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  • #16
    The barelvi school itself is named after a Pathan with paternal lineage going back to Kandahar. Barelvies and deobandis both claim to be successors of Shah walliullah who was Arab by paternal lineage.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Samandri View Post
      Very interesting observations.........Majority of the truck drivers in Pakistan are Pashtuns and trucks and lorries are associated with Pashtuns there, so i dont think that truck with unique paintings and with sentences on the backside, are exactly "Indic" influence.....Infact you wont find such decorated Trucks and lorries in India and other parts of subcontinent.

      Cricket is a sport and its good to see Afghans enjoying it. The food of Afghanistan is usually bland and less tasty (they dont know how to cook tasty dishes)....so influence from Pakistan on Afghan cuisine should be welcomed.

      The introduction of Deobandi school of thought to Afghanistan was bound to happen as Pakistani Pashtuns (majority of them) are Deobandis since 19th century (Haji Turangzai, Faqir of IPi, Bacha Khan etc were deobandis).............note that no other region in subcontinent has such heavy majority of Deobandis as It is in Pashtun belt......its because Deoband had association with Rohilla Pathans of India who were active in Frontier Pakhtun regions through out 19th century. Also Deobandis were active against British and this appealed to the Pashtuns very much who were also in war with British.
      Oh god, lol that house is ugly. But really, the difference between Pashtuns in afghanistan and pakistan isn't really all that significant. Apart from the minority of Pashtuns that have been obviously desified, glaringly so, most still retain their traditional ways. The ghwagei garay, the bland food.... i mean i've seen it all. As for the partug/waistcoat combo..... most northern males in pakistan wear them as well as Afghan Pashtuns. Though i'd wish the women would wear the olde,traditional kochi dresses more often. So really, Pashtuns are'nt really all that different, though external influences are indeed creeping into our culture (like a slithery, disgust maar). Most apparent of these being the alarming acceptance of the indian/desi marriages customs and also urdo (screw urdo) . Worrisome

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      • #18
        Originally posted by ZarakDurrani606 View Post
        Oh god, lol that house is ugly. But really, the difference between Pashtuns in afghanistan and pakistan isn't really all that significant. Apart from the minority of Pashtuns that have been obviously desified, glaringly so, most still retain their traditional ways. The ghwagei garay, the bland food.... i mean i've seen it all. As for the partug/waistcoat combo..... most northern males in pakistan wear them as well as Afghan Pashtuns. Though i'd wish the women would wear the olde,traditional kochi dresses more often. So really, Pashtuns are'nt really all that different, though external influences are indeed creeping into our culture (like a slithery, disgust maar). Most apparent of these being the alarming acceptance of the indian/desi marriages customs and also urdo (screw urdo) . Worrisome
        Thankfully that is true, especially for the lower classes and that's why I'm not too worried. One thing you did forget to mention though is that on the other side there is also a lot of persianization among the elite.
        Originally posted by Kaushika

        majority of Hilly Rajputs are the product of these cross breeding and want to disassociate with their past. rajputs with rajwadi surnames consider themeselves superior but those native kings who look darker gets mocked as "gola" (mix breed, son of rakhile) so they actually invite light skinned rajputs and kshatriya tribes from Jammu region such as jamwals to sleep with their women so that their wives can give birth to pure white looking Native Child.

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        • #19
          Secularism and nationalism are the biggest external threats to Pashtun identity.
          Originally posted by Firdousi
          Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Daryeh View Post
            kochi dress:

            I'm more disgusted at the fake blond hair and transvestite make up than the tacky Indian looking bakhmal and partog

            Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


            Originally posted by ذو الفقار
            don’t try to be smart.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Elite Pakhtun View Post
              I'm going to agree with Samandri on the food thing. You don't understand good food until you enjoy spicy food. Without a doubt pakistani pashtuns have gained from the cultural exchange with regards to food.
              Overseasoned food robs the natural richness of meat. A nice lamb shank should be peppered, mildly salted, not drowned in elaborate sauces and oils ......

              Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


              Originally posted by ذو الفقار
              don’t try to be smart.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
                Overseasoned food robs the natural richness of meat. A nice lamb shank should be peppered, mildly salted, not drowned in elaborate sauces and oils ......
                That's how most meat in Pashtun areas on both sides is prepared anyways. Don't get why people are making such a big fuss about this....it's true that Pak Pashtun cuisine is a little more like Desi cuisine but the difference isn't huge, especially in my house because we don't really eat spicy food.
                Originally posted by Kaushika

                majority of Hilly Rajputs are the product of these cross breeding and want to disassociate with their past. rajputs with rajwadi surnames consider themeselves superior but those native kings who look darker gets mocked as "gola" (mix breed, son of rakhile) so they actually invite light skinned rajputs and kshatriya tribes from Jammu region such as jamwals to sleep with their women so that their wives can give birth to pure white looking Native Child.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Traveller View Post
                  That's how most meat in Pashtun areas on both sides is prepared anyways. Don't get why people are making such a big fuss about this....it's true that Pak Pashtun cuisine is a little more like Desi cuisine but the difference isn't huge, especially in my house because we don't really eat spicy food.
                  That's true; I was just making a remark about Erectile Dysfunction's favoring desi style cooking.

