All the Indians in the House - Please Discuss

[KhalsaWarrior]

I have no problem with the final verdict of the Babri Masjid case.....justice is done...we are talking about how people have takenit so well.... no cases of disharmony or riots anywhere... this has happened because we say people want peace, want to go ahead, dontwant dig the past,,,,i also had mentione something lik ethis.,..

but now i think what if the verdict would have been one sided??????? likeonly in favour of muslims (which of course wasnt possible at all) or only in favour of Hindus????????

and we do have archeological proof of the existence of Prophet Mohommad......and whther he was in Makka or Madina.....

Mulsims have never themselves said things like whether Hazrat Isa (Jesus)existed or not or prophet Mohommad was inMakka or not ( i am not talking about the muslims who turned into Atheist)......

when Ramayan was made on TV the 1st if u remember, which i use to watch with so much of interest as i loveto watch mythological programs...
mythological serial which means myth,,,,,,,andnot fact......this question is to clarify my doubt......

Mahabharta too i have seen,,,,,where Krishna takes the side of Kauravs who are suppose to villians......

also Draupadi who had 5 husbands that to all husbands were brothers.....when hinduism doesnt allow polygamy then how was this possible that too under time Lord Krishna....there would have been some reason for it.......can u please throw some light onthis??????? itsonly for my knowledge thats all....

Sure. Let me research a bit deeper into it and I will get back to you.

[drona]

Drona,
What is status of Muslims in local cities. Are they looked at as outsiders? a long reply will help add to my knowledge. In Swat, I was taught they are
1. discriminated and
2. hated.

Swat,
The questions that you have asked are simple but have very complex answers. I will try to answer them to the best of my knowledge and abilities. 99.9% of Hindus don't hate Muslims. But a significant minority of Hindus do dislike some practices of Muslims. For instance, a large number of Hindus are vegetarians and consider cows sacred. But Muslims eat them. These Hindus find such practices of cow slaughter and ritual sacrifice distasteful. Therefore there is some discrimination against Muslims. For instance, a Muslim will have difficulty renting a home in a Jain housing society, who even avoid the sight of meat, and cover their faces with cloth so as to avoid breathing in (and killing) tiny microbes. However, there is a lot more discrimination within Hindus themselves.

Within Muslim community, the minority sects like Shias, Ismailis, Ahmadis, etc. are a lot more prosperous and happier in India than other Muslim majority countries. Muslims can go pray at their mosques without any fear. A large number of Sunnis are backward largely because of they they have been uneducated since centuries. They prefer to follow the advice of their local Mullahs . They caste their vote for candidates on the basis of "Islamic" rather than development issues. They have large number of children and do not practice family planning as its considered unislamic. They do not participate in government vaccination schemes because the Mullahs tell them that it is a conspiracy to sterilize them. However I must also tell you that Muslims are not the most backward community in India. There are a lot more Hindus who are poorer and uneducated than the Muslims in India.

As I have written in this post http://www.pashtunforums.com/168142-post3.html the role of Pakistan can not be ignored for rising Islamophobia within a section of Hindus.

If you understand Urdu, you can watch this interview of Maulana Madni who is a scholar from Deoband seminary.

Front Line – 18th July 2010

Regards,
Drona

[drona]

Spogmai,
I was very young when these serials were aired, so I don't remember very well what was shown in them. But I have read brief translations of these epics, so I will answer your doubts according to my own understanding.

Mahabharta too i have seen,,,,,where Krishna takes the side of Kauravs who are suppose to villians......

Sister, Krishna was on the side of Pandavas ( the good guys). This is a brief descritption of what happened at the start of war between the Pandavas and Kauravas :

On the first day of the war Krishna drove the chariot between the two armies. Arjuna saw his grandfather, his teacher, his friends and relatives in the Kaurava army. And he thought, 'Should I kill all these just to gain the kingdom? He sank into his seat. He perspired, His famous bow, the Gandeeva, slipped from his hands. "No, Krishna, let us not fight," he said, "Bhishma is my grandfather. Drona is my revered Guru. Ashwatthama is my good friend. How can I kill them ? And what do I gain by killing them?"

Krishna said, "Arjuna, such words are not worthy of a hero like you. Your duty is to fight. Those who have joined the forces against justice and righteousness have to perish. The good must be protected. Attachment to friends and relatives should not come in the way of your duty."

also Draupadi who had 5 husbands that to all husbands were brothers.....when hinduism doesnt allow polygamy then how was this possible that too under time Lord Krishna....there would have been some reason for it.......can u please throw some light onthis???????

