wazristan the land of bravest pashtuns,pashtu tarana for loy pashtunistan/afghanistan

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

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[Smarty]

Yaar ghussa mat kar. Tu meri dawat kar Bannu mein, aur hum iski video bhi banatay hain. Ab bataa lala, konsay mazay ke khanay mujay kilai gah?

Dhaal of Bannu is very tasty.

[hk1992]

My parents are from Mardan and malakand in KPK, they are both yusufzai khans, my father told me that the karlani where not true pashtuns from the sense of descent from a common source and that not all the karlani tribes are descendants of karlani alot of them are tribes indigenous to the NWFP region which as Kushan prince correctly states were pashtunized, as they were pashtunized and accepted pastun culture they were added under the karlani pashtuns to give them a sense of unity with the pashtuns in NWFP. A similar situation exists among the yusufzai pashtuns of the NWFP, as the yusufzai came from North afghanistan, when they came to pakistan the area was not empty but inhabited by other people when the yusufzai conquered the land they forced the natives to work on the land as serfs, over time these natives accepted pashtun culture and so they were also called pashtuns but they werent allowed to use the surname Khan, that was kept for proper pashtuns, the serfs were and are still called gharib pashtuns(this doesnt necessarily mean theyre poor just that they are of poor ancestry)these gharib pashtuns call themselves yusufzai although they arent really yusufzai, gharib pashtuns usually use the surname yusufzai to identify themselves i.e malalai yusufzai, most of the people of swat are not yusufzai, half the people of mardan arent yusufzai, most yusufzai live in dir or malakand. Just to give a sense of how the inhabitants of vast parts of KPK are not original pashtun but pashtunized pashtuns.

BTW this isn't an attack on anyone just the truth I've heard from my father and my family back in pakistan. I've even seen the gharib pashtuns who work on my grandads lands, so i am'nt making this up.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

My parents are from Mardan and malakand in KPK, they are both yusufzai khans, my father told me that the karlani where not true pashtuns from the sense of descent from a common source and that not all the karlani tribes are descendants of karlani alot of them are tribes indigenous to the NWFP region which as Kushan prince correctly states were pashtunized, as they were pashtunized and accepted pastun culture they were added under the karlani pashtuns to give them a sense of unity with the pashtuns in NWFP. A similar situation exists among the yusufzai pashtuns of the NWFP, as the yusufzai came from North afghanistan, when they came to pakistan the area was not empty but inhabited by other people when the yusufzai conquered the land they forced the natives to work on the land as serfs, over time these natives accepted pashtun culture and so they were also called pashtuns but they werent allowed to use the surname Khan, that was kept for proper pashtuns, the serfs were and are still called gharib pashtuns(this doesnt necessarily mean theyre poor just that they are of poor ancestry)these gharib pashtuns call themselves yusufzai although they arent really yusufzai, gharib pashtuns usually use the surname yusufzai to identify themselves i.e malalai yusufzai, most of the people of swat are not yusufzai, half the people of mardan arent yusufzai, most yusufzai live in dir or malakand. Just to give a sense of how the inhabitants of vast parts of KPK are not original pashtun but pashtunized pashtuns.

BTW this isn't an attack on anyone just the truth I've heard from my father and my family back in pakistan. I've even seen the gharib pashtuns who work on my grandads lands, so i am'nt making this up.

Partially i agree with you,But genetically Karlani are more superior to any other tribe of pashtuns.

Many won't be but complete family tree of karlani pashtun is already available



Ofcourse their must be mix of them but if you observe it yourself unlike other pashtuns,the karlani pashtuns doesnt follow the concept of getting marriage into any other race.karlani pashtuns marriage is mostly within their own.