                  Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                  Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                  don’t try to be smart.

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                  • #24
                    By tasty i doesnt mean heavily mirch masala food, i am also talking about sweet and tarwaskun dishes........Afghanistan cuisine is bland, simple and less tasty.......food in our parts (Pakistani Pashtuns) is very less spicy compared to Punjab and India.....while Punjabis use too much of mirch masala in every thing

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                    A Pawanda wedding (Photo taken in Loralai)

                    Last edited by Samandri; 03-11-2017, 02:09 AM.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Samandri View Post
                      By tasty i doesnt mean heavily mirch masala food, i am also talking about sweet and tarwaskun dishes........Afghanistan cuisine is bland, simple and less tasty.......food in our parts (Pakistani Pashtuns) is very less spicy compared to Punjab and India.....while Punjabis use too much of mirch masala in every thing

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                      A Pawanda wedding (Photo taken in Loralai)

                      I can't barely eat Punjabi food unless it's a solid meat dish like Tandoori chicken. Their curries are just not for me. Pashtun food>Desi food. Mediterranean and Middle Eastern are also pretty good.
                      Originally posted by Kaushika

                      majority of Hilly Rajputs are the product of these cross breeding and want to disassociate with their past. rajputs with rajwadi surnames consider themeselves superior but those native kings who look darker gets mocked as "gola" (mix breed, son of rakhile) so they actually invite light skinned rajputs and kshatriya tribes from Jammu region such as jamwals to sleep with their women so that their wives can give birth to pure white looking Native Child.

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                      • #26
                        Also, why the wedding pic?
                        Originally posted by Kaushika

                        majority of Hilly Rajputs are the product of these cross breeding and want to disassociate with their past. rajputs with rajwadi surnames consider themeselves superior but those native kings who look darker gets mocked as "gola" (mix breed, son of rakhile) so they actually invite light skinned rajputs and kshatriya tribes from Jammu region such as jamwals to sleep with their women so that their wives can give birth to pure white looking Native Child.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Traveller View Post
                          Also, why the wedding pic?
                          For actual Pawanda dress......OP has some designer's dress

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                          • #28
                            By the way its misconception that Curry/stew/broth is not eaten in Afghanistan......Curry or stew or broth is "borr", "Yakhni" and "Shorwa" of our Pashto and is cooked in Afghanistan and Pakhtunkhwa, of chicken (and of many other birds), mutton and beef
                            Last edited by Samandri; 03-11-2017, 02:27 AM.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Samandri View Post
                              By the way its misconception that Curry/stew/broth is not eaten in Afghanistan......Curry or stew or broth is "borr" and "Shorwa" of our Pashto and is cooked in Afghanistan and Pakhtunkhwa, of chicken (and of many other birds), mutton and beef
                              I think they also eat daal. Which is why I never got the "Daalkhor" insult.
                              Originally posted by Kaushika

                              majority of Hilly Rajputs are the product of these cross breeding and want to disassociate with their past. rajputs with rajwadi surnames consider themeselves superior but those native kings who look darker gets mocked as "gola" (mix breed, son of rakhile) so they actually invite light skinned rajputs and kshatriya tribes from Jammu region such as jamwals to sleep with their women so that their wives can give birth to pure white looking Native Child.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Traveller View Post
                                I think they also eat daal. Which is why I never got the "Daalkhor" insult.
                                Actually Daalkhor is slang word for vegetarian.....Hindus and Hindus were vegetarian and Afghans/Pashtuns used to call them dhalkhor with contempt.....Punjabi diet was actually vegetarian not long time ago (evident from 19th century description of Punjab and Sindh by British).....the mutton and beef habit got popular in Punjab and Sindh due to influence of Pashtuns, Urduspeakers and Balochs after 1947

                                All these meat dishes of Pakistan brought from India by Urduspeakers, are actually Rohilla and Lucknow foods......the meaty food was popular in Rohilkhand due to Rohilla Pashtuns who brought it from Pakhtnkhwa/Afghanistan
                                Last edited by Samandri; 03-11-2017, 02:35 AM.

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