Pashtun with a Israelite past?

[Yos from tribe of Judea]

^ He is I believe.

I heard every ultra-orthodox Jew on the other hand is raised from childhood to oppose Zionism... it's not just the group called "naturei karta". They are all strictly opposed and it is a matter of adhering to the principles of Judaism.

Although I respect Neturei Karata, I disagree with them, after all I must love them for they are still my brothers. You should know i have a relationship with them, I have eaten by them for meals honoring shabbat.

I had a long respectful debate with a leader of Neturei karata.
You can read it here if you have time

https://docs.google.com/View?docID=0AUWaHptZug4VZGY3bWpyaF82MWZzbXJzY2No&revision=_latest

[graveyardofempires]

orthodox jews
YouTube - The most harmful place for Jews is in Israel

[Mayana]

Moderator Note: Thread moved to the appropriate section.

[Yos from tribe of Judea]

The debate of if we the Jewish/Israelites can be sovereign in our land before the Messiah, is a very long running debate amongst Jewish scholars across the ages. Again I personally am against a SECULAR GOVERNMENT of Jews that denies God and the Holy Torah, but I am in favor of true Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel before the Messiah comes. My position is not a new modern position, but one that has been passed down in the tradition throughout the ages. I am not saying that the neturei karta position is not legit, however this is an ancient debate that is now highlighted because the ramifications are real.

You should know that if the Messiah would come tomorrow the Neturei Karata would be the first to wage war to liberate the land against enemy palestinians ( i am not saying all Palestinians are enemy, but there are many who are. So we are just arguing about the time frame.

[کیش]

I am not a zionist, because to live in and defend the land of our forefathers is a holy command in the Torah of Moses. If I keep Shabbat as is written would people call me a "shabbatian", no! I try to live my life according to the word of God and in the ways of our forefathers. The land of Israel is part of that commitment, does not mean we can persecute other people, but on the other hand if people rise up to kill us we have a holy command to defend ourselves and our land. Zionsim took one torah concept and made a religion out of it, there is a entire national way of life (that includes respect for others who peacefully live in the land) and we must live according to that holy code, "Zionism" does not want that.

I am Bani Israel who hails from the tribe of either Juda or Benjamine (all "Jews" today accept from those who come from the tribe of Levi are from one of the two, the 2 became mixed up) and to keep a full Torah life includes the land of Israel.

You sound like a member of al-Qaeda. The Israeli government is just like a terrorist government, who gets supported by U.S and U.K. This government doesn't abide by UN, and does whatever they want to. They kill thousands of civilians and use self-defense as an excuse. The UN tells them that their settlement is illegal, and they just shrug it off

The Israeli do not care about Palestinians, they are used, how targets are used in a shooting range. I love the old testament and the biblical prophets, the Hebrews ignored them back then, and still are today.

Am sure the biblical prophets are real disappointed by what terrorists do in the name of Hebrew and Israel.

[graveyardofempires]

The debate of if we the Jewish/Israelites can be sovereign in our land before the Messiah, is a very long running debate amongst Jewish scholars across the ages. Again I personally am against a SECULAR GOVERNMENT of Jews that denies God and the Holy Torah, but I am in favor of true Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel before the Messiah comes. My position is not a new modern position, but one that has been passed down in the tradition throughout the ages. I am not saying that the neturei karta position is not legit, however this is an ancient debate that is now highlighted because the ramifications are real.

You should know that if the Messiah would come tomorrow the Neturei Karata would be the first to wage war to liberate the land against enemy palestinians ( i am not saying all Palestinians are enemy, but there are many who are. So we are just arguing about the time frame.

what are you talking about
we pashtuns are ont he side of palestinians so stop this bias.
the discussion going on among you for centuries is not of great importance to us since we are not jewish.
btw there is an islamic prophecy which also talks about pashtuns going to israel and it wont be to stand along you doing crime against palestinians.
do you know that many taliban are from the tribe of Eshaqzai(son of Isaac)

this thread was about something else now it has turned into defending zionism.

