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  • #16
    Originally posted by Jasmine
    What is wrong with cultural hubs?

    Nothing. As long as they are "cultural centres". Unfortunately Nishtar Hall is not a cultural centre.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by شمله ور خراساني View Post
      are you saying that the companions of the prophet saww were also hypocrites for running to a kafir land in Abyssinia?

      Again, you said you were educated. What did you study? I see common sense is not any part of the curriculum you took.
      they did not run from a musalman gulistan, come back we need you in 'akorra khatak' seminary chi mullah saab who trained most of your taliban leadership and loves cuties like you will love to have you in his fold.

      as they say,

      aala ba khabar shi , chi thaloo jabbi la war shi. LOL

      In holland, probably visiting brothels (to convert them offcourse as did the sahabis to abyssina) and then repenting in wahabi brain washing materil. You will go way far, keep at it.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Baygham View Post
        they did not run from a musalman gulistan, come back we need you in 'akorra khatak' seminary chi mullah saab who trained most of your taliban leadership and loves cuties like you will love to have you in his fold.

        as they say,

        aala ba khabar shi , chi thaloo jabbi la war shi. LOL

        In holland, probably visiting brothels (to convert them offcourse as did the sahabis to abyssina) and then repenting in wahabi brain washing materil. You will go way far, keep at it.

        when I come back I will probably go to Kunar or Mardan. To attend the ahlul hadeeth madrassha of quran inshaa allah.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Aseer Jaan
          Sangar what is Nishtar hall?
          its a large theatre for public events and concerts. But there are allot of luchak people hanging around there. And when there are concerts there they climb on stage to attract the attention of female audience by doing their silly dances being all drunk and intoxicated by hashish.
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          • #20
            Evidence, aha !

            Well even Shehbaz Khan agreed it was on the lurid side.

            So it probably is disreputable.

            Who needs "centers" like that?

            Modern art is dark anyway. No one needs that. It leads to worse and worse attacks on all normal standards of behavior. Witness the terrible example of "modern art" in America.
            A devilish nightmare aimed to shock and degrade viewers.

            I'm sure this place is nowhere near THAT bad. But, it's wise to avoid the whole genre of useless performances, art shows, etc. if one really wants to use their time on earth to the best benefit. Think about it, secularists!

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            • #21
              It is sorry to know that most of you have no clue of what this magnificent center has been used for and are basing your speculation on the exagerated views of a wahabi abnormal extremist. His imbalanced and somewhat abnormal thinking has taught him to put a label on everything and he has not learnt anything from his so called study of social sciences abroad. How sad is it to know that in a country where literacy rate in less than 35, an Afghan gets an opportunity to learn modern sciences and he intends to come back to his country to join some madrasaa which offers some obsolete and un productive courses.

              Nishtar Hall currently is mostly being used for political get togethers and due to its high rates only political parties or NGO's are conducting their seminars , meetings,exhibitions there. If any one of you have ever seen it, s/he should know that gone are the days when it was being used for cultural shows of Mirawas , theatrical shows related to Pakhtun culture and its issues and Pashto folk music. We do not have that luxury any more due to 5 years long MMA regime.

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              • #22
                I ask secularists, how does Pashtunwali and secularism go together? (they don't care about Islam, so I ask this)

                their answer is it doesn't

                It does not go together.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by muhsina View Post
                  It is sorry to know that most of you have no clue of what this magnificent center has been used for and are basing your speculation on the exagerated views of a wahabi abnormal extremist. His imbalanced and somewhat abnormal thinking has taught him to put a label on everything and he has not learnt anything from his so called study of social sciences abroad. How sad is it to know that in a country where literacy rate in less than 35, an Afghan gets an opportunity to learn modern sciences and he intends to come back to his country to join some madrasaa which offers some obsolete and un productive courses.

                  Nishtar Hall currently is mostly being used for political get togethers and due to its high rates only political parties or NGO's are conducting their seminars , meetings,exhibitions there. If any one of you have ever seen it, s/he should know that gone are the days when it was being used for cultural shows of Mirawas , theatrical shows related to Pakhtun culture and its issues and Pashto folk music. We do not have that luxury any more due to 5 years long MMA regime.

                  do you want me to post videos of nisthar hall events where drunk and intoxicated proud secular pashtun nationalists jump on stage to show their stupid dance moves to the proud secular pashtun nationalist women sitting in front row without hijab?

                  Oh and thank you. I did not know studying quran is obsolete.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by شمله ور خراساني View Post
                    its a large theatre for public events and concerts. But there are allot of luchak people hanging around there. And when there are concerts there they climb on stage to attract the attention of female audience by doing their silly dances being all drunk and intoxicated by hashish.
                    Sangar mullah! I have the same views for your deeni madrassas running in Pakistan where there are a lot of ghat kheetee mullahs hanging around and are involved in child sex....There were 2000 cases of alleged child sex abuse in these so called madrassas during the year 2003...These mullahs brainwash little kids and prepare them for suicide attacks.....

                    "A Pakistani minister has revealed hundreds of cases of alleged child sex abuse at Islamic schools, or madrassas.

                    There were 500 complaints this year of abuse allegedly committed by clerics, Aamer Liaquat Hussain, a minister in the religious affairs department, said.