On the other hand tribes like yousufzai doesnt really care about this and they marry even indian let alone other races of pakistan

[gadoonwal]

My parents are from Mardan and malakand in KPK, they are both yusufzai khans, my father told me that the karlani where not true pashtuns from the sense of descent from a common source and that not all the karlani tribes are descendants of karlani alot of them are tribes indigenous to the NWFP region which as Kushan prince correctly states were pashtunized, as they were pashtunized and accepted pastun culture they were added under the karlani pashtuns to give them a sense of unity with the pashtuns in NWFP. A similar situation exists among the yusufzai pashtuns of the NWFP, as the yusufzai came from North afghanistan, when they came to pakistan the area was not empty but inhabited by other people when the yusufzai conquered the land they forced the natives to work on the land as serfs, over time these natives accepted pashtun culture and so they were also called pashtuns but they werent allowed to use the surname Khan, that was kept for proper pashtuns, the serfs were and are still called gharib pashtuns(this doesnt necessarily mean theyre poor just that they are of poor ancestry)these gharib pashtuns call themselves yusufzai although they arent really yusufzai, gharib pashtuns usually use the surname yusufzai to identify themselves i.e malalai yusufzai, most of the people of swat are not yusufzai, half the people of mardan arent yusufzai, most yusufzai live in dir or malakand. Just to give a sense of how the inhabitants of vast parts of KPK are not original pashtun but pashtunized pashtuns.

BTW this isn't an attack on anyone just the truth I've heard from my father and my family back in pakistan. I've even seen the gharib pashtuns who work on my grandads lands, so i am'nt making this up.

It looks like a mugal hired khan wrote the history of yousuzai and other pashtun.
Some of the point you mention are corect but i do not agree with your whole post.
your grandad said something with no such evidence the reality is something els.

The yousufzais first moved from kandar to kabul region where the vali of kabul mugal Ulol Baig defeated them and were forced towards east.They migrated TO PESHWARA valley where they fight with dilazak pashtuns for 20 years but could,nt defeat them so later their allied tribes such as khalil,uthmankhel and jaduns arrived and finally they got control over peshwar valley.
In topi-swabi region they defeated tanolis and pushed them back accross indus river.
Your claim to say only khanan are yousufzais is fake and not true.
When they arrived many of them serve the mugal and got the title of khan .The ghareb pashtuns with no tribal link are called ,,kasabgar,,and yes,they are pashtunised but they are in smaller number.
Later british used the title of khan bahadur for many khans..

The malakand agency the upper malakand (batkhela area) is dominated by ranizais a sub-tribe of yousufzais less then half of them are ranizais.They were the loyal servant of mugals and britishes.They also opposed the pashtun movement led by bacha khan baba.
Centuries ago the ranizais and swatains did,nt co-operate with khushal baba against mugal.In his ,,swat nama,, khushal baba called them mugali and not true pashtuns.
But SOMEWHERE i read only three famlies of pashtuns moved to malakand and settled in batkhela area four five centuries ago however today they claim to be ranizais.A large number of paracha and gujars also lived in malakand.The people of lower malakand like sakkhakot area are shalmani-pashtuns.
There are many sub-tribes of other pashtuns now emerge with yousufzaias.
The people of Dir are malezais but they also claim to be of yousuzai origin.
In Dir the Malizais are nearly half many gujar and kohistanis also lived there.There are some mashvani pashtuns also lived in Dir

The area wich is 100% dominated by yousufzais is the Distt of tor ghar.They still wear the afghani-khat and very cultural.
The swat region is also pashtunised where many people claim to be yousufzais but thats not true.Only few of them could be pashtuns.Most of them are gujran,parachgan,kasabgar,daman,kostanian and akhond etc.
There is day and night difference between swati yousufzais and others.
The yousufzais of tor ghar,amazai etc are very hardliner pashtuns.
Yousufzais are also divided into two major group mandarn-yousufzais and yousufzais.
The mandarn-yousufzais are in majority in swabi and mardan as well as in chamla,khodakhel (bunir).
The mandarn- yousufzais are higly educated and very nationalists type of pashtuns.
All of the above the origin of yousufzais pashtun also not very clear some said they are from region somewhere in syria and later migrated to afghanistan.They could be pashtunised or or sarabanis god knows.
Do,nt take me wrong ,i realy like mardanwal,swabiwal,torgharwal and amazai yousufzais etc.This is what i find and shared with you all.

the karlani

are the real and true pashtuns.Their area on both side of durandline was called ,,pakhtya,,
They are the original pashtuns of pakhtunkhwa.According to khushal baba the karlanis are also from sarbani sect.
The home of mangal pashtun was Banu but they moved from here to paktya.The suranis and banusi are originally from paktya region of afghanistan.
You can not compare the yousufzais and many sub-tribe of sarbani with karlani pashtuns.
The karlanis are very fair,strong belt and warrior type pashtuns.
No one defeat them yet and they fought with invaders.

