Why are Pukhtuns from Afghanistan so conservative?

[khyaal]

I've met hundreds of displaced afghans and through my experience I can tell you that even a common afghan is much more tolerant and humble than the common man of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. Besides, these displaced afghans are highly intelligent, open minded, honest and extrovert in their outlook. Such qualities are deeply lacking within the people of my Khyber Pakhtunkwha (the reason might be our prolonged slavery), while the people of Southern Pakhtunkhtunwa are an exception. Our so-called educated class is highly arrogant and incompetent as compared to the literate class of Azad Afghanistan.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

I've met hundreds of displaced afghans and through my experience I can tell you that even a common afghan is much more tolerant and humble than the common man of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. Besides, these displaced afghans are highly intelligent, open minded, honest and extrovert in their outlook. Such qualities are deeply lacking within the people of my Khyber Pakhtunkwha (the reason might be our prolonged slavery), while the people of Southern Pakhtunkhtunwa are an exception. Our so-called educated class is highly arrogant and incompetent as compared to the literate class of Azad Afghanistan.

Khyaal saib this is beyond the point. I mean as a nation we have some people who are very religious and some who are not. On a whole Pashtuns as a nation are conservative...this is a fact no matter how we slice it (be it north, south, east or west). What surprised me about this topic was that some of our members instead of answering in a calm manner jumped the gun and made it a Pashtunkhwa v Afghanistan debate. Or we don't want to unite with because of x,y,z members....this is pretty fallacious stand at best and shows some thin skin from our part. Little things are triggering people to say very reactionary statements. Is this how weak their idea of unity is? That they can't see beyond the opinion of one person and see the importance of unity or the future of the region.

Khyber Pashtunkhwa is dormant not really due to slavery but more of their position is in a limbo. There is a group of the educated as you have noticed, are hawaeee and see their future within Pakistan. So this gives them an idea that they are actually play makers in the state, when in fact the opposite is the case. Best case example are the likes of Nighat orakzai.

[khyaal]

BLS! You are completely right but what I mean to say is that our prolonged slavery has affected our mental faculties as well as our attitudes and it is quite understandable for the people of Azad Afghanistan when we happen to talk to them. I felt pleasantly surprised when I first met people from Azad Afghanistan.

[شمله ور خراساني]

BLS! You are completely right but what I mean to say is that our prolonged slavery has affected our mental faculties as well as our attitudes and it is quite understandable for the people of Azad Afghanistan when we happen to talk to them. I felt pleasantly surprised when I first met people from Azad Afghanistan.

yes, you are right. You have a slave mentality. You like slavery so much that you promote slavery for Afghanistan by supporting America.

[khyaal]

yes, you are right. You have a slave mentality. You like slavery so much that you promote slavery for Afghanistan by supporting America.

You have become cynic and thus unable to differentiate between friends and foes.

[khyaal]

@ Sangara! I'm honestly telling you that in Western countries like Holland, USA, England etc. you could live as a devout muslim or an honest person, but in Pakistan you and your predecessors will lose either or both of the qualities, that's why we support US presence for a while as compared to the eternal servitude of the Pakis.

[شمله ور خراساني]

@ Sangara! I'm honestly telling you that in Western countries like Holland, USA, England etc. you could live as a devout muslim or an honest person, but in Pakistan you and your predecessors will lose either or both of the qualities, that's why we support US presence for a while as compared to the eternal servitude of the Pakis.

well, you think. Thats of no meaning to me. Since I live here. And I know from first hand experience.

Of course Pakistan is corrupting. Its because its a secular fascist state. Where government supports drug and sex industry.

[شمله ور خراساني]

You have become cynic and thus unable to differentiate between friends and foes.

cynic means like a dog.Cynicus was a Greek philosopher who wanted to live like a dog without any morality. He rejected all social conventions.

i am not cynical. In fact, being like a dog is when one desires to have invaders and crusaders dominating you.