Unlike abrahamic faiths, Hinduism has no specific restrictions in it. The Hindu practices are dictated more by prevalent norms and traditions of society rather than scriptures. I am a beef eating agnostic from a low caste Hindu family, but I can still follow the Vedanta (Hindu)faith (if I want).

So to answer your question, there is no "right" way to follow Hinduism; but there is "accepted" way. Polyandry was never explicitly forbidden in Hindu scriptures. However, it became less prevalent due to influence of Islam and Christianity as well as social compulsions. Many disputes in a society can be avoided if a woman sticks to one man

when Ramayan was made on TV the 1st if u remember, which i use to watch with so much of interest as i loveto watch mythological programs...
mythological serial which means myth,,,,,,,andnot fact......this question is to clarify my doubt......

Mahabharta too i have seen,,,,,where Krishna takes the side of Kauravs who are suppose to villians......

In my opinion, all myths and legends have some truth in their heart. Fantastical elements are later added to make them popular amongst the masses. So I am sure there must have existed mighty king named Rama in history just like P. Muhammad (SAW) did.But I refuse to accept that L. Rama was an avatar of God or that P. Muhammad (SAW) was contacted by God. Similarly, I reject the likelihood of flying inflatable monkeys just like that of flying bird men like Gabriel.

Both Holy Qur'an and Bhagwad Geeta are wonderful texts with significant philosophical insights into the human nature. However, neither do I believe that B. Geeta was recited by Krishna to Arjuna when he stopped time during the battle nor that H. Qur'an is the word of God.

Having said all this, I do acknowledge that all these mythologies are "facts" for millions of believers, and I respect their right to do so. That I feel, is the ideal way to practice secularism in India.

However, the problem in our country is that the so called "intellectuals" and "historians" respect the beliefs of the minority but dismiss those of majority as myths. This creates frictions in the society, which the fundoos like VHP exploit.

Regards,
Drona.

[SinghIsKing]

Drona, what is the status of Pashtuns in India. And how does an average Hindu view an average Afghan when it comes to politics in specific or brotherhood.

There are not many pashtoons in India. Pashtoon population in India may be around 15000-20000 which is so miniscule that I have never seeen one except the famous khans of bollywood. You can say they are like parsis in India who due to small population can't show influence in politics. But any Hindu doesn't differentiate in muslims on the basis of caste or race (like, Moghul,Pashtoon,Syed, Shaikh). So there is not any independent view about pashtoons in an average Hindu's mind. Muslims themselves differentiate between them on the basis of Ashraf,Azlaf,Arzal like categories.

[spogmai shaglay]

Spogmai,
I was very young when these serials were aired, so I don't remember very well what was shown in them. But I have read brief translations of these epics, so I will answer your doubts according to my own understanding. i too was very young but i do remember, as u know we had no cable those days t was only DD...LOL..

Sister, Krishna was on the side of Pandavas ( the good guys). This is a brief descritption of what happened at the start of war between the Pandavas and Kauravas :

But during the great war of Mahabharata in Kurukshetra..if i am not wrong...Lord Krishna had taken the side of Kauravas in the end...



Unlike abrahamic faiths, Hinduism has no specific restrictions in it. The Hindu practices are dictated more by prevalent norms and traditions of society rather than scriptures. I am a beef eating agnostic from a low caste Hindu family, but I can still follow the Vedanta (Hindu)faith (if I want).

So to answer your question, there is no "right" way to follow Hinduism; but there is "accepted" way. Polyandry was never explicitly forbidden in Hindu scriptures. However, it became less prevalent due to influence of Islam and Christianity as well as social compulsions. Many disputes in a society can be avoided if a woman sticks to one man


In my opinion, all myths and legends have some truth in their heart. Fantastical elements are later added to make them popular amongst the masses. So I am sure there must have existed mighty king named Rama in history just like P. Muhammad (SAW) did.But I refuse to accept that L. Rama was an avatar of God or that P. Muhammad (SAW) was contacted by God. Similarly, I reject the likelihood of flying inflatable monkeys just like that of flying bird men like Gabriel. thats the diffferent Bro.. tht Lord Rama ahuman is called God... and it will be a sin for us to Call Prophet Muhommad (SAW) as Allah...(Nauzbillah).. he is the messenger of God....

