Pashtun system of marriage has benefits...

[faye]

disgusting ego driven sickness?.....stop projecting.

you always get hysterical and make false accusations, when i corner you on your hypocrisy. try to stay calm and logical.

your fragile ego is your achilles heel. makes a great target.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

No you're just in a panic because you've exposed yourself as a pedophile apologist. Next time hold off when you get your ego all coiled up with some neurotic need to vindicate something which is morally corrupt. Oh wait , you're going to somehow parlay this into depleted uranium aren't you? Well I guess since There's depleted Uranium issues, young girls being subject to torture for the rest of their live is a trivial matter, Old Faye just needs to worry that her luxurious beach resort waters are not contaminated so she can sunbathe and swim all day in comfort.

[faye]

did you make that all up by yo lil ole self?

[Catya Sher]

I have not read all the way through the remarks, but the earlier pages were
quite interesting. Thanks to all the contributors to those first pages.

I returned to post this update from the same woman who wrote the initial article.

She said she was so miserable all this time. [Of course, the Westerners were
trying to shoo her - or shoehorn her ! - into their ONLY solution for trauma :
going to a "therapist". That will never help ANYONE. Except the bank account
of the therapist. Most therapists are Jewish or somehow into that same dynamic of worship of Psychology instead of God....same situation as the ancient Hebrews worshipping the Golden Calf after being given the Commandments by Prophet Musa.

Anyway, here is what the poor victim of what develops to be truly a SCAM
on her from an entire FAMILY writes :

"today i find out that his mum is back in the house they are really enjoying the life and it was all planned in family to do this with me. well this time now i declare a war. because had enough how Dare they..

also i have been told after couple of years his mother is planning to make him married again. which is disguisting."

So really beware, everyone ! These outright "cons" are going to increase
by multiples in the next years.

Don't trust anyone your family has not known for awhile ! Check them out
REALLY carefully. Don't believe any garbage about schools they claim to
have attended or graduated from ; check ALL out before even talking to them
further. I mean of course prospective marriage prospects ; but also
even business partners or associates or really ANYONE - THESE days in the
Western countries.

Don't ever think your own "smarts" can shield you. No.

These psychopaths, sociopaths, etc. are so clever they have easily fooled
a major expert and pioneer writer on the subject named Cleckley. He wrote
The Mask of Sanity, a textbook on this topic.

Yet he admitted freely that he had been conned himself by the patients he
was studying.

So if a top researcher in the precise field got completely fooled, so can you be,
or your parents, who are not used to this kind of evil behavior.
It wouldn't work at home, where everyone knows everyone and there is
shame in front of the entire tribe to bear - FOREVER !

It does work here in the West due to the anonymity factor. People move around every year, some escaping problems they have created.
There is no way to check them without extensive effort. Probably not worth it,
but just avoid these [supposed] "Charmers" who have no substance inside.

[Catya Sher]

Here is the honest emotional disclosure of the woman author's reactions to being victimized by such creeps. This could have been prevented by proper
consultation among the parents and maybe grandmothers involved, as well as
proper research too. That includes seeking out the former girlfriend if possible and seeing if she would spill the beans about the guy. They apparently are GLAD to expose the evil done to them.
No one should shy away from that option.
Or, if a previous wife calls the new prospective wife, which often also occurs, to warn her, she should NOT hang up the phone in derision ! But be receptive and
listen carefully to whatever disclosures are made.

Ask any questions that arise, because maybe the opportunity will NOT be available again, even if the situation seems amicable. Make use of the one chance to get the full information needed about the prospective husband's background ! Be smart, don't feel self-conscious or embarrassed.

Better to find out well in advance and avert such a fate as this woman suffered, the emotional and other repercussions of which drag on and stop one's life and progress :


"the past few months I am going thru hell, and what I realise is that I am finding [it] hard to forgive me self, because every time I start thinking the thought of being used bring tears in my eyes that how badly I was being used.

This is something i am finding hard to get over.

it hurt every day every moment

[Azmal]

Nice try crypto atheist ikhwani. I never commented on the 2 to 1 ratio except to show PF colleagues your attempt to attack Surah baqarah. Now please address that. Now go find mullah Omar and fight him so that a Canadian doesn't have to be your proxie.

Abdul de paki mule,
Speaking of proxie....how about you pakis stop your shameful exploitation of deprived and brutalized Afghan youths nurtured in your refugee ghettos and indoctrinated in your immoral “madrassahs” so to wage your precious army’s wars against India and Afghanistan…and only then we will ask Cankos and rest to leave. Do we have a deal hu? Seriously how Pakistanis can pretend velour in place of what is otherwise a stupendous display of national cowardice is a charm only Pakistanis can lay claim to.

[khushal]

^^If you cant protect yourself against your own people, then there is something wrong with you. If the people are challenging its government, then that government either has to change its behavior or replaced with the people choosing.

[Azmal]

Yes but it doesn't say follow him in "everything" ; a male can't have 13 wives, but he had 13. The Wives of the Prophet were REQUIRED to face veil, but it's not required for everyone else. That's why in Islamic Law the minimum age is not "9" the age is Balagha, and Balagha can happen in variety of ages for Aisha(ra) it was 9. That's why I say she was exceptional; since most females are not developed by then. That's why it was "ordained" otherwise it would not be.

So to make a custom which forces underaged women to marry is not based on Islam; it's based on culture.

Mahmood,
13 wives is not a good example as Quran limits number of wives to 4…”not everyone is Prophet Mohammad.” Is very political answer I must say…The important question is "At age x was Aisha given the chance to decide for herself?" This is the ultimate question.
Ps: I have no problem with what people practice or believe...as long as they don’t shovel it in our throat—prophet action and deeds are timeless and we should live our life as he did 1400 years ago.

