Kabul 1970s, were Pashtuns modernized too, or just Tajiks?

[Forreigner]

dum ass sand niggah were did I say we all should wear this. I just explained to Foreigner that people wore those clothes becuase for them this was seen as being modern and back in those day people did not seek so much behind every small thing in life. Go and ****ing learn how to read dum ass sand niggah.

I dont care if you wear something like this or not, I am not a complet retard like you who judges people by their clothes. This arab retarded culture did not spread to me.

Agreed. Afghans must distance from Arabic culture as much as possible. I like the Culture of Iranic peoples far better to Arab culture.

While I agree that miniskirt and other revealing/trashy clothing fashion from western is not good, having women covered from top to toe is not a sign of superior culture. I guess I am a fan of pre-Arab/Muslim Iranic/Aryan culture of the region.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

. I guess I am a fan of pre-Arab/Muslim Iranic/Aryan culture of the region.

In Pre-Islamic Aryan culture, the Zoroastrians used to cover their women from head to toe.

ČĀDOR (2) – Encyclopaedia Iranica

The fact that women of royalty were carried in cur*tained carriages gave rise to a motif in Persian narrative literature, the most celebrated example of which we find in the epic of Vīs o Rāmīn, with material dating from the Parthian era. There (p. 93), Vīs is not only sitting behind curtains (parda) but also wearing a veil (neqāb) on her face (cf. Baḵtīār-nāma, ed. Ṣafā, pp. 5-6).


ČĀDOR, a loose female garment covering the body, sometimes also the face (Figure 1). The etymology of the word is unknown; connection with Indian chattra “parasol” is uncertain (cf. ČATR).

i. In Early Literary Sources

ii. Among Zoroastrians

iii. In Islamic Persia



i. In Early Literary Sources

At least as early as Achaemenid times Persian queens were hidden from the people. Plutarch, discussing the reign of Artaxerxes (r. 404-359), writes that Queen Stateira was beloved by the common folk because the curtains of her carriage were always up, and thus the women of the people were permitted to see and greet her (“Artaxerxes,” 5; cf. Xenophon, Cyropaedia 6.4.11). The fact that women of royalty were carried in cur*tained carriages gave rise to a motif in Persian narrative literature, the most celebrated example of which we find in the epic of Vīs o Rāmīn, with material dating from the Parthian era. There (p. 93), Vīs is not only sitting behind curtains (parda) but also wearing a veil (neqāb) on her face (cf. Baḵtīār-nāma, ed. Ṣafā, pp. 5-6).

In the Pahlavi texts čādor is mentioned in at least two cases: in the Rivāyat ī Hēmīd i Ašawahištān, a 4th/10th-century Zoroastrian legal text (ed. Safa-Isfehani, p. 33.9), čādor is mentioned, together with the sarband and wāšmag, as a female head dress worn by Zoroas*trian women; in the Mādayān ī Yōišt ī Friyān, a Pahlavi text (6th century?) based on (lost) Avestan texts (cf. Yt. 5.81-83), we read (3.56) that Hufriyā, the sister of Yōišt, a Turanian Zoroastrian, and the wife of Axt, an opponent of the new, Zoroastrian, faith, put on a veil (čādur) when she was requested to answer the question whether the pleasure of women is from dress and housewifery rather than being with their husbands.

Persian classical texts provide us with a wealth of passages in which we find women of different periods and different classes covered with either čādor or other forms of head dresses. For instance, when Šīrīn’s conversation with the new king and her stepson Šīrūya is over, she removes her čādor to show him that it was her beauty—unseen by others—that worked like magic upon the dead king, Ḵosrow Parvēz, and nothing else (Šāh-nāma, Moscow, IX, pp. 2940 v. 534).

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

, I am not a complet retard like you who judges people by their clothes. This arab retarded culture did not spread to me.

Every culture judges people by their clothes, you twit. Your garments are representations of you.

[Khostai]

Every culture judges people by their clothes, you twit. Your garments are representations of you.

Listen you retarded yemeni dog, where did I say we all should dress like that, I just explained why those women dressed like this to foreigner. You being retarded is not my problem, now go and eat some lizards. Or falsify some sources like you always do.

[Khostai]

Agreed. Afghans must distance from Arabic culture as much as possible. I like the Culture of Iranic peoples far better to Arab culture.

While I agree that miniskirt and other revealing/trashy clothing fashion from western is not good, having women covered from top to toe is not a sign of superior culture. I guess I am a fan of pre-Arab/Muslim Iranic/Aryan culture of the region.

Yes, I also find miniskirts quite stupid and wearing them will never do good, I mean nobody going to take you siriously even in Belgium. But this is something private, if a guy or a girl like this type of clothes they should wear it, who are we to stop them, this is just cloths made by other humans if they like that style so be it. Nobody is going to die if they show some skin.