[Yos from tribe of Judea]

You sound like a member of al-Qaeda. The Israeli government is just like a terrorist government, who gets supported by U.S and U.K. This government doesn't abide by UN, and does whatever they want to. They kill thousands of civilians and use self-defense as an excuse. The UN tells them that their settlement is illegal, and they just shrug it off

The Israeli do not care about Palestinians, they are used, how targets are used in a shooting range. I love the old testament and the biblical prophets, the Hebrews ignored them back then, and still are today.

Am sure the biblical prophets are real disappointed by what terrorists do in the name of Hebrew and Israel.

How do I sound like Al Qaeda? I am saying that anyone who wants to peacefully live in the land should be allowed to do so, and the Nation of Israel, must follow in the way of the Torah. Everything should be done through ways of peace and not coercion. However should a group of people rise up and try to kill us and take away our land which God commanded us to live in, then we will fight them.

[Pakhtunzai]

Where are my manners! Welcome to the forums.

I've looked into the genetics, mine are specifically a part of haplogroup J2 and it turns out some jews have this too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J2_(Y-DNA)

I fully respect the real jews and none of these zions which are pushing their evil agenda through.

[Yos from tribe of Judea]

what are you talking about
we pashtuns are ont he side of palestinians so stop this bias.
the discussion going on among you for centuries is not of great importance to us since we are not jewish.
btw there is an islamic prophecy which also talks about pashtuns going to israel and it wont be to stand along you doing crime against palestinians.
do you know that many taliban are from the tribe of Eshaqzai(son of Isaac)

this thread was about something else now it has turned into defending zionism.

I did not bring this up, someone else made a comment, I responded and it rolled into this, but yes I would like to go back to the original discussion.

[Pakhtunzai]

It doesn't make sense, the palestinians originally lived their all their lives and then all of a sudden some jews randomly decide that its their land and start bulldozing all over the natives. Then suddenly claim it to be their "holy" land.

[کیش]

How do I sound like Al Qaeda? I am saying that anyone who wants to peacefully live in the land should be allowed to do so, and the Nation of Israel, must follow in the way of the Torah. Everything should be done through ways of peace and not coercion. However should a group of people rise up and try to kill us and take away our land which God commanded us to live in, then we will fight them.

The "group" of people are not just randomly trying to kill you. You are randomly coming to a land, where people who were Hebrews lived thousands of years ago. You are going to a land and stealing it, forcing them into damped and downtrodden refugee camps. Like a terrorist you are justifying killing them in the name of god. You are doing the same thing hitler did but in a different way.

The Israeli government does not treat them like they do to "Jews". The Zionist government is not going their peacefully either, they are doing this all process like a band of scavengers.

[کیش]

It doesn't make sense, the palestinians originally lived their all their lives and then all of a sudden some jews randomly decide that its their land and start bulldozing all over the natives. Then suddenly claim it to be their "holy" land.

That's what am saying, it doesn't make seems at all. They are killing them, yet calling them terrorist, and violent if they do not voluntarily kill themselves.

The Asheknazi could have done this process a lot better.

[کیش]

I did not bring this up, someone else made a comment, I responded and it rolled into this, but yes I would like to go back to the original discussion.

I would like to go back to original topic too. We Pashtuns are Muslim people. If we return to Judea, will we be thrown into slums like the Muslim Palestinians?

[Pakhtunzai]

In fact the most hypocrital thing is, even if we are bani isreal, are they going to come and defend us? Save Afghanistan from all this bombing and genocide? When they are the ones responsible for it all. Then they claim to be our brothers.

[Dreamer]

sorry we are a central inranic people... there is nothing semetic about us... this rumour was created in mughal times to show pashtuns as immigrants and therefore with no right to have their own country and be free of the mughal yoke.... its only gained popularity because some pashtuns like to link themselves to Quranic/Biblical characters.... we are more closely related to Kurds than arabs or jews