                    That compares with 2,000 last year, but as yet there have been no successful prosecutions, Mr Hussain told the BBC.

                    The minister's revelations have sparked death threats and infuriated some religious political leaders.

                    Mr Hussain said he had received death threats from clerics, but that he had done his job and his conscience was clear."

                    I think Nishtar hall is a better place than the so called Madrassas...It is better to dance than to be a suicide bomber.
                    Na soz sho na saaz sho,
                    Bas hasy jwand tamam sho

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                    • #25
                      @ Sangar

                      You may post the video however exceptions prove the rule. Individual events or indecent acts do not prove that an institution should be banned. Most madrasas are used for child abuse, even mosques and even outside haram kaaba you have all types of businesses going on but based on these individual events I am sure you will not ban your pilgrimage. Will you? Almost every institution in human history has been exploited and misused but it does not prove that the institution should be abolished.

                      There is nothing wrong in studying Quran or any other book whether it is revered or not however I am sure that in Mardan ,Swabi ,Charsadda or Badhber when you will listen to Mullah Abdus Salam or his likes you will not learn anything useful except wasting your time. Instead of teaching these poor talibs something about Modern state, Govt, Constitution, International Relations, Public Admin , Research methodology etc so their concept about life and universe ,civil society and human rights etc get a new dimension you are deperate to waste your time which could otherwise be invested in the future of your own people.

                      You can read their obsolete explanations related to medieval ages in the form of some audio or video at home instead of wasting your time. I had a written conversation with one such "alim" and asked him questions like what are the socio-politico-economic interpretations of Tawheed in the contemporary age and what means of capital creation do you suggest in light of "quran and sunnah" for a third world economy like Af-Pak and about other issues of our age and they did not even understand the questions and started talking about Fatawa Alamgiri etc compiled during Mughal regime of Aurangzeb Alamgir - the idiot who instead of welcoming the revolution of the Press was probably engrossed in compiling fatwas based on theoretical scenarios but was ever ready to send forces to fight Pashtuns so that his empire could be strengthened.
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                      • #26
                        ځه به يي د خراسان د پاره دومره اووايم په بخنه د ډاکټر اسرار صاحب نه

                        خپله دوئ ګرځي په ډالرو په سے
                        مونږ په کالدارو مسلمان جوړوي

                        لګه موقع چه شي ميلاو مولا ته
                        وروستو مذهب وړومبيه ځان جوړوي

                        مونږ نه نفرت يي ددنيا پيدا کړو
                        خپله يورپ کښ خپل مکان جؤړوي

                        وائ د جنت ټهيکداران مونږه يو
                        مونږ له دوزخ کښ لوئ زندان جوړوي




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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Swat
                          Sangar if you do not want people to say Mosques teach Child sex I suggest you to not to make up the same rumor. Read YP post carefully.

                          so what you are saying is that nishtar hall is a holy place for the secularists. And therefore we should not discuss the evil that happens there otherwise the secularists might say nasty stuff and produce lies about houses of allah ( masajid) and madaris, places where quran is recited?

                          The truth is, the people who act so angry and frustrated when I talk about the evils in places like nishtar hall are unhappy to see the true face of their evil ideology being exposed.

                          This is why infidels and stooges of the infidels say nasty stuff in return about masajid and madaris.

                          They rather have us stay silent about Nishtar Hall where proud Pashtun nationalists sexually harass the proud pashtun nationalist women who go there without hijab wearint tight punjabis and open collars clapping hands to electronic immitations of Pashtun folk music sang by pimps and prostitutes.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Yousafzai Pakhtun View Post
                            Sangar mullah! I have the same views for your deeni madrassas running in Pakistan where there are a lot of ghat kheetee mullahs hanging around and are involved in child sex....There were 2000 cases of alleged child sex abuse in these so called madrassas during the year 2003...These mullahs brainwash little kids and prepare them for suicide attacks.....

                            "A Pakistani minister has revealed hundreds of cases of alleged child sex abuse at Islamic schools, or madrassas.

                            There were 500 complaints this year of abuse allegedly committed by clerics, Aamer Liaquat Hussain, a minister in the religious affairs department, said.

                            That compares with 2,000 last year, but as yet there have been no successful prosecutions, Mr Hussain told the BBC.

                            The minister's revelations have sparked death threats and infuriated some religious political leaders.

                            Mr Hussain said he had received death threats from clerics, but that he had done his job and his conscience was clear."

                            I think Nishtar hall is a better place than the so called Madrassas...It is better to dance than to be a suicide bomber.

                            who is the bacha berish in your signature?
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                            • #29
                              Even moderate Pashtuns will not accept dirty dancing and shaking of the body here and there. If anyone participates in this dirty shakefest (lol) I can surely say they are not Pashtun, and have lost their way, and can not get back on track because it is too late.

                              So they are stuck in the dirty dance hall for the rest of their life looking equally for a dirty dance partner to spend the rest of their disgusting life with (outcasted by everyone)

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                              • #30
                                I agree with sangar here. Child sex in madrassas is a separate issue, dont drag it into this topic.
                                Being seculars ANP-walas are indulged in these kind of kharafat.

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