womens role in pashtunwali.

[faye]

false dichotomy Faye, I'm not advocating American culture.

I'm aware of America's flaws and when dealing with Americans I voice them. It's the Pashtuns turn to be on the hot seat.

by the way the depleted uranium card is getting a little over used. It almost seems like you're exploiting the victims of depleted Uranium just to boost your egotistic forum rants. Which is pretty pathological if you ask me.

well, it's not like depleted uranium, with a half life of 4.5 billion years, has suddenly disappeared now, is it? your scientists allowing the world to be poisoned with the sh** they create, is a sore point for you. would you like that swept under the carpet now?

pathological, is a whitewashed american, death metal fan, who has little real life experience, thinking he is the one to tell millions of pashtuns how to run their lives.
they will work it out.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

well, it's not like depleted uranium has suddenly disappeared now, is it? your scientists polluting the world with the sh** they create, is a sore point for you. would you like that swept under the carpet now?

pathological, is a whitewashed american, death metal fan, who has little real life experience, thinking he is the one to tell millions of pashtuns how to run their lives.
they will work it out.

Bravo Faye' you've once again created the appropriate smokescreen and false caricature to justify exploiting others suffering for your arrogant agenda.

Harping on depleting uranium when the issue is the gross abuses on women is a pathetic excuse for regaining ground in a failed argument. Especially considering I was the one who informed everyone on this forum about depleted uranium and environmental pollution. I think the sweeping under the rug more aptly applies to your pathological agenda here.

[faye]

really? and do you tell that to dr miraki, that he should not talk about D.U. because he is exploiting others suffering?

like you care about women. if you cared about pashtun women you wouldn't leave your juvenile crude droppings all over a pashtun forum. you would be encouraging their participation on pf.

so as a non worldly, inexperienced male, who hasn't reached manhood yet, tell us what culture and morals you plan to indoctrinate pashtuns with. morals of science and assassination teams to bump off women who don't conform?

[khushal]

i found this explanation very clear and as i suspected, gave information on how women have a much more important role, than the cliched, 'locked in the house', description.
it also talks about the difficulty upholding the rules of the pashtun society, under the urban living, central government control and displacement situation.

so..is it correct?

http://www.law.harvard.edu/programs/...arch/kakar.pdf

I disagree with parts of it but most of it is correct. Pashtunwali evolves to different circumstances, for example the nomadic kochis practice it differently from the settled pashtuns and the urban pashtuns practice it differently from the rurals.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

I don't have to say anything to Dr. Miraki because Dr. Miraki isn't some manipulative and ego hurt Australian who tosses Depleted Uranium out on issues even as far removed as whether Quantum Physics can tell us more about reality than the ramblings of some Aboriginal fool.

Actually it's precisely because I care about women I speak frankly about any topic at any time. I don't see women as subordinates to me so I don't see any need to "shelter them" from my words. What prevents women from particpating is precisely the ignorant backwards thinking you and the woman hating Fanatic Lot you're trying to grope for support by taking gripe with me ...all possess. That thinking being that women are incapable of making decisions and handling challenges ON THEIR OWN...thus it's you who push this anxiety on women that feel they must "shy away" from society if it's not pretty and pink and filled with daffodils.

You are no authority on manhood or womanhood for that matter And you wouldn't know either if it smashed you over prunish head.

I think women anywhere would rather take my ..how did you put it "crude droppings" ...Then getting a Black Eye from Manzareh because they wore make up or DARED to have a career that he didn't approve of. But of course ....since your priority on this forum is how many ways you can sneak "depleted uranium" into ANY topic so that people who want to brutalize disempowered women have more justification for doing so...things like human liberty and dignity is the least thing on your mind.

[faye]

ah, scimitar. our resident pf, 'sensitive new age guy'.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Well I doubt that but I'm sure Afghan women would appreciate that than some privileged white parasite saying "Pashtuns will figure it out" and appeasing those that do injustices to them in the name of cultural customs

[faye]

why? you are going to be the one to figure it out for them?
so, tell us all about your culture and morals, that you will teach the pashtuns, dear.
still waiting for your enlightenment.

since you don't appear to be a practising muslim, into pretending you're a big stud, but with little respect for women, into satanic music and wanting to create a muslim, neo hashashin team that kills women who don't comply to your idea of what must be, this should be interesting.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

is this some kooky fantasy you invented out of your own histrionic disorder? You've been on the Shaman's "peace pipe" too long Faye.

[faye]

lol..down to that level already and have nothing to offer?
shows you have been 'checkmated'.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

well at this point all you're doing is maiking personal jabs and fabricating stuff. so what else is there? clearly you're angsty because what I said hits home. So it's me checkmating you. enjoy it.

[Kushan Prince]

What i have noticed here in the west is that most family s get their pashtun daughters engaged while they are still in high school. I know this one family who got their daughter engaged to a man who is 22 while she is 17, she is in Canada while he is in Afghanistan and they communicate that far too. I don't why some pashtuns do this but i don't like it.

[faye]

well at this point all you're doing is maiking personal jabs and fabricating stuff. so what else is there? clearly you're angsty because what I said hits home. So it's me checkmating you. enjoy it.

no dear, i am laughing at the immature male, who finds women on youtube to perve on, talks of women as though they are mere shapely lumps of meat, who has the delusion that he is the saviour of pashtun women and who is into high school 'checkmating', lol.

still nothing to offer, for your reformation of pashtun society?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Viewing women as "shapely" lumps of meat doesn't deprive them of basic needs and rights, it doesn't adversely affect their well being (unless they allow it to) it doesn't prevent them from acquiring a job, from seeking out healthcare, from not being forced into a sexual relationship against their will.

In fact for all practical senses, it's completely harmless; what harms women is saying to everything that's being done to them under the guise of twisted morality, the forced marriages, the selling bride price, the abuse and torture is something for the males to "figure out someday" that they shouldn't be doing. Maybe you should view women as shapely lumps of meat more and something to "figure out someday" less.

[Manzareh]

Topic - Women

RTR: "Pashtuns are backwards in regards to women!"

Pashtuns: "Whats the soloution?"

RTR: "We need to view them as shapely lumps of meat! "