[gadoonwal]

Partially i agree with you,But genetically Karlani are more superior to any other tribe of pashtuns.

Many won't be but complete family tree of karlani pashtun is already available



Ofcourse their must be mix of them but if you observe it yourself unlike other pashtuns,the karlani pashtuns doesnt follow the concept of getting marriage into any other race.karlani pashtuns marriage is mostly within their own.

On the other hand tribes like yousufzai doesnt really care about this and they marry even indian let alone other races of pakistan

Many ponits from ,,pata khazana,,book are rejected and wrong.
Pashtuns are not recent or 1500 years old race as claim in that book.
Qais abdurashed was not the ancester of all pashtuns not even sarbanis.
The karlanis are native to their area.They do,nt even mix up with other pashtuns.They are very proud and follow the code of pakhtunwali more then others.you can,nt macth them with yousufzais,khalil,mamand etc.
They are fair and look like to be true pashtun from their appearance.

An afghan historain asad popalzai very knowledgable person said that the karlanis pashtu was the real and old one.
The durani pashtu is very much infllunce by farsi cus their original home was westren afghanistan.
Kandahar was the home of ghilzais later duranis moved there.

[Pakwatan]

[MENTION=1068]gadoonwal[/MENTION] saab,

Yeh sunno zara

https://soundcloud.com/alina-khan-marwat/sets/convo-b-w-a-suicide-bomber-his

I am Punjabi, so I may not be someone to listen to. But I heard this song. It made me cry. This really made me cry, I love my Pashtun brothers, more than Sindhi aur Baluchis. I hope we can can all come to peace.

You can insult us Punjabis as much as you want. And I am not against you either. My best friend is a pathan Shinwari, and he was more trustworthy than other Punjabis guys. Rajput or whatever. I love pathans and pasthuns. You guys are trustworthy people. Most of you pathans are *******s, and especially the Afghans, but my friends that are Pathans are AWESOME. I can trust my life with them. I will say that pathan friends are the best. No one else can compare. If they want you to eat, then they will feed you the best, from their house.

I know all the pathans are not good, but my friend Shinwari, proved to me that he is my best friend. I trust him more than my own cousins.

Listen to this song, that Arooj Khan has sent. It makes me cry. We are all Pakistani people, and we are the most happy when we are helping each other. I hope you nationalists realize ke haam aam Pakistani pathano ki kitni izzat karte hain. : )

[gadoonwal]

@gadoonwal saab,

Yeh sunno zara

https://soundcloud.com/alina-khan-ma...ide-bomber-his

I am Punjabi, so I may not be someone to listen to. But I heard this song. It made me cry. This really made me cry, I love my Pashtun brothers, more than Sindhi aur Baluchis. I hope we can can all come to peace.

You can insult us Punjabis as much as you want. And I am not against you either. My best friend is a pathan Shinwari, and he was more trustworthy than other Punjabis guys. Rajput or whatever. I love pathans and pasthuns. You guys are trustworthy people. Most of you pathans are *******s, and especially the Afghans, but my friends that are Pathans are AWESOME. I can trust my life with them. I will say that pathan friends are he best. No one else can compare. If they want you to eat, then they will feed you the best,

I know all the pathans are not good, but my friend Shinwari, proved to me that he is my best friend. I trust him more than my own cousins.

