Pashtuns marrying non Pashtuns

[Orzala]

I have problems with skin worshippers like you...

Not all of Pashtuns are fair, Pashtuns are hybrid....

you can find some dark pashtuns LOL

If you've read my other posts, you would know that I couldn't care less about skin colour. I've mentioned before that you can find all kinds of Pashtuns, so I suggest you don't jump to conclusions next time. My problem with Punjabis is not their skin colour but who they are and their parasite-like behaviour towards Pashtuns.

Well said.

Thank you.

[The Shadow]

i know lots of Pashtunes(male/famale)that are married to non pashtues in afghanistan and outside..my cousine married a non-pashtune girl in New york and he got 2 children too.so whats the problem? we all r muslims...so if u r muslim so u musnt say it.

[Master Khan]

I hate Mixed marriges, but I can nothing about it.
I only pray that my family don't do mix marriage because its killing our culture and language.

[unknownprince]

I think its more to do with Economics. If a Pashtun girl is very pretty and decent but the family is poor, they may marry her to a Punjabi/Tajik family for economic purposes.

Our society back home has turned very status wise, meaning if your daughter marries the son of such and such, they would get in return financial help etc.

This was unheard of before the 40's but its rapidly increasing.

Personally, we can not dictate to others who they should or not marry, but as a statistic or as a whole, we must work to prevent it as our nation and race is very much weak and dependent on others.

Kind Regards

I have rarely heard of Pashtun girls marrying out. WHere have you heard this from??

Usually, it is the other way around- pashtun men marrying out, but pashtun women marrying out is a whole different matter.

I heard of a pashtun girl in California who married an Indian. Her father was very upset about this, and it damaged his health a lot. -- ANd that was a rare story to hear.

[unknownprince]

The concern here has nothing to do with racism, but the survival of the Pashtun language and culture. The same goes for Muslims marrying non-Muslims.

Just making sure everyone knows that.

[The Shadow]

yup i got your drift....and they r just ur opinion..and i told u my idea and opinion,but newly lots of of them(tajik&pashtune)ignore this custom.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Its interesting M16, you are caught in a chinese finger trap of the mind per your statement: "Dude if your a Nationalist, you would not support any inter-marriages and you would certainly not ignore the problems that Pashtuns suffer including the dominance of Dari due to the sell out Afghan kings and Rulers."

What does this indicate in regard to your support of that ever famous Bangash, Farhat Taj ANDERSEN? It appears you have quiet a bit of love of her work and attest to her loyalty frequently. Sorry buddy, you're caught.

[unknownprince]

Its interesting M16, you are caught in a chinese finger trap of the mind per your statement: "Dude if your a Nationalist, you would not support any inter-marriages and you would certainly not ignore the problems that Pashtuns suffer including the dominance of Dari due to the sell out Afghan kings and Rulers."

What does this indicate in regard to your support of that ever famous Bangash, Farhat Taj ANDERSEN? It appears you have quiet a bit of love of her work and attest to her loyalty frequently. Sorry buddy, you're caught.

who is farhat taj andersen?? COuld someone tell me?? I tried looking up stuff on her on google, but found nothing.

From the middle name, i would say she is sikh???

[Khidr]

Reading some of the posts here, one doesn’t know whether to laugh it off or actually be worried that such mentality exists amongst humans. Some of you would have to be the most bitter, insecure and racist people one can come across.

It’s awfully tempting on my part to assume that your views are (at the very least) reflective of a significant portion of the Pashtuns. However, there is a great discrepancy between the mindset of the Pashtuns that I see here on this board (and the internet) and the mindset of the many Pashtuns whom I know in real life.

If anything, you guys have given me access to a very ‘different’ but ‘real' side of the Pashtun character and psychology. If you guys are representative of even 1% of Pashtuns, then perhaps separation of Afghanistan into two isn’t such a bad idea.

[unknownprince]

Khidr

MI6 is a proud racist, I think he even admits this.

I am not. I am a pan-Islamic individual.

My concern here is to ensure that Pashtun identity is kept strong, just as you would like to see the Tajik identity kept strong.

I am Muslims first. I wish it was just Muslim to tell you the truth!!!

[Khidr]

Well, I couldn't care less if you go ahead and join your brethren in Tajikistan.

