Pashtuns are the most uniquest people on earth? If we were happy go lucky Iranic people like central Asians and Persians, why does all mighty god always but the Pashtuns to plight?

Why British not invade Persia but decided to go Pashtun lands after India?

Why Russia not invade Iran?

Why, why and why!?
Doesn't god but his favorites into test and plight?

[کیش]

Why is it like the land of Judea, The lands of Pashtuns have non stop war?
Why is it that British separated Pashtuns, with a line, similar to how Hebrews were?(Judea, and Jerusalem)
Why is it that Pashtuns have tribal system like Hebrews? Other places have tribes but not how Pashtuns and Hebrews.
Why is it that theirs numerous hadiths about Pashtun lands?
Why is it that Pashtuns die like cockroaches, but are not the least scared like other people?
Why is it that other people use us to fight their battles?
If Pasthuns are "Iranic" why is it that only Pashtuns have this plight?
Why is it that Kabul is a city in Afghanistan, when Cabul was a city created by king Solomon 3 ,000 years? Did Afghans just rename it, so they could be biblical?
Why is it that pashtunwali, follow same codes as the inhabitants of the dead sea scrolls. Is it that they wanted to be biblical, when this book was just found in the 20"s. And was determined to be from first century BC

[Babadung]

what are you talking about
we pashtuns are ont he side of palestinians so stop this bias.
the discussion going on among you for centuries is not of great importance to us since we are not jewish.
btw there is an islamic prophecy which also talks about pashtuns going to israel and it wont be to stand along you doing crime against palestinians.
do you know that many taliban are from the tribe of Eshaqzai(son of Isaac)

this thread was about something else now it has turned into defending zionism.

lol forget Pelastain...have u seen arabs? what you say is part of arab propaganda to use us pashtons...so they can come and hide behind our children and fight their war...destroy our homes while keeping their country intact. Have you seen how these Arabs treat those poor Pakistani, Indian and others in Gulf States? I have never meet a single arab in my whole life that I remotely could like…forget these fairytales.

[Babadung]

I really get irritated when Afghans swear that they are the same as Persians. This is false, and they are getting spread disinformation and passing it off as real. We are not Aryanic at all, and have a lot in common with the Israelites.

My guess is that the Israelites got exiled their, settled with the people who lived their, and married each other.

Your Pakistanis what you say or think does not matter. We are no semtic!

[Babadung]

I find it highly unlikely because the majority of pakhtuns have been found with genetics from all over, turks, arabs, greeks and slavic people. I did a genographics study test myself and it was linked with turks.

Although I read an article on an Afridi(pakhtun tribe) family living in India and they were strongly linked to jews. So a few may have been.

where you get that? can you post a link?

[Babadung]

I find it highly unlikely because the majority of pakhtuns have been found with genetics from all over, turks, arabs, greeks and slavic people. I did a genographics study test myself and it was linked with turks.

Although I read an article on an Afridi(pakhtun tribe) family living in India and they were strongly linked to jews. So a few may have been.

What’s Turks genetic? Turkic are yellow race...at lest original Turks. There is no such a thing is Turk DNA.

[darwezkhail]

Also, why is our culture so reminiscent of the Mosaic law...

Why do tribal Pakhtun men view it as the ultimate humiliation to be seen bare-headed and even the extremely poor, and illiterate can never be seen without facial hair or head covering due to custom and utter contempt for a lack of such? Why do even the most illiterate of us have our women cover even in front of their kin in the name of Pakhtunwali and not Islam?

Why don't Persian or Indonesian or Punjabi Muslims adhere to these practices as a cultural norm as fervently and religiously as even the most remote, isolated and uneducated of us do?