Listen to this song, that Arooj Khan has sent. It makes me cry. We are all Pakistani people, nad we are the most happy when we are helping each other. I hope you nationalists realize ke haam aam Pakistani pathani ki kitni izzat karte hain. : )

zwana/jawan
pakwatan,,
no one hate your race or punjabis here.
Punjab is an area where the original people are jat and rajpot etc.Many bukharis,pashtuns,arabs,kashmiris also live there for centiries and now speak punjabi and seraikis.
Your region Bawalpore have many tareen pashtuns.
Same in multan where popalzais lived.
I oppose the pakistani establishment which is dominated by punjabis.
I hate this establishment and its anti-pashtun policies.
The ordinary punjabis are human biengs like pashtuns.
I never insult them as a race but opposed their establishment,s anti-afghan and pashtun policies.we have begerat pashtuns too .I am realistic and will never hide our weak side.So i do,nt see any reason for superiority complex.
If we were that great punjabis will never rule us.They are playing in afghan politis cus we are weak and not strong as much as punjabis.
When zardari was renaming pashtunkhwa only punjabis opposed it not sindis or baluchis so you need to understand why people dislike punjabis.
Also punjabis support kalabag dam which all other pashtun,baluch and sindis opposed it.
So we fully understand punjabi establishment,s anti-pakhtun policies and we will opposed it untill the last movement of our lives.
why should we give up our identity,history and homeland for the sake of jinah,s pakistan which is a big shame for the whole muslim umma.

I ordered all young kids of my family if they ever mix up urdu or english into holy pashtu there will punishment.

[Pakwatan]

zwana/jawan
pakwatan,,
no one hate your race or punjabis here.
Punjab is an area where the original people are jat and rajpot etc.Many bukharis,pashtuns,arabs,kashmiris also live there for centiries and now speak punjabi and seraikis.
Your region Bawalpore have many tareen pashtuns.
Same in multan where popalzais lived.
I oppose the pakistani establishment which is dominated by punjabis.
I hate this establishment and its anti-pashtun policies.
The ordinary punjabis are human biengs like pashtuns.
I never insult them as a race but opposed their establishment,s anti-afghan and pashtun policies.we have begerat pashtuns too .I am realistic and will never hide our weak side.So i do,nt see any reason for superiority complex.
If we were that great punjabis will never rule us.They are playing in afghan politis cus we are weak and not strong as much as punjabis.
When zardari was renaming pashtunkhwa only punjabis opposed it not sindis or baluchis so you need to understand why people dislike punjabis.
Also punjabis support kalabag dam which all other pashtun,baluch and sindis opposed it.
So we fully understand punjabi establishment,s anti-pakhtun policies and we will opposed it untill the last movement of our lives.
why should we give up our identity,history and homeland for the sake of jinah,s pakistan which is a big shame for the whole muslim umma.

I ordered all young kids of my family if they ever mix up urdu or english into holy pashtu there will punishment.

I agree with you about everything. But I disagree with you insulting Jinnah. He was the the only one that wanted Muslims to have their own state. That is the truth.

[gadoonwal]

pakwatan,
why the islamic leader of that time opposed jinah,s plan.
dear,the meeting took place in the home of qadyani sir aga khan a british servant to creat muslim league to divide india for the british interests.
wallah,if the muslims from moroco to indonesia creat one muslim country i will support it.
But please try to undersatnd.
First of all there is no such thing in islam like islamic republic of pakistan.
islam is religion with no boundries.
why the muslims suffering in pakistan?
cus its system and its creation was to serve the westren interests.
Jinah sahib was pork lover and was not even muslim.
He just used this name to make fool of muslisms.
Why joint the congress in the start and become its leader.
Do,nt forget he was very clever ,educated and indian nationalist so the british decided to use him for the division of india.

[hk1992]

gadoonwal, dont get me wrong I amnt saying the karlani are inferior to other pashtun tribes, in fact from what ive seen the only true pashtuns left in pakistan are karlani pashtuns as yusufzai pashtuns are by far and away the biggest traitors to pashtuns in the entire NWFP, they are the ones who are the most in favour of pakistans millitary operations against pashtuns. If any of the pashtuns are going to bring pashtuns back as a major power it will probably be the pashtuns of the FATA region, which is why the pakistani army so aggressively attacks that area and allows the US to drone strike that area as well.