Don't get all emotional, you can not judge my views over other members here. Other Members here are quite defensive of their Tajik friends and most of the times they choose you over their own so do feel obliged.

Anyway, Personally, I will always keep a grudge against Tajiks of Afghanistan and these Persianized Pashtuns in power, also those Punjabi brainwashed Talibs.

How can one forgive the deceitful Tajiks(ahmad Shah Masood Followers) for running to Bhutto to stop Pashtuns becoming United?

You get my drift.

Do not worry, Once Pakistan is diminished, we will set our sights on total Pashtun Unification and that includes converting those Persianized ones back to their real roots.

Waziri,

LOL This may come as a shock to you, but believe me when I say this to you, I don't take you seriously. In fact I find you quite hilarious, also I don't have any "expectations" from you.

My post was concerned with Orzala and the other Pashtuns (whom I assume are Afghans?) on this board. The people from Jalalabad and Kandahar and Laghman and Logar, from those regions which I know many people from in my real life, and whom I thought I knew..

By the way goodluck with your whole re-conversion and unification and world domination and cyber hit squad n what not. lol

[Khidr]

Khidr

MI6 is a proud racist, I think he even admits this.

I am not. I am a pan-Islamic individual.

My concern here is to ensure that Pashtun identity is kept strong, just as you would like to see the Tajik identity kept strong.

I am Muslims first. I wish it was just Muslim to tell you the truth!!!

I have had ample dealings with people who are excessively proud of their culture, Tajik and Pashtun. That's not an alien concept for me. In fact I too, to this day stuggle with the reconcillation of ethnic/cultural pride with my Islamiic beliefs of equal brotherhood.

There is a line between ethnic pride/cultural persevation and bitterness, insecurity and hatred.

In this board, sorry to generalize but I see that Pashtun Pride is more often defined by bitterness, insecurity and general hatred of other peoples*

* There are NOTABLE exceptions ofcourse.

[Sitaara]

whats your view on this guys? is it right? or will this just water down our culture?

It is not wrong either, but we pashtuns dont like it. If for example my sister or brother marry an outside like indian or urdu-speaking pakistani, i will not like it but then i will get used to it. Each person has its own choice so whatever makes them happy.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

It really puts you on edge when people speak out on your ISI proxies Taliban. BarakzaiAbdali, how much is col imam paying you? I am caught for what? You hate Farhat Taj because she puts people such as you in shame.

Dude, I am not concerned at all, what I am concerned about is ISI stooges such as yourself justifying Taliban and comparing them with Pashtuns, the same Proxies who not only open the doors to Punjabi/Kashmiri Militants for shelter when America threatened to place Pakistan as a Terrorist state, the same proxies who not only worked for Pakistanis interests but played a huge role as a deterent against Pashtun Unity.

You then come up all this mumbo jumbo about Pashtun unity, dude I have been to Wona(Wana) and I have been to Shumali Waziristan, I even got to meet some of Mullah Nazeers men at the Mullah Noors Madrassah, they told me quite clearly that they are PAKISTANI's and their War is not for any Pashtun Unity, I never met a single Talib even your own Afghan ones who spoke of Pashtun unity or spoke of a state called loy Afghanistan or Pashtunistan, Not only this, your Father In Law's fellow tribesmen Nek Mohammad, praised and hugged a 11th core commander of Pakistan Army who was a Punjabay in i think Shakai, did you see the video of Nek Mohammad, the so called founder of TTP? do you know what he said, he said the tribesmen and taliban and the Mujahideen are Pakistans Atomic Bomb, and if anybody harms Pakistan they will die fighting to save Pakistan.

Dude your game is over,I am tired of imposters. The biggest mistake I ever made was not photographing Taliban and Pakistan army playing cricket in Rasmack, I knew if I was caught I would have been executed.


I have seen a lot of things in life but your insults at Farhat Taj are very much weak.

You know what makes me even more amazed,is that the same Uzbeks your Brave Afghan "Taliban" brought over to Waziristan to make profit and money, turned their guns on your civilians, and what happened to the Islamic Jihad? what about the Muslim brotherhood? why did they kill Noor Mohammad Wazir?

Its all a mess but do not paint the picture wrongly.

1. What the hesitation to use her full name? Note that the quote was verbatim all yours regarding your view of folks that marry outside and where their loyalties lie. I am simply pointing out that (YOU) M16 is answering M16 regarding Farhat Taj ANDERSEN.

