Pashtun Matters?

[Dinosaur Khan]

@Mesbah
According to pashtuniyat a syed, mullah, chamar etc are not pashtuns.... you have to digest this harsh fact.

@bls
That is the reason that pashtuns in foriegn are mostly joining pashtun forums.

When i pointed that magority pashtuns of homeland have not mindset like you people due other priorities in life, you simply deny it. atleast agree with me on daylight facts.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Yaraa Jodigul I never said that all pashtuns have the same mindset as me. I don't remember ever saying this. BTW in no country do people have the same mindset, and not everyone bothers with politics and policy. That is pretty much why any and every state gets away with swindling the people. We all have priorities in life, and not everyone in diaspora are into these issues either. These are a few people whether here or at home that bother with this.

[Dinosaur Khan]

Uff due to poor english i always can not explain my point clearly
Any how sorry for my memory i think it was leavany zalmay who claimed that magority of pakhtuns in pakistan are anti-state.
my point of view:
Due to military operations, anger has grown towards governament but there is not a bit of rebellion among pashtuns like balochs (except wazirs & mehsuds)

[tor_khan]

^Stop throwing sarcastic arrows and try to understand what i wrote.
a 50 or 80 year old senior will be not of much help if he is not born in pakhtunkhwa and has not spent much years there. Seniors like tor khan, moks and bls r hardly aware of much of pashtun culture, food and traditions.
Your "real pashtun issues" is totally relative . i.e for me real pashtun issues are political issues unlike issue of identity and langauge crisis of yours.

د ټولو نه مخكى زه د چيرته نه راغلم او بيا پيغور ته څه ضرورت دے؟

I don't consider myself a master scholar of Pashtoon matters, and just like the next student here, I find it distasteful for anyone to speak with that level of scorn if someone makes the attempt.

There are many drund Pukhtoons here. Whether I get the honour to be called such, is not up to me. I will probably never quite fit that description, because as you say, I live outside Pakhtunkhwa and I clearly don't know about food, culture and traditions. Even though I try to avoid the middle-class hangups that I've picked up over the years; I should be pushed to one side and apologise for carrying a non-Pakistani passport. (That is what this is about, I suspect).

Mesbah's attempts at trying to generate an important debate about what we can all learn from this forum, should at least have been given a chance. It is no fault of anyone here that they have been born or raised overseas - these kinds of things have been pre-decided by poverty, war, instability etc. It is deeply unfair to mock people's attempts at keeping their cultural links alive and trying to forge new strengths. It is after all, people's connection to their Pashtoon heritage and culture that brings them here, and this should be commended and not attacked.

Think how even in the homeland, how many Pashtoons have been lost to Panjabee language, Urdu language, English language, Farsi etc.? 'Foreign' Pashtoons should at least be given the benefit of doubt.

Let me share something with you.

One of the most accomodating Pashtoons I know is from Khost. In some ways we come from two different places in terms of our life experiences, but this doesn't interfere with our friendship. Our families happen to know each other pretty well and he is now one of my most trusted friends.

I find him inspirational for two main reasons (1) he sees the Islam in all people, including non-Muslims (2) he doesn't talk about nationality or birthplace - with a genuine smile he uses Pashto with everyone and only Pashto. Whenever I am introduced to new Afghan friends, he 'shows' me off with pride and they commend me on keeping up with my Pashtooniyat.

His words are simple - an apple tree bears the same fruit whatever soil it is planted in. He is talking about my parents.

I guess perhaps, it starts here and our forum members have much to be proud of.

[Dinosaur Khan]

^Her problem was worth considering and genuine but her way of presenting it was totally wrong. She should have said that for people like her members r requested to post more about pashto langauge and literature. Instead she labelled her (and other's) deficiencies as "real pashtun issues", that was beyond my understanding. e.g my family is poor so for me poverty is real pashtun issue, it is relative and depend on person.

[*Mahzala*]

Jodigul, sahi waye. I could have worded it better. Kho, te hum nor de ghwa kesa pregda. Amaagha yawe khabere ta zor me warkawa. Ze manem che pe ghalat raqam da khabera me wurhande krhela, kho tey wes klaka me neesa kana. I really don't like repeating myself, but for your sakes, as you might have seen it as selfish (highlights) ... Ho, au yawa bela khabera. Ke sta na nekeegi, no gham mekawa. Nor der kasaan di che ghwarhi da khabere worhande wesi, au bahs pe woki. Au kawu baye InshaAllah che peke sta, de aghoy, au zema faida ba wi. Nor baye ne kashawu, kane cherta ba tak woshkeegi. Leave it Brother.

Many of us (including myself of course) do not know the basics of our language let alone the complexity of our culture ... Just my opinion; those topics are unique to us, and it should be made apparent to visitors and new members that this is no other forum but one where they can actually learn about us - who we are, what our values/beliefs are, our culture, our food et cetraaa. I want to come here, from now on, not only to pass some time, but actually learn. And I hope we can all help each other do so. My intentions are not to disappoint.

[Roshina]

I JUST saw this thread, and I think it's a very important one.

I completely agree, Mesbah (though, now, I think forum members have contributed a lot to the Pashtun Culture and Pashto language sections now). Still, we need to continue encouraging our folks, especially those who are currently in Pashtunkhwa/Afghanistan, to offer whatever they can to us about our culture and language. Sahar Magazine, a monthly online Pashtun publication produced and edited by Azra Nafees, has a section dedicated entirely to Pashtun culture. So, one issue was on Pashtun musical instruments, another on Pashtun games, another on Pashtun attire, and so on. What I can do is each month, I'll post parts of it here with Azra's permission so that we can have it available in a non-PDF form here on PashtunForums.

I would also encourage the youth to visit the culture/language sections more often, especially those who are living abroad.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention, Mesbah!

[Roshina]

^This thread was 1 month ago. THINGS CHANGED ALOT NOW.

I can man up and say PF has A LOT to offer now.

Visit the literature section.
visit the culture section.
visit the history section.

TONS of Books and good informations.

We have poets here now like Feroz Afridi ,Yusufzai Pashtun.

and we have u.

so kalar kshana.

Yes, I agree that it's progressed to a laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarge extent now -- and I said that as well, lewani maama, lol. Kho as I pointed out, let's encourage Pukhtun youth abroad to visit those threads more often and those who live in Pukhtunkhwa/Afghanistan to contribute more as well. I mean, we could post on Pashtun manners (e.g., how to be hospitable to our guests, or how to behave in front of our elders). I mean, I think such questions are important to receive answers to for those of us who don't live in a Pukhtun society.

[Roshina]

initiate it. raise the bar.

Girls have a lot of friends. Girls are more into the rhythm of your culture.

tell ur friends to join and post good stuff.

Thanks for the idea, Shomley :D!

[Badlun]

Zama Khayal dy posting in english is better because I couldn't understand some of the members pashto.
Not many members are active now.

For God sake dont make Pashto a horrible language that even Pashtuns now avoid to use it among themselves.This dialect and accent issue is very superficial. Its just mainly the matter of two letters khin/shin and ge/je and few geosynonyms and knowing the pure Pashto words and Pashto technical terminology. Once we avoid using English, Dari and Urdu words in Pashto,all Pashtuns will have similar vocabulary.

I once again suggest that here should be a Pure Pashto Section where members can write only in Pashto or romanized Pashto among themselves while in other sections English may be used for those who dont understand Pashto so far.