[gadoonwal]

gadoonwal, dont get me wrong I amnt saying the karlani are inferior to other pashtun tribes, in fact from what ive seen the only true pashtuns left in pakistan are karlani pashtuns as yusufzai pashtuns are by far and away the biggest traitors to pashtuns in the entire NWFP, they are the ones who are the most in favour of pakistans millitary operations against pashtuns. If any of the pashtuns are going to bring pashtuns back as a major power it will probably be the pashtuns of the FATA region, which is why the pakistani army so aggressively attacks that area and allows the US to drone strike that area as well.

i forgot to welcome you to pashtunforum so first of all.
pa khair raglay,,,
very well said,i fully agree with you here.
Brother we also have people like munir orakzai and akhon zada chatan both tribal but very pakipied and the loyal servant of punjab.
The karlanis will play a big role in the future pashtun state.
They are still not much influence by pakism.All we need sincere leadership.
Most pashtun leaders are hired and sold out to establishment.
It is fact.I know them very and spoken to them many time.

[Smarty]

[MENTION=11054]hk1992[/MENTION]
There is no standard catagorization among pakhtuns that which one is superior tribe and which one is inferior. If you go by ground realities, then southern tribes look down upon northern tribes (yousafzai etc). Highlander pashtuns look down upon lowlanders. Your yousafzai tribe is lowlander and is not only viewed inferior by highlanders of FATA but also by southern tribes beyond kohat tunnel.....so lets not go into debates which tribe is superior and which one is not. Karlani as adopted son and ghiljay as child born out of wedlock, are stories created by their rival lodhi sultans of india...

[Smarty]

And unlike lowlanders, highlanders of FATA do not have "kasabgars", pashtunized native populations among them......And gadoowal ir right about yousafzais of black mountains, torghar......British carried out many military operations in torghar to subdue them, they failed to do so....it still has reputation of ilaq-e-ghair in hazara.
1- Pakhtuns of malakand only military effort against british was in 1897, after that they were effectively integrated by british administration.
2- pakhtuns of peshawer valley (Mardan, charsada etc) never resisted british militarily. Infact they are notorious for heavy recruitment in british army like punjabis.
3- pakhtuns of kohat, karak were also loyal to british raj, they also were favourite people to be recruited in british army.
4- Pakhtuns of bannu , lakki and DI khan...they also have no history against british

These pashtun tribes of NWFP were o.k with british rule and are also o.k with punjabi rule.

[hk1992]

After the siege of malakand the british inflence over the malakand region waned significantly, Also in Mardan and Malakand most Khans were bought off by the british to keep resistance to there rule low, there was very little if any british administration over these areas, but the local khans were traitors and were happy to take money from the british in return for suppressing any rebellions against them. The yusufzai khans have always had an extremely greedy mentality from the very beginning when they came to pakistan and colonised the NWFP, they have also never really believed in pashtunism but more in there own khanship, which is why they never really took part in pashtun resistance against invaders in the last 400 years or so. Personally I belive this attitude arose from the time when the yusufzai lived in afghanistan and there leaders were assassinated by babur, realistically this couldnt have happened unless the afghan pashtuns were also at least silently complicit with this, which I think resulted in the yusufzai feeling that they couldn't trust anyone other than themselves. I amnt justifying yusufzai behaviour just trying to explain how it came about. Also I dont get what you said about lowlander the yusufzai are half highlander and half lowlander, the mandarn yusufzai are lowlander and the yusufzai of malakand are highlander, so the yusufzai are really both. Also I agree most yusufzai are OK with british and punjabi rule, but there are also some who aren't. The biggest Issue in my opinion is that if all the pashtuns of the FATA and NWFP region are united in a common cause it would be very easy to gain partition from pakistan, this is however unlikely right now, but if the TTP can shift operations to the settled areas of NWFP and the pakistani army repeats its heavy handed behaviour in NWFP the people will all finally turn against the Pakistani army and you will probably also see large defections of pashtuns from the army. It may sound a little far-fetched but I think it is one of the few ways to wake up the Pashtuns of NWFP, as long as pashtuns everywhere have not shared in the suffering of there pashtun brothers then the fantasy of pakistan will continue.