Do Syed Pakhtuns belong to a tribe.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Okay now im confused. What is a Sad'at because i named a Kunari Syed.

Sad'at is the plural of Sayyed in Arabic

[Adam]

Well we are not talking about south asians.

[Dawar Faudzi]

Wow, its amazing that they have kept records for that long. Do you have the link to the family tree?

Its on the Kakakhel website although according to Badlun it might be fabricated.

[Dawar Faudzi]

Kakakhels are pure blood Pashtuns. They are not at all Arabs. Actually some families because of inferiority or superiority complexes and as Islam was en vogue, so for better prestige invented and fabricated family trees for more importance and attention in Pashtun societies. The same even happened of tracing all Pashtun tribes to Qais Abdul Rashid for credibility that Pashtuns are a better race being Jews or Arabs.

I love Kakakhel Pashtuns , as their contribution to Pashto language is enormous.

Can you give me a link or the name of some books on the history of Kakakhels. Also im curious to know where you learned that Kakakhels are pure blood Pashtuns as their website and Wikipedia says they are of arab descent.

[Adam]

Lol wiki gtfo. Even iran is counted as a part of South Asia on that page.

The definitions of south asia or any region are pretty random, but simply google "south asia" and see how many maps show Afghanistan vs how many show Iran.

[Adam]

Lol so because three Afghans had "indian" genes that means all do. These genetic studies are all politically biased, but you probaby believe in the out of india theory aswell.

No, because the three Afghans who identified as "Arab" aka Syed all had ancestry from india, im not talking about all afghans here lol. Politically biased how?

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Can you show me proof of Syeds from Kunari coming from Syria because i never heard of this.

Go back and read my original post

[Adam]

Just because 3 Afghans that claim arab ancestry (does not have to be syed) have "indian" genes it does not mean all Syed Afghans are converted Hindus. The paper you shared has nothing to do with high caste hindus wanting to keep their status you just added that part in.

There's only one way to find out, test yourself... https://www.23andme.com/

[Kushan Prince]

Kakakhel's are not Arabs, they are Pashtuns. I think Arab ancestry claims in Central and South Asia are really far-fetched, in reality they are just locals who adopted names like "syed" and "Quraish" in honour of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Midnight_Sun posted a link of the genetic relationships of all Afghan ethnic groups in another thread and it showed that so called "Arabs" in Afghanistan were actually nothing more then converted locals who traced their ancestry back to afg and india.

More or less these names are just titles, event the Bangash tribe are rumoured to be of Arab descent but genetic tests say otherwise.

[Kushan Prince]

Says here Sayyids of Kunar are descendents of Mahmud Pacha Sayyid also known as Babu Jan. Sayyid Jamaludin Afghani was according to this one of his descendants as well.
https://books.google.com/books?id=bv...0kunar&f=false

Al-Afghani always claimed to be of Afghan descent not Arab, i don't know why modern historians like to see him as a sayed, maybe some biased beliefs there?

Anyway's didn't so called "Arabs" mostly settle in Kabul and parts of the north like takkhar and Baghlan since they orginally came down north from Bukhara to introduce Islam into Afghanistan?

[Brown Skinned Savage]

How can you be Sayyid and not an Arab. That's like saying you're a Parrot without being a bird.

Unless we mean a fake Sayyid, but if you're a legit Sayyid, this undeniably means Arab ancestry.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

That's more than 1000 years ago of course my ancestors have been fully Pashtunized the the last generation adopted dari.

What the Sad'at of Kunar tell me is that they came in the 16th-17th century. It wasn't 1000 years ago. They came recently.

Now I'm under doubts they're real Sayyids, but I'm pretty sure they came from Syria as they claim because of the Sufi connection. Sufi Pirs used to travel and migrate to lands all the time. I only wish I had access to first hand material.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Your source is sone Laghmani you know not the best source. Also I never heard the worder Syria from my fathers mouth so I doubt we are Syrian.

But Mir Pacha Sahb was a Sufi and the Sufi lineage he's from stems from a Syrian Shaikh.

[Dawar Faudzi]

Kakakhel's are not Arabs, they are Pashtuns. I think Arab ancestry claims in Central and South Asia are really far-fetched, in reality they are just locals who adopted names like "syed" and "Quraish" in honour of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Midnight_Sun posted a link of the genetic relationships of all Afghan ethnic groups in another thread and it showed that so called "Arabs" in Afghanistan were actually nothing more then converted locals who traced their ancestry back to afg and india.

More or less these names are just titles, event the Bangash tribe are rumoured to be of Arab descent but genetic tests say otherwise.

Can you give me some links on where you found out that Kakakhels are pure pashtuns. It's not that I doubt you I am just curious as you are the second person who has said that Kakakhels are pure Pashtuns which suggests that the history and origins of the Kakakhels is well known.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

What are you even talking about? Who is Mir Pacha Sab and what does he have to do with any of this.

Never mind ......DZJ called you out for not speaking Pashto .....I'm starting to doubt your pedigree anyways.

I shouldn't be telling you about our heritage.