My friends are people of quran and sunnah. People who stand up against injustice and people who revive Islam in their heart, their home and their community.

People who promote virtue and prevent vice. People who oppose taghoot. And people who are steadfast on the path of allah.

[khyaal]

look sangara! Cynic means extremely skeptic. You quoted the etymological meaning of the word.

[شمله ور خراساني]

look sangara! Cynic means extremely skeptic. You quoted the etymological meaning of the word.

i am a radical fundamentalist. I like to go straight to the root of things.

[khyaal]

i am a radical fundamentalist. I like to go straight to the root of things.

lol. Now I got it.

[PFgulalai]

Members like Gulalai,Qrratugai, Baygham and Maseed do not have the guts to say what they say here in their own villages. I would challenge them to go to Peshawar and say "Allah does not exist" Pashtuns are known to be super religious. Pashtun jaaney namaz jaaney. That is what we are famous for. No offence to the above mentioned members but what they are saying here they can only say here or the west. In Pashtunkhwa a traditional naswar chewing Pashtun would chop their head off.

FYI Shlombay:
-West has nothing to do with my beliefs.Period.
-PF is not the only place to bear the brunt of my "irrationality" (as you called it) and that Pekhawar for a very long time has been tolerant to my views until recently when your talibans came and tried to Arab-inize us.
-Yes, Pashtuns are super religious and that led them to extremisim and that is just one another reason besides several others reasons for their plight today.Congratualtions!!you have just won bonus points for coming up with that conlusion about Pashtuns. However, what you do not know is the difference between religious extremism and cultural conservatism. While you talk about the former, I am the proponent of the latter.Hence, you can separate the muslim from Pashtun, but not the "Pashtun" from Pashtun. By no standards, whatsoever, would I ever consider myself less Pashtana than you!!!
-Yes, again they are super religious and they will execute me but what is so "splendid" about it that makes you so proudful about that? Ain't you the same person who in the other thread made a pompous proclamation about the democratic values of USA? I find it highly self-contradictory that on one hand, you are reaping big benefits from the western secularism (considering the fact that you can practice your belief system)and on the other hand, you do not appreciate it when a Pashtun will talk about it in Kyber-Pakhtunkhwa or Afghanistan, or on PF.I find it highly hypocritical.

[Shayesta]

All the best, rational/objective, and enlightened minds that I see here are from Pukhtunkhwa whether Baygham, BehaveMasood, gulalai, Qrratugai, LewanayZalmay, Nadir Shah, Pir-i-Rokhan, etc.

Dear Toramana, definite rational, objective and enlightened minds?

Please, this should not be taken as offense. I still have unwavering belief in the potential of all Pashtuns to rise above narrow sectarianism and tribal tendencies and forge Pan-Pashtun unity

Your opinion is an opinion. One may agree with you, another might not. Pekhawris I met in Jalalabad where also complaining about people of Pekhawer and showed their disappointment in people of Pekhawer, but that doesn't mean every single Pukhtoon is disappointed in them. Yes, it is sad if a Pukhtoon makes a subject about Pukhtoons on other side of the border, and that also while his own 'side' is no different but yet being ignored. Unity comes with respecting those Pukhtoons no matter how they are, and feel comfortable around them. Being scared of them itself is a wrong start.

Toramana, this is your enlightened member... Mubarak de wei... we are ok with people that have tasbeh and are uneducated, at least they have something called "adab, sharm o haya"

LOL. :P

We scare them they call us mahajir while we hug them when they come to Kandahar. We go and get them tea and as poor as we are we make sure they are full and sleep well. But them? They say we scare them and we are extremists.

Do you mind not exaggerating like this? If you welcome them with open arms, then try to remember how Pakhtunkhwa also welcomed us with open arms? When my family used to visit Swat in summers and they used to get stuck in some village, then at least one family was prepared to empty their house for my family so they could sleep in peace! Even people of Pekhawer used to feel offend when I used to ask them whether they are Pakistani or Afghan. They used to reply, 'If you consider yourself an Afghan then so do we, and if you consider yourself a Pakistan then so do we because before that we are Pukhtoons'. Don't take Toramana's words to your heart to the extend it insults all the generosity and kindness we got from Pakhtunkhwa all those decades.