Both Holy Qur'an and Bhagwad Geeta are wonderful texts with significant philosophical insights into the human nature. However, neither do I believe that B. Geeta was recited by Krishna to Arjuna when he stopped time during the battle nor that H. Qur'an is the word of God. I do believe that Holy Quran is the word of Allah...

Having said all this, I do acknowledge that all these mythologies are "facts" for millions of believers, and I respect their right to do so. That I feel, is the ideal way to practice secularism in India. i too dont have problem with people following whatever religion they want to....i do respect all religions.....its only Allah who knows the future...and a lot of things mentioned in the Quran have proven to be true and have taken place....and will take place....If u have read the Quran u will know....

However, the problem in our country is that the so called "intellectuals" and "historians" respect the beliefs of the minority but dismiss those of majority as myths. This creates frictions in the society, which the fundoos like VHP exploit. thts true...

Regards,
Drona.

spogmai...

[amna.]

Singh is King,
There are millions of Afghans/Pashtuns in India.

[SinghIsKing]

Singh is King,
There are millions of Afghans/Pashtuns in India.

No they are not in millions . they are not even in lacs. You are also including " diwani pathan " with "nasli pathan(pashtoon)". That's why you are saying that there are millions of Afghan in India.

[SinghIsKing]

spogmai...

(1) Krishan never took side of Kouravas.

(2) I respect your belief but I refuse to believe that God(Allah) send his message through an angel(Scientifically unproven/unidentified Identity ) to Muhammad because I don't believe in existence of God or Angel.

[spogmai shaglay]

(1) Krishan never took side of Kouravas.

(2) I respect your belief but I refuse to believe that God(Allah) send his message through an angel(Scientifically unproven/unidentified Identity ) to Muhammad because I don't believe in existence of God or Angel.

what a fool i am....Sign is King......i am talking to an Atheist.....
u understand urdu/hindi....i had mentioned this somewhere....for u again...

jaisi karni waisi bharni,,,na maane to karke dekh
jannat bhi hai dozakh (hell)bhi hai, na maane to marke dekh....

let us all wait to die Sing is King and all dear Atheist present here....

i cant help but smile when i read the message of Atheists here

[SinghIsKing]

what a fool i am....Sign is King......i am talking to an Atheist.....
u understand urdu/hindi....i had mentioned this somewhere....for u again...

jaisi karni waisi bharni,,,na maane to karke dekh
jannat bhi hai dozakh (hell)bhi hai, na maane to marke dekh....

let us all wait to die Sing is King and all dear Atheist present here....

i cant help but smile when i read the message of Atheists here

What happened to you? Suddenly you realised that I am an Atheist then You are feeling bad for talking with me. I respect your belief but I will not believe it blindly till then somebody will prove me about existence of God.
I also laugh when somebody laugh at me without thinking that what he/she is believing is due to brought up he/she has got in certain family not by his own will.

[spogmai shaglay]

What happened to you? Suddenly you realised that I am an Atheist then You are feeling bad for talking with me. I respect your belief but I will not believe it blindly till then somebody will prove me about existence of God.

SinghisKing....i wont stop talking to u at all friend after knowing this,,,,but then not on this topic of existence of God....sorry i should have made it clear.....

and do u want to see God,only then u will believe?????????sorry i started again.....anything but this....

ok....... u laugh when somebody smiles...thats goood.......

[SinghIsKing]

SinghisKing....i wont stop talking to u at all friend after knowing this,,,,but then not on this topic of existence of God....sorry i should have made it clear.....

and do u want to see God,only then u will believe?????????sorry i started again.....anything but this....

ok....... u laugh when somebody smiles...thats goood.......

Sorry for my ignorance but Yeah on this topic I laugh loudly.(Not smile)

[Michin Khel]

Dear Indians what is status of Pashto in India?

Lol there are no pashto speakers in india. I have read some where that there were few villages in UP and bhopal which were pashto speaking upto 1947.

[drona]

Dear Indians what is status of Pashto in India?