[khushal]

Mahmood,
13 wives is not a good example as Quran limits number of wives to 4…”not everyone is Prophet Mohammad.” Is very political answer I must say…The important question is "At age x was Aisha given the chance to decide for herself?" This is the ultimate question.
Ps: I have no problem with what people practice or believe...as long as they don’t shovel it in our throat—prophet action and deeds are timeless and we should live our life as he did 1400 years ago.

Then why do you need foreign forces to shovel your own will down afghan throats. Is that not hypocritical of you?

[Azmal]

^^If you cant protect yourself against your own people, then there is something wrong with you. If the people are challenging its government, then that government either has to change its behavior or replaced with the people choosing.

You’re confusing these orphans refugee nurtured in Paki refugee ghettos and indoctrinated in paki immoral “madrassahs” so to wage their coward nation’s wars against Afghanistan—challenging of Kabul government with Afghan people’s. If Afghan people oppose a government they will raise up like they did in Kunar, Herat and countless villages and towns in 79s…they won’t stick a bomb in their rectum in order to score some point.
These terrorist and bloody actions—suicide bombing—sticking a bomb in their ass(suicide bomber against afghan intelligence chief.) is actually Pakistan fears that a strong Afghanistan would pose a serious threat to her territorial integrity, because of Durand line and unwilling of any government in Kabul to accept this imaginary line as border. This is because the creation of Pakistan has a country in itself is rooted in controversy… even if we accept that an individual's religious affinity bypass his or her political and economic inspirations (separation of Panjab and Sind from India) there is NO rational what’s so ever by dividing eastern pashtons from Afghanistan!
Thus the Pakistan's military elites want to pursue the strategic goal of Pakistan, which consisted of having a puppet government in place in Kabul and a fragile economy, kept Afghanistan dependent on Pakistan both economically and politically. Since an economically prosperous and militarily strong Afghanistan is a threat to Pakistan’s existence; Pakistan's military has always feared that a strong Afghanistan would dispute the current border between the two countries. In addition, an economically prosperous Afghanistan would become more attractive to Pashtuns and Balochis who live in Pakistan, which is the result of their cultural affinity with the Afghans. Therefore, according to Pakistan's military leaders, a functioning government in Afghanistan would pose an existential threat to Pakistan.

[Azmal]

Then why do you need foreign forces to shovel your own will down afghan throats. Is that not hypocritical of you?

I bet you don't consider those Arab and pakis foreigner hu?

[khushal]

I bet you don't consider those Arab and pakis foreigner hu?

According to the CIA, there are none in afghanistan. But you cant use the argument that 160,000+ foreign soldiers are needed to fight a couple of arabs and pakis. There is something wrong with you that your own people don't want you and are willing to die to get rid of you.
And if the Pakis can brainwash afghans in their refugee camps why cant you do the same on the afghan side, almost all of the afghans are on the afghan side of the border. Why wont the people side with you.

[khushal]

You’re confusing these orphans refugee nurtured in Paki refugee ghettos and indoctrinated in paki immoral “madrassahs” so to wage their coward nation’s wars against Afghanistan—challenging of Kabul government with Afghan people’s. If Afghan people oppose a government they will raise up like they did in Kunar, Herat and countless villages and towns in 79s…they won’t stick a bomb in their rectum in order to score some point.
These terrorist and bloody actions—suicide bombing—sticking a bomb in their ass(suicide bomber against afghan intelligence chief.) is actually Pakistan fears that a strong Afghanistan would pose a serious threat to her territorial integrity, because of Durand line and unwilling of any government in Kabul to accept this imaginary line as border. This is because the creation of Pakistan has a country in itself is rooted in controversy… even if we accept that an individual's religious affinity bypass his or her political and economic inspirations (separation of Panjab and Sind from India) there is NO rational what’s so ever by dividing eastern pashtons from Afghanistan!
Thus the Pakistan's military elites want to pursue the strategic goal of Pakistan, which consisted of having a puppet government in place in Kabul and a fragile economy, kept Afghanistan dependent on Pakistan both economically and politically. Since an economically prosperous and militarily strong Afghanistan is a threat to Pakistan’s existence; Pakistan's military has always feared that a strong Afghanistan would dispute the current border between the two countries. In addition, an economically prosperous Afghanistan would become more attractive to Pashtuns and Balochis who live in Pakistan, which is the result of their cultural affinity with the Afghans. Therefore, according to Pakistan's military leaders, a functioning government in Afghanistan would pose an existential threat to Pakistan.

I will let this afghan answer your post and if your an afghan, which your not, you would be able to reply appropriately:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usnKM-GBNzY

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Mahmood,
13 wives is not a good example as Quran limits number of wives to 4…”not everyone is Prophet Mohammad.” Is very political answer I must say…The important question is "At age x was Aisha given the chance to decide for herself?" This is the ultimate question.
Ps: I have no problem with what people practice or believe...as long as they don’t shovel it in our throat—prophet action and deeds are timeless and we should live our life as he did 1400 years ago.

It's a relevant answer .....because our reliigion decides what is right based o what he did.

Prophet mUhammad(saw) had Wahy ....NO Pashtun ever in the world's history ever had wahy. the lack of divine guidance is enough that the things Prophet Muhammad(saw) did must ONLY be restricted to what he ordered. NOT what was allowed for HIM.

[khushal]

So are you going to prove me wrong Azmal. Are you able to answer that afghan man since you claim to be an afghan. What say you?