Why are Pukhtuns from Afghanistan so conservative?

[BehavedMaseed]

I have also noticed many members from Afghanistan tend to be more supportive of ISI Taliban and Islamic Extremism.

We have members from Pakhtunkhwa such as BLS,Khyaal, Myself, Sher Khan,Nokia the great Afridi who tend to focus more on Pashtun Unity through Politics, Language and culture.

I think the reason why Afghans tend to be more closer to Islamic Extremism is due to poverty and the life expectancy ratio. Because the life of an Afghan in Afghanistan tends to be much lower, so they are told to follow Allah and led to think Life is too short and Islam only matters nothing else.

Plus there is the aspect of ISI joint production with the University of Nebraska of educating Afghan children about Jihad and Islamic domination of the world.

There is also the aspect of Arab influence, Afghans tend to be inspired by Arab savages and follow them.

Kind Regards

[Toramana]

Yeah. And it may also be that the Pashtuns from Afghanistan (though now also many in Pashtunkhwa) have witnessed the harms of extremism, so they know better. Those who are still extremist don't typically live in Afghanistan, have you notice? They live in the (infidel) west, in fact! They're also a more younger generation than the older ones that completely reject extremism in all forms.

... Come to think of it, I think this would prove a great study for someone interested in studying Afghans/Pashtuns! Which generations are the most conservative ones? Where do they tend to live? Who do they tend to interact with? What reasons do they provide for their conservative or non-conservative views?

Qraatugai, I agree with you on that. Unfortunately, immigrants in the West happen to be the most orthodox. Pashtuns back home are conservative but in traditional sense. One can say they are conservative in the sense of Pashtunwali.

[BehavedMaseed]

Count me in as well. If members like Maseed who have mocked us in the past. Baygham who just said Kabul is you know what and Toramana whom we scare ia mainstream at this point it has to be even abubaker said we are called muhajir than I also never want to unify with them. I would choose a Hazara over Baygham and his kinds.


Lets develop our own country and let them mock us.

Why do you guys always bring me in your rants!!!!

If your happy with Afghanistan where Pashto is treated by Spee gwal, then stop expecting us to hate on Pakistan and invent this Loy Afghanistan.

You will accept a hazara, tajik and uzbek over a Pashtun, proves my,Sher Khan and Nokia Afridis point and arugment all this time.

You guys are never true to Pashtun Unity, I know as like your leaders in the past, you guys will sell out Pashtuns as usual.

By the Way, the Pakistani Wazir guy was not me, it was a Wazir from the same Library University as me who hates Afghans to the core, and I saw the responses from so called Loy Afghanistan supporters mocking people of Waziristan with harsh insults.

Kind Regards

Have a great day

[Toramana]

Hi all, I am extremely sorry because with this thread, it started all. There should be a little room for divergence of opinion and peception. What Baygham said meant, in both Kabul and Islamabad, progress is taken to be superficial glamour. He wanted to say that what we see in Kabul or Islamabad is not the "true progress", which is being rational, objective, tolerant and open-mindness to ideas, etc. It is unfortunate that he is being misinterpreted.

I once again apologise to you all.

[Saifullah]

I dont want to unite with pashtuns who think like this guy toramana or maseed. I will unite with any human being who has mutual respect for me. I will never befriend a pashtun who i find is evil and a disease to our society. I dont mind the friendship of a punjabi, hazara, arab, white american, african or whoever as long as i know they are true people, honest and not fraudsters using name of nationalism like some of our pashtuns.

[Saifullah]

Stop apologising, we aren't kids...

[BehavedMaseed]

I dont want to unite with pashtuns who think like this guy toramana or maseed. I will unite with any human being who has mutual respect for me. I will never befriend a pashtun who i find is evil and a disease to our society. I dont mind the friendship of a punjabi, hazara, arab, white american, african or whoever as long as i know they are true people, honest and not fraudsters using name of nationalism like some of our pashtuns.

Loose the petty insults. We are no fraudsters just because we dont follow your Ali baba baba Pakistani Hamid guls and your pimps Imran Khans.

You complained not long ago about Pakistan. Redeemed your Pakistani Identity and be a respectable Pakistani.

What respect should we Nationalists give you when you call us beggers,fraudsters and other lies and misconceptions.

Then you rant about how bad and evil pakistan is and that your an Afghan etc etc etc etc but you will unite with Pakistani Punjabis and Arabs who slaughter your people day in and day out.

You dont deserve my time.

Kind Regards

[Toramana]

I dont want to unite with pashtuns who think like this guy toramana or maseed. I will unite with any human being who has mutual respect for me. I will never befriend a pashtun who i find is evil and a disease to our society. I dont mind the friendship of a punjabi, hazara, arab, white american, african or whoever as long as i know they are true people, honest and not fraudsters using name of nationalism like some of our pashtuns.