I have also noticed many members from Afghanistan tend to be more supportive of ISI Taliban and Islamic Extremism.

Wow, your knowledge is weaker than I thought!

We have members from Pakhtunkhwa such as BLS,Khyaal, Myself, Sher Khan,Nokia the great Afridi who tend to focus more on Pashtun Unity through Politics, Language and culture.

Hold it, hold it, hold it right there! You, Sher Khan and Apriday? The very same you who has been banned a million times because you couldn't get enough of insulting Afghans? The very same Sher Khan who doesn't even agree with the term 'Afghan' let alone 'Afghan unity'? The very same Apriday to whom you will say 'senga ye' and he will answer 'Parsiwanan murdabad'? Oh puh-lease!

There is also the aspect of Arab influence, Afghans tend to be inspired by Arab savages and follow them.

Ding dong!; Arabs are your country's friends, not ours. Remember?

If your happy with Afghanistan where Pashto is treated by Spee gwal, then stop expecting us to hate on Pakistan and invent this Loy Afghanistan.

Spee gwal ya de khre gwal, at least we can count in our language and can proudly say our own language is a national and first language in our country which is compulsary to each and every student in our country. What about you? And which Afghan told you to hate Pakistan, ha? Show me the threads where Afghans will tell you to hate Pakistan, and in return I will show you hundreds of threads where my 'friends' on other side of the border do nothing else but bash, lower and criticize people of Afghanistan; May they be Pukhtoons, may they be not!

You will accept a hazara, tajik and uzbek over a Pashtun, proves my,Sher Khan and Nokia Afridis point and arugment all this time.

Have you even met a proper non-Pukhtoon Afghan? No, you haven't because they ain't used to criticize others; They rather take actions instead of crying like a bunch of moaners.

You guys are never true to Pashtun Unity, I know as like your leaders in the past, you guys will sell out Pashtuns as usual.

Oh jeez, says the one who was on a Punjabi-slavery mission when sent as Taliban to Afghanistan to disunite people of Afghanistan and trust in Afghanistan! You are the sell-out here, not us.

By the Way, the Pakistani Wazir guy was not me, it was a Wazir from the same Library University as me who hates Afghans to the core, and I saw the responses from so called Loy Afghanistan supporters mocking people of Waziristan with harsh insults.

LOL, you are on one hand talking of unity and on other hand you are friends with people against the unity of Pukhtoons? ROFL, talk of contradiction! And about Waziris, I have only and only heard Pakistanis call Waziris terrorists, wife-sellers and cowards and I dare you to find an Afghan with such a mind as well because majority Afghans don't even know who Waziris are!

but you will unite with Pakistani Punjabis and Arabs who slaughter your people day in and day out.

Tell those your fellow Pukhtoons from Pakhtunkhwa who served ISI before, who are serving ISI now, who form second largest group of the Pakistani army, who transformed into Taliban in Swat one day and into Pakistani soldier the other day, who bombed his own Pakhtunkhwa because his master home Punjab will get the money for it, etcetera.

[PFgulalai]

Gulalai
I am scared of another I am quitting thread so Id rather not respond to your post. As much I have an answer to your post Id rather keep it to myself. I dont want more members announcing leaves.

Thats all I will say.

Dear Shlombay,

I hope you are doing well.
Lol...I am waiting for your answer.
Thanks in advance,
gulalai

[شمله ور خراساني]

Dear sister Shayesta, please do not pay attention to these people. They are evil people who shout unity of pashtuns but are actually insulting pashtuns from Afghanistan and the religion of all Pashtuns.

They are a mockery of their own silly Nationalist cause.