But for this dum sand niggah even tolerating those kind of people is not acceptable, like a typical arab he want everyone to dress and behave like him, becuase they are brought up as slaves and are taught to be obidient and follow the rules of their lizard eating warlords of the past.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Listen you retarded yemeni dog, where did I say we all should dress like that, I just explained why those women dressed like this to foreigner. You being retarded is not my problem, now go and eat some lizards. Or falsify some sources like you always do.

This is all a projection of your own experiences eating European lizards to get asylum. I pity you. lol

Which sources did I falsify?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Yes, I also find miniskirts quite stupid and wearing them will never do good, I mean nobody going to take you siriously even in Belgium. But this is something private, if a guy or a girl like this type of clothes they should wear it, who are we to stop them, this is just cloths made by other humans if they like that style so be it. Nobody is going to die if they show some skin.

But for this dum sand niggah even tolerating those kind of people is not acceptable, like a typical arab he want everyone to dress and behave like him, becuase they are brought up as slaves and are taught to be obidient and follow the rules of their lizard eating warlords of the past.

Well we are society to stop them, this is the role of society to regulate and normalize certain human behaviors

If we just didn't have any standards, we'd be like the Jungle people in the Amazon who run around naked. Miniskirts are just a step away from being like those jungle people.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

AFB is calling his self proclaimed ancestors Lizard eaters.

Self hatred much?

[Firdousi]

Yes, I also find miniskirts quite stupid and wearing them will never do good, I mean nobody going to take you siriously even in Belgium. But this is something private, if a guy or a girl like this type of clothes they should wear it, who are we to stop them, this is just cloths made by other humans if they like that style so be it. Nobody is going to die if they show some skin.

But for this dum sand niggah even tolerating those kind of people is not acceptable, like a typical arab he want everyone to dress and behave like him, becuase they are brought up as slaves and are taught to be obidient and follow the rules of their lizard eating warlords of the past.

Once again this self hater wants to impose Western individualism on his own people. Hilarious.

I find your inferiority complex and slave pride cute, Uncle Tom lol

[Firdousi]

AFB is calling his self proclaimed ancestors Lizard eaters.

Self hatred much?

He is a Tajik-Mongol-Arab Pashtun-European wannabe. This guy got big issues.

[Firdousi]

Most of the elite was Pashtun, so the chance is big that the majority is PAshtun in those pics, Shapur is fake pashtun becuase he has never set foot in Afghanistan and is probably some indian convert, aka punjbaboon.
Back in those day main cities had diffrent cultures from the rural areas, but like in evey country the capital is always more liberal, and this type women saw themself as being modern, they did not think like ow this is western clothing its not really Afghan culture so I should not wear it, they were thinking I am modern and I want modern look so for them this was the modern look....People did not make think that complex as now, when now its is seen bad and provocative to wear even sunglasses in public....They say its as mimiking western culture -_-

Most of those "Pashtun elite" were Persianized. I still know plenty of Muhmmadzai/Musahiban people living in the West: they can't speak one single word of Pashto, they intermarry to Tajiks, they speak Farsi, celebrate Nawrooz, they read and praise Mawlana, Khayyam, Saadi, Hafez or Jami.. and so on.

They are fake Pashtuns. Just like you, brother lol

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

[MENTION=19424]Firdousi[/MENTION]

Even with AFB and Khostai, this whole "lizard eater" remark is something they copied from Persian Nationalists who have a bitter rivalry with Arabs. Yet they both badmouth Persians, and if AFB's ancestry is legit, he's bad mouthing his ancestors, what a mess.

[Firdousi]

[MENTION=19424]Firdousi[/MENTION]

Even with AFB and Khostai, this whole "lizard eater" remark is something they copied from Persian Nationalists who have a bitter rivalry with Arabs. Yet they both badmouth Persians, and if AFB's ancestry is legit, he's bad mouthing his ancestors, what a mess.

The way many Persian nationalist look down on Arabs is plain d*mb. Iranian nationalist just have to look at their GCC neighbors which despite being Arabs enjoy of higher quality of life that they couldn't even dream of.

Khostai is a Western wannabe while AFB is a Pashtun wannabe. Both are confused individuals.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

The way many Persian nationalist look down on Arabs is plain d*mb. Iranian nationalist just have to look at their GCC neighbors which despite being Arabs enjoy of higher quality of life that they couldn't even dream of.

Khostai is a Western wannabe while AFB is a Pashtun wannabe. Both are confused individuals.

In all fairness, I feel it's legitimate to examine people objectively, there's no issue with understanding the drawbacks of Arab societies or Pashtuns or Persians, but without having to denigrate it all or characterize it by oversimplified notions.

Khostai and AFB's cases are purely driven by inferiority issues

[nary]

Soraya T was pretty avant gard. She dressed like a flapper - think bob haircut, a conche (hat), skirt, like raucous twenties.

But that is the only pashtana trawled on the net from that time.

Are you sure she was even Pashtana? From what I know the royal family liked to marry Qizlbash women, that's why the royal family themselves didn't have very Pashtun features.