The majority of tribal Pakhtuns till this day say they are Pakhtun first and Muslim second, as wrong as that may sound. Pakhtunwali plays a drastically larger and more important role than Islam does in day to day life of Pakhtuns both indigenous ones and those living abroad. When people see Pakhtuns fervently observing practices similar and akin to Islamic ones, they often confuse the fact that much of it is done in the name of Pakhtunwali which existed and was practiced fervently many centuries before the Islam as we know it today from Nabi (SAW).



Why is our culture and lifestyle so distinct from the Iranic Turkic Dravidian and Mongoloid groups we live amongst?

Why is it that in the book of Jeremiah, Allah SWT says to Israelites:


Jeremiah 51:20-21 – “You (Israel) are My battle-ax and weapons of war: for with you I will break the nation in pieces; with you I will destroy kingdoms; with you I will break in pieces the horse and its rider; with you also I will break in pieces the chariot and its rider…”


This is an article attempting to elaborate into Pakhtunwali, the lifestyle with which Pakhtun lives REVOLVE around constantly as if it were a RELIGION in and of itself . The source is globalsecurity.org.


Pashtunwali / Pashtunwaali


Nang - honor / bravery - is foremost in this code. This is articulated in a starkly black-and-white, all-or-nothing manner. Without honor, life for a Pakhtun is not worth living. According to Pashtunwali, it is the absolute duty of men to protect the respectability of women and to protect the integrity of the homeland. According to the most approved Pashtunwali, every man defended himself and defied his neighbours. Honor demands the maintenance of sexual propriety. Complete chastity among female relatives is of the essence; only with the purity and good repute of his mother, daughters, sisters, and wife (or wives) does a man ensure his honor. Thus women are restricted to private, family compounds in much of the province. Census takers, invariably male, are constrained not to ask about the women in another man's home, and the number of men in a household is often overstated because sons and brothers are a source of strength. Accurate enumeration of the population hence is not possible.

Badal - revenge - is closely related to the notion of honor. Badal revolves around zan (women), zar (wealth), and zameen / zamin (land). Offenses to one's honor must be avenged, or there is no honor. Badal is the most important, dominanat and greatest of all Pathan traits. The urge to take revenge on his enemy, is infused in the very blood of a Pathan. Although minor problems may be settled by negotiation, murder demands blood revenge, and partners in illicit sexual liaisons are killed if discovered. Even making lewd innuendos or, in the case of women, having one's reputation maligned may mean death. The men involved sometimes escape to other regions, where they may well be tracked down by the woman's kin. When a woman is killed, the assailant is, almost without exception, a close male relative. Killings associated with sexual misconduct are the only ones that do not demand revenge. Even the courts are accustomed to dealing leniently in such cases. The revenging wrongs encourages feuds more than it punishes aggressions. Two men quarrel in a field, and one strikes or wounds the other; the relations take it up. They meet on some occasion, fight and kill a man; from that moment the quarrel is deadly; if of different tribes and the quarrel important, the whole tribes go to feud. Semi-barbarians constantly quarrelling, have always feuds on their hands. Feuds are a system of petty warfare carried on by long shots, stealing cattle, and burning crops. Samson burning his neighbours' corn acted just like a Pashtun. When the harvest was nearly ripe, neither party dared sleep. Vendettas and feuds are an endemic feature of social relations and an index of individual and group identity. Revenge may take time: as one Pashtun proverb goes, “I took my revenge after a hundred years, and I only regret that I acted in haste.” Indeed, it may take generations to avenge the wrong, but retribution will be the focus of the family’s life until honor is recouped.

Merana / Mairrana - bravery and Ghairat / zeal is needed to keep on one's own and his tribe's prestige. One has to be zealous, couraeous and somewhat headless. Ghairat and Mairrana are synonyms. Merana means an act of zealousness.