2. Note in my prior posts, I have never said that the Taliban are optimal. I merely said that in the options of ANP vs Taliban vs Karzai vs Zardari vs US occupation, they appear to be the best of these options. ANP has dual loyalties and are 5th column citizens with support from Russia/India, Zardari, as the wikileaks has shown is an American proxy. Karzai is merely a modern shah shuja. US occupation is exactly just that, western occupation.

3. I think that issue is that you oversimplify things. Your view will have to contend with the biography of Abdul Salam Zaeef and its deep seated criticisms of Pakistan (recall his quote about how Pakistan could produce milk from a Bull etc). I won't requote here, but if you read my past posts you will clearly see that Winston Churchill referred to the Talib ul Ilms (or taliban) of his day in quotes. Other authors referred to how Pashtoons galvanize under the banner of religion when threatened by outside invaders. I believe you are hard pressed to show that the whole Taliban shura, much less the foot soldiers down to a man, are all lock stock and barrell in line with the ISI/Pakistan. The work of Zaeef shows this for the shura itself. Rather, I believe that it is a complex movement with some nationalists who oppose occupation, some folks with a score to settle because they are generally pissed off about some US or NATO soldier slapping around their grandpa or sister or something, some religious zealots, and some folks being paid by the various backer powers (Saudi/Pakistan) because their views align.

4. I generally do not disagree with your vantage point that Pashtoons are susceptible to being used and abused in the wars of others and rarely look out for their self interest. It also appears that you are wrong in regard to the Afghans not yearing for a Pashtunistan per the poll results:
" The poll also showed majority support in Southern Afghanistan for secession and the creation of an independent Pashtunistan (potentially including some of Pakistan’s tribal regions)."

http://news.antiwar.com/2010/11/19/s...-nato-invaded/

5. You have yet to contend with the ground level reality: Your goal of an independent Pashtunistan stands no chance if the NATO Afghan occupation proves a success. If that occurs, and if Pakistan dissolves, there is little likelihood that the former NWFP would joint Afghanistan in open arms. There would be ethnic cleansing of Pashtoons by Pashtoons because the latter and former are both ignorant of their binding history. If by some miracle the FATA/NWFP joined Afghanistan... it would join an Afghanistan dominated by Karzai, who in turn is a figurehead covering up a government for and by Dostum/Fahim. Moreover, Senator Lindsey Graham has openly stated that he wants PERMANENT bases dotting the Afghan country side should stability grow. My friend, he does not want them in Kabul or in Mazar e sharif or in Herat... he wants them throughout the whole country. Next, should Pakistan remains stable and should the NATO occupation be a success your goal would be three lifetimes away and brother shall remain divided from brother by a borderline of US bases.

6. So now brother, tell me, who fights against Lindsey Graham's permanent bases? It surely isn't you (sitting in London) or me (sitting in the US) or Mehmud Achakzai or Farhat Taj ANDERSEN... its that nameless poor boy who saw his house raided, his dad slapped, his crops burned, who decided to swell the ranks of the only show in town that appears to promote a martial antagonism to western occupation. Its men like Dawran (today's CNN video by Refsdal) who were simple land owning Afghans that do not apppear to be wahabis, but found arms, organization, or strategy within the Taliban insurgency.

7. If in the worse case scenario, you state that the Arabs bought it down on us Afghans, you still do not resolve the dilemma in 6. Who takes care of getting rid of Lindsey Graham's bases as he has stated this is the goal of the US Arms/Security wing of the Senate.

8. I await your discussion of how you resolve these condundrums. You need to detail out how history unfolds in your version of ideal events based on the GROUND LEVEL REALITIES.

[Toramana]

Barakzai Saib, please don't quote redundant, irrelevant articles as your sources..... That doesn't make your argument strong...

Moreover, I have recognized you...that one's that fought others war at the height of the Cold War confrontation as Mujahids and stayed as guests of ISI and CIA but now are living desolute lives rendered useless and entityless by the arrow of time suffering from identity crisis and seeing the chances of re-vitalization in Al-Qaueda truimph...such people are out of phase with time and will never have their dreams realised no matter how much indecency do they throw on Farhat Taj.

I know how violently did you respond when Farhat Taj and AIRA published their survey...You have gotten old and now should take some rest.