Ahh, a Hizbu Tahriri with Jehadi mission to Pukhtunkhwa claims to be a humanist. And don't talk too much about Pashtun natiionalists. There are members of Pashtun Students Federation (PSF) active there in Khyber Medical College and may give you a good dusting.

[BehavedMaseed]

I am shocked at how some guys here who live in a very comfortable life in the west becoming so defensive about Islam while their living under a roof of Secularism and freedoms.

Then they tell you to unite with Arabs and Punjabis, I suggest they actually go to Pakhtunkhwa and see with your own eyes what Islam truely is, go to the madrassahs where clerics molester little boys, brainwash them to do suicide bombing missions and go and visit those kids in Government sponsored rehab clinics, go and ask them what happened to them, how they were drugged and brainwashed by Mullahs who are supported by these Islamic Nationalists.

Kind Regards

[Saifullah]

Shut the hell up, i have nothing to do with Hizb ut tahrir. PSF was involved in violence themselves and the jaamiat people always fighting, they are all a bunch of losers. Even in campuses, wat dumb ignorant people. Tell them go and die for their cause rather than annoying people while they want to study

BEING a friend has nothing to do with unity MASEED...look and read english properly. Did i say unite with Punjab???

[Saifullah]

Why are you guys beating up the wrong bush?

You talk about Islam and always against it. When somebody tries to point u in the right direction by saying follow Islam, that is something positive. But you cannot tell me then oh some so-called islamist raped a girl, so we will reject Islam. Man you get pashtun nationalists raping boys and sodomising, bacha baazan...and so on.

If Islam was followed there would be no bacha baaz, they would be severely punished for their crimes. If people followed Islam there would be no zulm. Don't tell me about groups which did zulm, i am talking about a religion derived from scriptures and actions of Prophet (SAW), dont talk to me about muslims or saudi arabia, that has nothing to do with Islam, coz some muslim follow islam and some dont.

Converted muslims in the west, they used to drink, go clubbing, drug addicts and so on. They used to destroy their families life, involved in crime. The moment they converted to Islam they became peaceful people and they would respect their parents and so on. THIS IS ISLAM!!

[شمله ور خراساني]

the kaafirs here make it sound like Pashtunkhwa is a brothel of socialist alcoholics and Afhanistan is a madrassah.

Actually, both lar & Bar are equally religious and pious. The only odd ones are these apostates and nihilists who use Pashtunforums to destroy the image of Pashtuns and make us look as nihilist apostates and materialists.

[Feroza_Banu]

I think the reason why Afghans tend to be more closer to Islamic Extremism is due to poverty and the life expectancy ratio. Because the life of an Afghan in Afghanistan tends to be much lower, so they are told to follow Allah and led to think Life is too short and Islam only matters nothing else.

eh? data gora!...

could you say anything more meaningless than this? yes afghanistan is poor and oh pashtoonkhwa is a heaven of riches and prosperity... I won't stoop down to your level to mock the poverty and lifestyle of pashtoonkhwa people but you should get the point...

yes afghans die easily and have short life expectancy ratio, have you read the news lately about pashtoonkhwa, and the death rate there? this isn't something glorious to point out. instead of feeling sad or remorse for the conditions of afghans in afghanistan who have sacrified their whole being for afghanistan and its ghairat, you mock them?

wah wah... good job...

[Baygham]

Hi all, I am extremely sorry because with this thread, it started all. There should be a little room for divergence of opinion and peception. What Baygham said meant, in both Kabul and Islamabad, progress is taken to be superficial glamour. He wanted to say that what we see in Kabul or Islamabad is not the "true progress", which is being rational, objective, tolerant and open-mindness to ideas, etc. It is unfortunate that he is being misinterpreted.

I once again apologise to you all.

Thank you again for clarifying what I said.

I once told a pashtoon from pakhtunkhwa who was the son of a very corrupt govt guy (now a politician) that he should not try to defend his father who is a pimp (he literally is - with a brothel in peshawar), and instead forge his own way forward as an educated, rational pashtoon and help his peaple.

Two weeks later he called me to come over as he has something important to share, I went over and he said, "well in the last two weeks I did some investigations of my own and found out that your father was a 'marwasi' and a lunatic". I said 'OK' good to know.

He did not get my point at all. And neighter have you guys.

AS far as unity is concerned, the ones in Kabul and islamabad fear such things, I am already united with my pashtoon brothers (pashtoons between east of Maiper and west of indus). even the talib is a brother, once his ISI shah-rug is cut. rakagoo ba warsara.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Pashtuns as a whole are very conservative people....if you take away the urban areas (the few that we have), then Pashtuns are a very conservative people, both as a whole and relative to the nations around us. Look at the tribal areas, tribal agencies, villages all over Pashtunkhwa or Afghanistan..overall a very conservative group.