Tura - sword require Pashtuns to answer a plea for help even if it involves risking their own life. Turzan is courageous. Possessing Tura means being courageous and warrior. Tura is sacred and disrespect for it makes one liable to pay nagha. One swears by Tura. If someone is engaged to a girl and is away from home his family can get the girl married to a Tura as with Topak. After the ceremony of such marriage the family of her husband takes the girl along. She lives there until her husband returns. When a coourageous act for guarding the grace of the tribe is done, it is said that Tura-i- wakrra i. e. he did Tura. The cover of Tura is called Teki. The meaning of a common Pashto proverb is "Dont take tura of its teki'but once you do, it must be reddened".

Nanawati / nanawatey / nanawaty / Nanawate - refuge / reconciliation / repentance / sanctuary is the remedy of feuds, which the Afghans extol as the acme of their civil code. The word literally means "going in" or entering into someone's house or Hujra. When the enemies are distant, the feud often lasts for generations ; but when they are neighbors it becomes an intolerable nuisance. This is to let both parties fight till the same number are killed on each side, then their neighbours step in and effect a reconciliation called " Nanawati or Nannawatt. The party who first draws blood is looked on as the aggressor, whatever may have been his provocation ; he pays the expense of a feast and gives some sheep and cloth as an atonement to the others. But in case this beau ideal of equal justice cannot be procured by one party having more killed than the others, the price of the reconciliation is much higher, but it never exceeds a feast and a few virgins. These girls are not given as concubines (which the country Afghans seldom or never have), but are married and well treated. The expense of marriage being so heavy, to get so many of their young men well married without expense is a great object, and a real money compensation. The other party do not like it however, as to give Afghan virgins without getting presents is thought to show want of spirit.

Teega / truce declared by Jirga to avoid bloodshed among two or more tribal factions. This is a sort of truce which is enforced upon the combating parties for a specified period in order to dissociate them from fighting between them, holding in abeyance their mutual jealousies and to avoid a bigger combat between them. 'Teega' literally means a stone which is fixed at a certain place across which both the combating parties make pledges to have no concern with life or property of the opposite party until the time a permanent settlement is carved out. Teega, in other words, is a temporary truce in a feud arranged by a tribal jirga or the jirga arranged by the goverment which is symbolized by the setting out of a Teega.

Mashar / elderly, leader, actually this word comes from moshe-Moses the spiritual leader. The respect for elders is easily accounted for. Among civilised people, young men have the advantages the experience of ages has given in books; and better still, they are early obliged to act for themselves and form their own character. Before the body fails with age, they acquire perhaps all they will ever learn. The young Afghans, on the contrary, are as ignorant as beasts, they know nothing but their genealogies and the confession of faith. Without any means of education but their individual experience, they for many years plough the earth, and then commit the crimes and excesses I have described. By degrees their wild independent life makes them rely on their own judgment, and gives them an acquaintance with human nature, at least in its Afghan form. As they get old they are constantly employed about reconciling feuds or arranging marriages, in which they have to reason with some, flatter others, and browbeat a third ; their fine climate and temperate habits preserve their faculties for a long time. They are much superior to the young or middle-aged men, and are respected accordingly. In all half-barbarous countries the same respect for the old men is observed. Sparta, which was about the Afghan standard, preserved the feeling much longer than Athens, where education, assemblies, and debates made the mind bo quicker formed.

Melmastia / melmasthia / melmastiya - hospitality is another major dimension of pakhtunwali. The commensalism of Melmasthia is a means of showing respect, friendship, and alliance. A complex etiquette surrounds the serving of guests, in which the host or his sons, when serving, refuse to sit with those they entertain as a mark of courtesy. Closely related to melmastia is the requirement of giving refuge to anyone, even one's enemy, for as long as the person is within the precincts of one's home. These codes, too, are related to the concept of honor, for the host gains honor by serving his guest, and the person who places himself under another's protection is weak, a supplicant. Refuge must extend to the point of being willing to sacrifice one's own life to defend one's guest, but a person who demeans himself so much as to plead for mercy should be spared. Among the Waziris a little child was said to be sufficient escort through the lands of the tribe, and they were said to protect men who have killed their brothers, if they come as guests. The method of insuring safety was to sit by a man's fireside and neither eat nor drink till he promises to convey you safely to any place you wish to reach; by the Afghan custom he must comply, and either go himself or send a near relation to prevent danger. If this ceremony be neglected, food and a pipe will be freely given, but it will depend on the character of the host whether he does not rob and murder his guest the moment he leaves the threshold. When they wish to rob a stranger, they either try to civilly hinder his entering the house, or make him eat before he asks for protection. The Achikzais were said to consider themselves as relieved from all obligation to hospitality when a guest had eaten his full, and to have a right to rob him or murder him when they please.