PashtunQueen,
Pashto is taught in the University that I am studying. Here is the web-page of the professor that I am talking about:
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Regards,
Drona

[drona]

Nazia,
Here's the info from wikipedia:

Pashto-speaking communities

There are a large number of Pashto-speaking Pakhtuns in the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir.Although their exact numbers are hard to determine, it is at least in excess of 100,000 for it is known that in 1954 over 100,000 nomadic Pakhtuns living in Kashmir Valley were granted Indian citizenship.Today jirgas are frequently held.Those settled and living in the Kashmir Valley speak Pashto, and are found chiefly in the southwest of the valley, where Pashtun colonies have from time to time been founded. The most interesting are the Kukikhel Afridis of Dramghaihama, who retain all the old customs and speak Pashto. They wear colorful dress and carry swords and shields. The Afridis and the Machipurians, who belong to the Yusufzai tribe, are liable to military service, in return for which they hold certain villages free of revenue. The Pashtuns chiefly came in under the Durranis, but many were brought by Maharajah Gulab Singh for service on the frontier. Pashto is also spoken in two villages, Dhakki and Changnar (Chaknot), located on the Line of Control in Kupwara District.In response to demand by the Pashtun community living in the state, Kashir TV has recently launched a series of Pushto-language programs.

A further small, scattered Pashtun population still exists in some major cities of India with large Muslim populations, with the majority of Pashto-speaking individuals residing in the states of Delhi and Uttar Pradesh.These Pathans, numbering around 14,161, have retained the use of the Pashto language and are still able to speak and understand it. This is partially because until recently, most of these Indian Pashtuns were able to travel to Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan.

Urdu-speaking communities

The larger number of people claiming Pashtun ancestry in India are Urdu-speaking. Despite the loss of most of the Raj-era Pashtun population, India still has a large community of Urdu-speaking Muslims who trace their ancestry to Pashtun invaders and settlers. They are often referred by the Hindi-Urdu pronunciation of the word Pashtun, "Pathan". However, because Pashto fluency has been lost, and a large degree of intermarriage with Indian locals has occurred throughout the centuries, such Pathans are rarely regarded by Pashtuns in Pakistan and Afghanistan as being truly Pashtun—with the exception of the Bollywood Khan actors, and the legendary Kapoors, who are a source of pride for Pashtuns. The surname Khan among Urdu-speaking communities does not in itself indicate Pashtun ancestry; several other communities such as the Rajput Khanzada of Uttar Pradesh also use the surname Khan. In Rohilkhand and the Bangash-dominated areas of Farrukhabad, the term "Pathan Khanzada" refers to Rajput groups that have been incorporated into the Pashtun communities settled there. In addition to Uttar Pradesh, the states of Gujarat and Rajasthan are also home to large communities of Pashtuns.

Major Indian Pathan tribes lived in the following areas. While many persons belonging to these tribes moved to the Afghan-Pakistan border, others chose to stay and thus, descendants of these tribes still reside in the parts of India listed below:

Tareens in Sarai Tareen, a small town in the city Sambhal of Uttar Pradesh
Rohillas in the Rohilkhand region of Uttar Pradesh
Bangashes in Farrukhabad District in Uttar Pradesh and the towns of Kasganj and Kaimganj of Etah District
Marwats in Aurangabad in Maharashtra, Azamgarh in Uttar Pradesh and Bhopal
Yousafzais in Baroda in Gujarat, and Bhopal in Madhya Pradesh
Tonkia Pathan, a community mainly of Yousafzai descent found in Tonk, and other districts of Rajasthan
Sorgar community of Rajasthan also claims Pashtu ancestry.
Mianas in Southern India
Lodhis and Suris of North India
Lodhis, Yousafzai and Suris of Bihar
Pathans of Gujarat are a distinct community with in the larger community of the Pathans of India. They belonge mainly to the Babi, Lohani, Yousafzai and Zadran tribes.

The term "Pathan" does not refer exclusively and specifically to these Indian Pashtun descendants. Historically the term was used mainly to refer to Pashtuns in general by mainstream Indians, Muslims included. Most Pashtuns, however, find the term to be insensitive and prefer to be called by their native label.

Today, around 10,808,000 individuals who claim Pathan descent reside in post-partition India.The following delineates the population of Pathans in the states of India.
Uttar Pradesh (8,997,000)
Maharashtra (3,123,000)
West Bengal (3,057,000)
Rajasthan (990,000)
Madhya Pradesh (974,000)
Karnataka (559,000)
Tamil Nadu (500,000)
Bihar (327,000)
Andhra Pradesh (257,000)
Gujarat (254,000)