Panah is to take someone in personal protection. Even if a notorious criminal or an outlaw asked for panah he will definitely be granted asylum and duly protected. It has happened many a times that a murderer after committing murder asked for panahfrom the family of the victim and they have him panah. During panah he enjoys equal rights and status but when he leaves thier house, he can be killed in revenge and his family cannot claim for any penalty of reward under the custom of badal (revenge).

Following the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, there were about 600,000 Afghan refugees in Pakistan by the summer 1980; 500,000 (largely Pushtuns) in the Northwest Frontier Province and another 100,000 in Baluchistan. By late 1980 the number was closer to one million. Observers credit the relatively minimal tension that initially existed between Pakistani Pakhtuns and the large number of Pakhtun refugees from Afghanistan to the deeply felt obligation of Pakhtuns to obey the customary dictates of hospitality. However, Pakistani Pakhtuns' frustration with the refugees escalated after the Soviet army withdrew from Afghanistan in 1989. Many Pakistani Pakhtuns were upset that the internecine violence resulting from warring clans in conflict in Afghanistan was overflowing into Pakistan.

One major fault line running through Pashtun society has been termed by Akbar Ahmed the divide between nang and qalang cultures: nang referring to the honor code of the hillmen, and qalang referring to the superior, irrigated farmlands of the valley historically susceptible to taxation. This divide is the source of the Pashtun proverb that “honor ate up the mountains, and taxes ate up the plains.”

[کیش]

I suggest everyone to read "the dead sea scrolls"

[graveyardofempires]

Lets look at some facts that I have already gathered from talking to pashtun people here on this blog

One person admitted he was circumcised on the 8th day not in accordance with Muslim practice.

Another admitted that pashtun leave their sideburns long, like we Jews, he said it can at times be seen on children.

Pashtun wear four cornered garments with fringes attached to the corners, like we do, also from what I know not a standard Muslim way.

Another mentioned that lighting candles on Friday evening is a known practice, this is also jewish and not Muslim. So if you are Muslim, why you doing all these things that we do.

So already we are seeing what appears to be a puzzle coming together. We do the above because we "Jews" have always done so for thousands of years, maybe you have also?

did you just call us Jews cuz we find that offensive.
we are not jews ,so thats a whole different discussion.
we do believe in Moses,sulaiman,harun as prophets and we do believe that Torah also came from Allah but the only difference is we believe Torah is corrupted.so since we consider that Moses,jesus,soloman,aron,abraham(pbut)were also muslims than to us its about the theory of bani israel not being jew.

[graveyardofempires]

In addition from what I understand you do not have marital relations during a womens menstruation cycle and afterwards she must immerse in live water like a river (we Jews have this as well,its commanded in the Torah)

You also from what I understand like us, get married with a ring under a canopy under the open night sky , this is also a distinctive jewish way and not muslim.

what?

[graveyardofempires]

lol forget Pelastain...have u seen arabs? what you say is part of arab propaganda to use us pashtons...so they can come and hide behind our children and fight their war...destroy our homes while keeping their country intact. Have you seen how these Arabs treat those poor Pakistani, Indian and others in Gulf States? I have never meet a single arab in my whole life that I remotely could like…forget these fairytales.

im not here talking about criminal arabs or any party
we were here discussing something about history etc but than all up sudden now its political.